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Who is out of contract

Post by cally611 » Mon May 23, 2022 1:41 pm

Keep hearing we have 10 players out of contract does anybody know who they all are🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿😇

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Mon May 23, 2022 1:43 pm

Stephens
Bardsley
Cork
Vydra
Mee
Tarks
Pieters
Lennon
Barnes

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by jedi_master » Mon May 23, 2022 1:43 pm

Cork (although, rumoured to have renewed)
Barnes
Pieters
Mee
Tarky
Vydra
Bardsley
Lennon

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Falcon » Mon May 23, 2022 1:43 pm

There's this great website called Up The Clarets, that could help you there...

https://www.uptheclarets.com/players/squad-list
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by SalouClaret » Mon May 23, 2022 1:50 pm

Falcon wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 1:43 pm
There's this great website called Up The Clarets, that could help you there...

https://www.uptheclarets.com/players/squad-list

Funnily enough, people ask questions on a messageboard. No need for the sarcy comments, not the first from you today :D

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by bf2k » Mon May 23, 2022 1:57 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 1:50 pm
Funnily enough, people ask questions on a messageboard. No need for the sarcy comments, not the first from you today :D
There is because believe it or not sarcasm can be a little bit funny.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by claretburns » Mon May 23, 2022 1:59 pm

Stephens - Go
Bardsley - Go
Cork - Keep
Vydra - Keep
Mee - Keep
Tarks - Go (Would keep but no chance)
Pieters - Keep
Lennon - Keep
Barnes - Keep

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by SalouClaret » Mon May 23, 2022 2:00 pm

bf2k wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 1:57 pm
There is because believe it or not sarcasm can be a little bit funny.
Aye I'm howling.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by bf2k » Mon May 23, 2022 2:02 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:00 pm
Aye I'm howling.
See...it's funny

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by bfcmik » Mon May 23, 2022 2:06 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:00 pm
Aye I'm howling.
Complain about people using sarcasm then gives a sarcastic reply???

:shock: :? :lol: :lol:
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Post by Herts Clarets » Mon May 23, 2022 2:07 pm

Stephens - Go. He has been a worse signing than anyone predicted, which is going some.
Bardsley - Go
Cork - Keep, as he has signed a 1 year extension
Vydra - Go, we can't afford to carry a player with an ACL injury
Mee - Keep
Tarks - Go, only because the slimmest chance of him staying disappeared yesterday
Pieters - Keep
Lennon - Go
Barnes - Go

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by onewillieirvine » Mon May 23, 2022 2:45 pm

Are we expecting a manager to be in place, before any decisions are made on our OOC players ?

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Blakesboots » Mon May 23, 2022 2:46 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:07 pm
Stephens - Go. He has been a worse signing than anyone predicted, which is going some.
Bardsley - Go
Cork - Keep, as he has signed a 1 year extension
Vydra - Go, we can't afford to carry a player with an ACL injury
Mee - Keep
Tarks - Go, only because the slimmest chance of him staying disappeared yesterday
Pieters - Keep
Lennon - Go
Barnes - Go
Just picking up on the Vydra comment; no hate but it points as to why footballers are focused on getting the best deal for themselves regardless of sentiment to a club.

I personally feel we have a duty of care to Vydra to support him with his injury and keep him and his family safe whilst he goes through rehab regardless of the contract situation. That’s just the right way to go about the world.
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Pickles » Mon May 23, 2022 2:47 pm

onewillieirvine wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:45 pm
Are we expecting a manager to be in place, before any decisions are made on our OOC players ?
No because Rodriguez signed a couple of weeks ago.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by RVclaret » Mon May 23, 2022 2:48 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:46 pm
Just picking up on the Vydra comment; no hate but it points as to why footballers are focused on getting the best deal for themselves regardless of sentiment to a club.

I personally feel we have a duty of care to Vydra to support him with his injury and keep him and his family safe whilst he goes through rehab regardless of the contract situation. That’s just the right way to go about the world.
Agree with this. Vydra would also be a very good asset in the Championship. Will probably be fit by the time the winter break for the World Cup is over?

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by onewillieirvine » Mon May 23, 2022 2:51 pm

Yes I know Jay Rod is under contract now I was meaning our current OOC players. I can't believe the club would make these decisions without somebody in place........ but then again !

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Andreshotboots » Mon May 23, 2022 2:57 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:07 pm
Stephens - Go. He has been a worse signing than anyone predicted, which is going some.
Bardsley - Go
Cork - Keep, as he has signed a 1 year extension
Vydra - Go, we can't afford to carry a player with an ACL injury
Mee - Keep
Tarks - Go, only because the slimmest chance of him staying disappeared yesterday
Pieters - Keep
Lennon - Go
Barnes - Go
Saw a very funny thing on social media yesterday. A clarets fan who is a wheelchair user and watches from the disabled facilities said “ if I invade the pitch after the final whistle I’ll have spent more time on it than Dale Stephens” 😀
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Herts Clarets » Mon May 23, 2022 2:57 pm

onewillieirvine wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:51 pm
Yes I know Jay Rod is under contract now I was meaning our current OOC players. I can't believe the club would make these decisions without somebody in place........ but then again !
A comment made by CT last week - there is only one person who makes decisions at the club.....

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by onewillieirvine » Mon May 23, 2022 3:00 pm

Thanks Herts, Beggars belief should that be case, it really does.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by jrgbfc » Mon May 23, 2022 3:10 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:46 pm
Just picking up on the Vydra comment; no hate but it points as to why footballers are focused on getting the best deal for themselves regardless of sentiment to a club.

I personally feel we have a duty of care to Vydra to support him with his injury and keep him and his family safe whilst he goes through rehab regardless of the contract situation. That’s just the right way to go about the world.
By all means support Vydra and let him use our facilities to get fit, not sure we should be offering him a new deal though.
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Blakesboots » Mon May 23, 2022 3:20 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 3:10 pm
By all means support Vydra and let him use our facilities to get fit, not sure we should be offering him a new deal though.
I think we are morally obligated to and it’s the right thing to do. Not saying it’s a multi year deal, it might only run alongside his rehab at a reduced rate.

I think it’ll be a contractual norm in the coming years to take care of injured players rather than them having to use insurance schemes.

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Post by RVclaret » Mon May 23, 2022 3:24 pm

Athletic article today from Andy Jones suggested we have been in contact with Vydra regarding a new contract.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by jedi_master » Mon May 23, 2022 3:27 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 3:24 pm
Athletic article today from Andy Jones suggested we have been in contact with Vydra regarding a new contract.
The thing with his injury is that he could (quite easily) miss the entirety of next season as some have, he also might come back half the player like Brady did etc. It's a gamble from the club but he is worth the risk as he is a proven quantity in the Championship and what a huge boost it might be to (potentially) get a player like Vydra for 'free' in January/February next year when we are hopefully in pursuit of promotion.

Deal needs to be heavily weighted on a low salary plus rehab until he is fit, and then a sensible wage after that.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by elwaclaret » Mon May 23, 2022 3:34 pm

Stephens - Go. He’s had his last payday, sadly it was a semi-retirement scheme, with no ambition from either side.
Bardsley - Another twelve month deal.
Vydra - show him some loyalty another 2 years (on newly negotiated terms). Get him fit and he’ll be a mainstay under a manager who appreciates him.
Mee - Keep - 2 year deal and a place in the backroom
Tarks - out of our control
Pieters - Keep - along with Beardsley still our best defending full backs
Lennon - a little cameo had me thinking we’d see the best of him finally, but faded as quick as it arrived. No offer
Barnes - Think I’d look if was interested in another season. Against Championship defenders I can see his experience pulling him through.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Somethingfishy » Mon May 23, 2022 3:46 pm

Mee, Pieters and Vydra are the only ones I'd keep. Cork yes as a squad player and good experienced cover.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by tiger76 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:46 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 3:34 pm
Stephens - Go. He’s had his last payday, sadly it was a semi-retirement scheme, with no ambition from either side.
Bardsley - Another twelve month deal.
Vydra - show him some loyalty another 2 years (on newly negotiated terms). Get him fit and he’ll be a mainstay under a manager who appreciates him.
Mee - Keep - 2 year deal and a place in the backroom
Tarks - out of our control
Pieters - Keep - along with Beardsley still our best defending full backs
Lennon - a little cameo had me thinking we’d see the best of him finally, but faded as quick as it arrived. No offer
Barnes - Think I’d look if was interested in another season. Against Championship defenders I can see his experience pulling him through.
Why would we keep Bardsley when we've got Lowton and Roberts as right backs, surely if funds are tight we can't afford the luxury of 3 right backs.

Mee & Pieters I'd keep if we can agree reduced terms, Barnes not sure about, especially now Jay has extended, however I guess it depends whether we sell our other forwards, I can certainly see Cornet being snapped up, Weghorst I don't know, unless a European club takes an interest due to his scoring exploits in Germany.

The others can go for me although Vydra is a tricky one, yes he can score goals in the Champ, but until we know how long his injury will keep him out for I'd be wary of offering him along term deal, harsh as that sounds we aren't made of money, and harsh choices will have to made, it's partly due to continually extending contracts of ageing and injury prone players we're now in this pickle, Brady and JBG immediately spring to mind, and assuming we're going to have a smaller squad next season, then can we afford to carry passengers.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by elwaclaret » Mon May 23, 2022 3:51 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 3:46 pm
Why would we keep Bardsley when we've got Lowton and Roberts as right backs, surely if funds are tight we can't afford the luxury of 3 right backs.

Mee & Pieters I'd keep if we can agree reduced terms, Barnes not sure about, especially now Jay has extended, however I guess it depends whether we sell our other forwards, I can certainly see Cornet being snapped up, Weghorst I don't know, unless a European club takes an interest due to his scoring exploits in Germany.

The others can go for me although Vydra is a tricky one, yes he can score goals in the Champ, but until we know how long his injury will keep him out for I'd be wary of offering him along term deal, harsh as that sounds we aren't made of money, and harsh choices will have to made, it's partly due to continually extending contracts of ageing and injury prone players we're now in this pickle, Brady and JBG immediately spring to mind, and assuming we're going to have a smaller squad next season, then can we afford to carry passengers.
Bardsley - because I believe the first job of a full back is to defend… Beardsley is a better defender than Lawton or Roberts; though I accept they offer more going forward.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by mdd2 » Mon May 23, 2022 4:45 pm

According to CT's list
Stephens 2022
Bardsley 2022
Cork 2022+
Vydra 2022
Mee 2022
Tarks 2022
Pieters 2022
Lennon 2022
Barnes 2022+
So just 7 plus 3 who may go if we do not exercise the option of another 12 months

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Dodobdobodobo » Mon May 23, 2022 6:01 pm

Stephens - Go
Bardsley - Keep if on coaching staff- otherwise Go
Cork - Go
Vydra - Keep
Mee - Keep
Tarks - Go
Pieters - Keep
Lennon - Go
Barnes - Go

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Post by Long Time Lurker » Mon May 23, 2022 6:05 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 3:20 pm
I think we are morally obligated to and it’s the right thing to do. Not saying it’s a multi year deal, it might only run alongside his rehab at a reduced rate.

I think it’ll be a contractual norm in the coming years to take care of injured players rather than them having to use insurance schemes.
The club has just been financially knee capped by relegation. In financial terms it has just taken a big hit. Taking that into account, should all of the players feel morally obligated to play a full season in the Championship for minimum wage contracts to help the clubs financial position.

I don't think anybody would expect them to do that.

Had Vydra not been injured can we say for certain that he would not have simply walked away at the end of this season and signed a free transfer contact with another team. I doubt it.

In both scenarios I would expect the players to put their families first and the club second. In relation to Vydras ACL, football is a business and things like private health insurance exists to cover things like professional sports injuries.

I can understand the club wanting to place all of our medical facilities and staff at his disposal ( those that our new owners haven't pushed out of the door or might push out of the door as we cut our coat according to our cloth ), but paying him a healing wage doesn't strike me as a moral imperative.

That money could be put to better use protecting the livelihoods of non playing members of staff at the club. How many regular salaries would his yearly wage cover ?

So, nothing against Vydra, I wish him the best and I wish we had played him a lot more while he was under contract with us, but I don't think we are morally obligated to him. Any decision regarding his contract should be made in line with what we consider his future value to the club is.

If we are going down the virtue road, given the severity of our financial knee capping, do you think that Pace is morally obligated to ease our pain and unease by giving us a full and detailed account of our financial position ?

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon May 23, 2022 6:12 pm

Stephens - Go
Bardsley - Go
Cork - Think he’s taken an option for an extra year.
Vydra - Go (Only because he may never be what he was)
Mee - Keep
Tarks - Go
Pieters - Go
Lennon - Go
Barnes - Go

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Post by leelad » Mon May 23, 2022 6:41 pm

Cork appears to have signed for another year. Am ok with that.
As for the rest, would keep Mee (would act as a good link between players and the new mgt team and would form a good partnership with Collins) & Pieters (utility player). The remaining six players can go for me.
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Post by Long Time Lurker » Mon May 23, 2022 6:46 pm

If we keep everyone then we won't have any space in the squad for the younger replacement players that ALK envision us signing. So slots in the team have to be opened up for potential new arrivals. The new arrivals could also account for lower wages than our veterans might ask for and playing out on the pitch week in and week out could stimulate some value increases.

The upshot is that we will need to make space for new incomings. Not addressing it now is just kicking the can further down the road. The danger is that we might release players and then fail to sign any suitable replacements. So a modicum of restraint is needed.


Stephens - Go. Rarely played, didn't look up to it when he did and he has a sh*t singing voice - which he demonstrated when Brighton got promoted.

Bardsley - Depends on what we have in mind for the right wing slot and how some other things play out. If we fail to sign anyone then Roberts could play there in which case we would need more than one right back. Collins could cover, but he might be sold. Bardsley has character which will be important and TV experience which might be a revenue stream we could look at - following some youths through the Academy would be a new spin on the football documentary. One of the most famous American sports documentaries from yesteryear is Hoop Dreams about two college basketball players, something similar might help to promote the club.

Cork - Happy we have him for another year if it is true. I so wanted his shot in the last game to go in, and that desire wasn't just because it would have helped us to avoid relegation. Westwood and Brownhil were our first choice midfielders this season. I suspect that was down to them being a bit more attack orientated. However, losing the defensive screen that Cork provides and his ability to slow down the tempo of the game ( which benefits our slow players ) was a big loss. He was a casualty of whoever decided we should play more expansive and expressive football this season and we suffered because of his exclusion.

Vydra - Go. I think he should have been given more of a chance while he was with us. When he was given a chance he had to come in cold and try to influence things which is difficult as a striker. I could see why he might feel a little regretful about his decision to join us. However, he has suffered a nasty injury and we can't afford to carry expensive passengers. Hard as it may sound the decision of a new contract should be based on whether we envision a future for him at the club once he has healed.

Mee - A definite keeper. I don't have to explain my reasoning with this one, I'm sure everyone agrees. However, I think another club will try to lure him away and if they can offer him and his family a better financial future I hope he grabs it.

Tarks - Already gone in my books and I don't begrudge him a lucrative new move. He has been fantastic for us in every regard.

Pieters - I would say go. Seems like a great character, but he never convinced me as a Taylor replacement. Taylor has the lung busting physicality to range the full length of the pitch. With Pieters it was defend and push forward to just past the centre line or play as a midfielder and cover stick to the centre third. Asking him to cover the full pitch caused us problems. If Taylor leaves I would say keep, but left back might be a place that we can squeeze in a new signing.

Lennon - Again, depends what happens with other players like Cornet and McNeill. I still think that he has quite a few game in his legs and I can see us struggling to bring in quality wingers. We can't rely on JBG being fit so I would say keep.

Barnes - This is the hardest one for me. My heart says stay, but my head say go. Finding a balance between the two I doubt we can afford to buy any new strikers and we will need more than Jay and Wout. Cornet isn't a striker and we really need to wake up to that fact if he isn't sold. So Barnes could be a third option. However, given the ages of Wout and Jay I would rather see some youth gathered around the slot. I'm sad to say it, but I think we had two veteran striker slots to cover and Jay beat Barnes with his pen. If I'm being brutally honest I think Jay is the better partner for Wout - providing Wout is on the left side ( with Mc Neill if he isn't sold ) and Jay on the right. I can see another team picking up Barnes as well.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Berne Leigh » Mon May 23, 2022 7:01 pm

I would keep Cork, Pieters, Mee and possibly Barnes. He could still boss Championship level defenders so unless we can sign someone better he could do a job.

Vydra, Stephens Bardsley can all go.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by NRC » Mon May 23, 2022 7:12 pm

I hope these are offered new contracts
Cork (rumored)
Pieters
Mee

Is Bardsley up for coaching and would we have him as that?
interesting one on Vydra in terms the question of duty of care...

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by ClaretTony » Mon May 23, 2022 8:22 pm

cally611 wrote:
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Keep hearing we have 10 players out of contract does anybody know who they all are🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿😇
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by ClaretTony » Mon May 23, 2022 8:22 pm

NRC wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 7:12 pm
I hope these are offered new contracts
Cork (rumored)
Pieters
Mee

Is Bardsley up for coaching and would we have him as that?
interesting one on Vydra in terms the question of duty of care...
I think we are obliged to provide the rehab for Vydra
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by boatshed bill » Mon May 23, 2022 9:00 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 6:05 pm




. In relation to Vydras ACL, football is a business and things like private health insurance exists to cover things like professional sports injuries.

I can understand the club wanting to place all of our medical facilities and staff at his disposal ( those that our new owners haven't pushed out of the door or might push out of the door as we cut our coat according to our cloth ), but paying him a healing wage doesn't strike me as a moral imperative.

That money could be put to better use protecting the livelihoods of non playing members of staff at the club. How many regular salaries would his yearly wage cover ?

So, nothing against Vydra, I wish him the best and I wish we had played him a lot more while he was under contract with us, but I don't think we are morally obligated to him. Any decision regarding his contract should be made in line with what we consider his future value to the club is.

Interesting points.
I would imagine Vydra has his own insurance.
I also imagine the club has insurance on all its players, so possibly no expense if he was to stay under some sort of deal.
unless, of course, his insurance runs with, and ends with his old contract.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by burnmark » Mon May 23, 2022 9:05 pm

No real surprise but Bardsley is on his way.
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by tiger76 » Mon May 23, 2022 9:05 pm

So that's Cork and Jay Rod extended, Bardsley and Tarks both going, TBF one thing we can't criticise AP for is lingering over contracts, he's been pretty decisive so far and in double quick time as well, in spite of us still lacking a permanent manager.

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by CoolClaret » Mon May 23, 2022 9:05 pm

burnmark wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 9:05 pm
No real surprise but Bardsley is on his way.
Looks like Pieters is as well

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Blakesboots » Wed May 25, 2022 6:27 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:46 pm
Just picking up on the Vydra comment; no hate but it points as to why footballers are focused on getting the best deal for themselves regardless of sentiment to a club.

I personally feel we have a duty of care to Vydra to support him with his injury and keep him and his family safe whilst he goes through rehab regardless of the contract situation. That’s just the right way to go about the world.
Glad it looks like we’re doing the right thing with Vyds. Top bloke and I’m happy he’s likely to be a claret next season!

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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by DCWat » Wed May 25, 2022 6:29 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:27 pm
Glad it looks like we’re doing the right thing with Vyds. Top bloke and I’m happy he’s likely to be a claret next season!
Is there someone working for Burnley that you don’t know?
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed May 25, 2022 6:36 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 1:50 pm
Funnily enough, people ask questions on a messageboard. No need for the sarcy comments, not the first from you today :D
Let him off and cut him some slack, he had a bad weekend! 😁
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed May 25, 2022 6:41 pm

I wonder how much players like Barnes and Cork tried against Newcastle knowing they were more likely to get a new contract if we went down.

One for the conspiracy idiots to ponder alongside some of their other ridiculous theories
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by ClaretTony » Wed May 25, 2022 6:47 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 3:10 pm
By all means support Vydra and let him use our facilities to get fit, not sure we should be offering him a new deal though.
I’ve posted it previously. We have to support him through his rehab but that just be continuing to pay him as per his existing contract and providing the rehab. A new deal is something different.
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Blakesboots » Wed May 25, 2022 7:24 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:29 pm
Is there someone working for Burnley that you don’t know?
I’m sure there is someone out there.
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Re: Who is out of contract

Post by Blondeclaret » Wed May 25, 2022 8:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 6:47 pm
I’ve posted it previously. We have to support him through his rehab but that just be continuing to pay him as per his existing contract and providing the rehab. A new deal is something different.
I would agree entirely with your comments CT, that is the standard procedure in this situation as I am aware.

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