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Post by TsarBomba » Tue May 24, 2022 8:27 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 7:33 am
Simon jones, Alex crook etc…

The usual people. Talksport have been pretty spot on about us since the takeover. Especially Jordan, looks like everything he said he is coming to realisation.
You think Talksport have it spot on, because it fits with your narrative.

We’ve just been relegated, of course any media article is going to portray difficulty ahead. That would be the case if it was ALK or Garlick at the helm. There would be cost cutting regardless. Of course, the added concern is we are now laden with debt.

We get your opinion on Pace/ALK, and you’re more than entitled to it, but I’m just sick and tired of reading negativity to the point where it feels some of our fans are revelling in this. Like they wanted us to be relegated.

Personally, I’m very concerned about our academy potentially going down to Cat 2. I’ve so far remained patient with Pace because I like to look at the bigger picture at what hand he was dealt upon his arrival, and ultimately the inevitability of relegation at some point.

But if we lose Cat 1, then even I will start to seriously question what we are doing.

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Post by dandeclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 8:29 am

What hand he was dealt? It’s like looking at a black Jack hand before you decide to pay, not some lucky bag.

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Post by daveisaclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 8:33 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:27 am

We get your opinion on Pace/ALK, and you’re more than entitled to it, but I’m just sick and tired of reading negativity to the point where it feels some of our fans are revelling in this. Like they wanted us to be relegated.
Sorry, but the answer is to stop reading it. Especially if you're feeling something as ridiculous as that about it.

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Post by TsarBomba » Tue May 24, 2022 8:37 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:29 am
What hand he was dealt? It’s like looking at a black Jack hand before you decide to pay, not some lucky bag.
Largely, a playing squad needing a complete and long overdue overhaul for a start, and a non-existent foreign scouting system, after 4/5 years of PL money, that has made that process all the more harder to undertake.

That process was underway, but years of neglect left us with too much ground to make up.

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Post by KRBFC » Tue May 24, 2022 8:44 am

matucana wrote:
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According to some football journalists yesterday he would be spending today with his Leeds counterpart at an emergency meeting of the PL in London.
As regards the manager role I would expect that a head coach will be sought. AiScout will identify targets and upon acquisition it will be the coach's responsibility to integrate them into the football squad training regime and tactics.
AiScout identify targets? So we're signing random people off the street who can do kickups on an app?

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Post by joey13 » Tue May 24, 2022 8:48 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:27 am
You think Talksport have it spot on, because it fits with your narrative.

We’ve just been relegated, of course any media article is going to portray difficulty ahead. That would be the case if it was ALK or Garlick at the helm. There would be cost cutting regardless. Of course, the added concern is we are now laden with debt.

We get your opinion on Pace/ALK, and you’re more than entitled to it, but I’m just sick and tired of reading negativity to the point where it feels some of our fans are revelling in this. Like they wanted us to be relegated.

Personally, I’m very concerned about our academy potentially going down to Cat 2. I’ve so far remained patient with Pace because I like to look at the bigger picture at what hand he was dealt upon his arrival, and ultimately the inevitability of relegation at some point.

But if we lose Cat 1, then even I will start to seriously question what we are doing.
Fans aren’t revelling in it , they are rightly concerned.
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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 8:50 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:27 am
You think Talksport have it spot on, because it fits with your narrative.

We’ve just been relegated, of course any media article is going to portray difficulty ahead. That would be the case if it was ALK or Garlick at the helm. There would be cost cutting regardless. Of course, the added concern is we are now laden with debt.

We get your opinion on Pace/ALK, and you’re more than entitled to it, but I’m just sick and tired of reading negativity to the point where it feels some of our fans are revelling in this. Like they wanted us to be relegated.

Personally, I’m very concerned about our academy potentially going down to Cat 2. I’ve so far remained patient with Pace because I like to look at the bigger picture at what hand he was dealt upon his arrival, and ultimately the inevitability of relegation at some point.

But if we lose Cat 1, then even I will start to seriously question what we are doing.
No I think Talksport are right because to date they have been.

Especially Simon Jordan.

Why would any fan revel in this? All I see is pages of ****** off fans

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Post by RVclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 8:51 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:48 am
Fans aren’t revelling in it , they are rightly concerned.
There is concern, which is fine and normal, then there’s giving Talksport the time of day with their click bait doomsday, Burnley will be the next Sunderland in league One s****.

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Post by RVclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 8:51 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:50 am
No I think Talksport are right because to date they have been.

Especially Simon Jordan.

Why would any fan revel in this? All I see is pages of ****** off fans
What exactly has Jordan been so right about? Please tell.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 8:52 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 7:35 am
So when you said at least 4 or 5 people talking about it you’ve named 2 and 1 is a sports reporter. No idea who Simon Jones is but if you mean Jordan isn’t he in later in the day ? If you did mean Jordan you’ve gone from claiming at least 4-5 to now naming 1 and an etc
Funnily enough I couldn’t be bothered to troll through Twitter posts to find the links.

The links were from yesterdays day on Talksport.

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Post by jedi_master » Tue May 24, 2022 8:53 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:37 am
Largely, a playing squad needing a complete and long overdue overhaul for a start, and a non-existent foreign scouting system, after 4/5 years of PL money, that has made that process all the more harder to undertake.

That process was underway, but years of neglect left us with too much ground to make up.
The manner which Alan Pace elected to ‘buy’ our club was going to prevent us from ever being able to make that ground up though. I fully agree with you that Garlick’s reluctance to spend money started this journey, but Pace has finished it off. Remember, as per Alan Pace himself, we were signing absolutely nobody in January were it not for Newcastle buying Chris Wood.

Pace and Garlick are both equally culpable for the Armageddon that has hit us in my book. One for fattening the goose ready for the ‘sale’ of the century for his own bank balance, and the other for going ahead with it knowing that it put our club at terminal risk should we be relegated (which we were always going to be, one day).
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Post by Herts Clarets » Tue May 24, 2022 9:00 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:37 am
Largely, a playing squad needing a complete and long overdue overhaul for a start, and a non-existent foreign scouting system, after 4/5 years of PL money, that has made that process all the more harder to undertake.

That process was underway, but years of neglect left us with too much ground to make up.
Surely if you are purchasing a business valued at well north of £100m, especially one that is very much run under the glare of national media, due diligence and a basic SWOT analysis would identify an ageing squad, out of contract players, limited saleable assets, non-existent foreign scouting system and a reluctance of the current owners to invest in the playing squad as major weaknesses. If they did and then bought anyway, you have to question their judgement, if they didn't do this, then they are not the businessmen we are led to believe have bought our club.

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Post by Nori1958 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:00 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:51 am
What exactly has Jordan been so right about? Please tell.
He showed his ignorance when he was spouting about the Wood transfer, as did Matterface, as did Crook, as did Bent etc etc......

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Post by TsarBomba » Tue May 24, 2022 9:05 am

jedi_master wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:53 am
The manner which Alan Pace elected to ‘buy’ our club was going to prevent us from ever being able to make that ground up though. I fully agree with you that Garlick’s reluctance to spend money started this journey, but Pace has finished it off. Remember, as per Alan Pace himself, we were signing absolutely nobody in January were it not for Newcastle buying Chris Wood.

Pace and Garlick are both equally culpable for the Armageddon that has hit us in my book. One for fattening the goose ready for the ‘sale’ of the century for his own bank balance, and the other for going ahead with it knowing that it put our club at terminal risk should we be relegated (which we were always going to be, one day).
Out of half a dozen reasons we’ve gone down, Pace has absolutely played a part. It just depends where you sit in that argument.

The failure to invest in the squad, certainly in those 1- 2 years that the takeover was going through, has ultimately done for us. Criminal, really.

The transfers since Pace/ALK have come in suggest that the process to invigorate the squad was identified and underway.

Only a Newcastle style with huge sums of money invested was ever likely going to save us, unfortunately.

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Post by KRBFC » Tue May 24, 2022 9:05 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:51 am
There is concern, which is fine and normal, then there’s giving Talksport the time of day with their click bait doomsday, Burnley will be the next Sunderland in league One s****.
I'm surprised you still haven't grasped the seriousness of our financial position.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:07 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:52 am
Funnily enough I couldn’t be bothered to troll through Twitter posts to find the links.

The links were from yesterdays day on Talksport.

Ahh so when you said what you did you were lying.

There's a shock

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Post by Sleeping Cat » Tue May 24, 2022 9:13 am

I don't personally feel Pace and Co need to come out and say anything, just focus on the task at hand and communicate when they need to in line with actions and announcements. However, if you promise to openly engage and maintain an open dialogue on social media with fans then they will have an expectation this is maintained, even when they have more difficult questions to be answered and not just when there's an opportunity for easy PR.

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Post by joey13 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:25 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 8:51 am
There is concern, which is fine and normal, then there’s giving Talksport the time of day with their click bait doomsday, Burnley will be the next Sunderland in league One s****.
Wake up , there’s a huge possibility this will happen .
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Post by TsarBomba » Tue May 24, 2022 9:28 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:25 am
Wake up , there’s a huge possibility this will happen .
And also a huge possibility that we can go straight back up again?

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Post by joey13 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:31 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:28 am
And also a huge possibility that we can go straight back up again?
Really :roll:

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Post by RVclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 9:35 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:25 am
Wake up , there’s a huge possibility this will happen .
Sunderland had a far larger wage bill (Jack Rodwell on circa 70k a week in the Champ) and almost double the size of debt (110m). They also had a crap squad with a really weak core. Their managerial appointments were poor and they got the championship recruitment completely wrong.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:38 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:31 am
Really :roll:

What odds are you prepared to offer on this not happening ?

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Post by joey13 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:39 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:35 am
Sunderland had a far larger wage bill (Jack Rodwell on circa 70k a week in the Champ) and almost double the size of debt (110m). They also had a crap squad with a really weak core. Their managerial appointments were poor and they got the championship recruitment completely wrong.
And how do you know that a clueless snake oil salesman will do any better based on what he’s done so far .

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Post by joey13 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:41 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:38 am
What odds are you prepared to offer on this not happening ?
What are the odds of you waking up and facing up to the realities

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:43 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:41 am
What are the odds of you waking up and facing up to the realities
You're not then ? Ok

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Post by Sleeping Cat » Tue May 24, 2022 9:46 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:35 am
Sunderland had a far larger wage bill (Jack Rodwell on circa 70k a week in the Champ) and almost double the size of debt (110m). They also had a crap squad with a really weak core. Their managerial appointments were poor and they got the championship recruitment completely wrong.
Sunderland also had a larger commercial revenue beyond TV money. It's all relative. Yes they might have had a bigger wage bill but the % wages to turnover will be similar (ours was at 80% according to Swiss Ramble recently).

The fact we had taken out a bridging loan only 1 month ago, secured against a future transfer instalment (for Chris Wood) BEFORE we were relegated should have everyone worried, because that was before we lost just shy of 50% of our TV revenue AND triggered a "significant loan repayment" on the MSD loan.

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Post by RVclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 9:46 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:39 am
And how do you know that a clueless snake oil salesman will do any better based on what he’s done so far .
That’s your description of him, not mine, which of course you are entitled to. I believe he absolutely wants to move the club forward, from recruitment to being linked with the likes of Kompany. It’s clear to me there is a strategy there but it also isn’t easy to execute. We will know more from the managerial appointment I think.

But in comparison to Sunderlands situation, surely you can see several key differences? Their record signing, Ndong, was pictured on beaches while he was meant to be training while another lad they signed from Chelsea also didn’t turn up. They had deep squad issues which I don’t think we have, particularly if we retain our core (Mee, Cork, Jay).

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Post by RVclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 9:48 am

Sleeping Cat wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:46 am
Sunderland also had a larger commercial revenue beyond TV money. It's all relative. Yes they might have had a bigger wage bill but the % wages to turnover will be similar (ours was at 80% according to Swiss Ramble recently).

The fact we had taken out a bridging loan only 1 month ago, secured against a future transfer instalment (for Chris Wood) BEFORE we were relegated should have everyone worried, because that was before we lost just shy of 50% of our TV revenue AND triggered a "significant loan repayment" on the MSD loan.
It’s been discussed elsewhere but that bridging loan could have been good risk management, or it could have been cash flow issues, we don’t know.

Sunderland’s wage bill to revenue in the Champ was still ridiculously high and they made two p*** poor appointments in Grayson / Coleman.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:49 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:07 am
Ahh so when you said what you did you were lying.

There's a shock
No not at all.

I saw five different people talk about Burnley. Next time il make sure to get my pen and paper out so I can reference exactly who was talking about us.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:51 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:49 am
No not at all.

I saw five different people talk about Burnley. Next time il make sure to get my pen and paper out so I can reference exactly who was talking about us.

Always a good idea to make sure you know who you are listening to, it helps you avoid listening to idiots and getting things wrong.

You probably heard rather than saw if they were on the radio.

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Post by dsr » Tue May 24, 2022 9:51 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:48 am
It’s been discussed elsewhere but that bridging loan could have been good risk management, or it could have been cash flow issues, we don’t know.

Sunderland’s wage bill to revenue in the Champ was still ridiculously high and they made two p*** poor appointments in Grayson / Coleman.
It's cash flow issues. Arranging a bridging loan is good risk management, but you don't activate it until you need it. If you have enough money to pay your mortgage instalments but you're worried about redundancies at work, you don't take out a loan just in case.

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Post by Nori1958 » Tue May 24, 2022 9:52 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:49 am
No not at all.

I saw five different people talk about Burnley. Next time il make sure to get my pen and paper out so I can reference exactly who was talking about us.
Might be a good idea if you then refer to what you heard on here, or elsewhere.

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Post by RVclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 9:54 am

dsr wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:51 am
It's cash flow issues. Arranging a bridging loan is good risk management, but you don't activate it until you need it. If you have enough money to pay your mortgage instalments but you're worried about redundancies at work, you don't take out a loan just in case.
Or could it have been to pay 12.5m off the 65m debt upon relegation? (Looking v likely at the time)

It’s possible.

My guess would be to pay off Dyche and his staff.

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Post by Sleeping Cat » Tue May 24, 2022 9:56 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:48 am
It’s been discussed elsewhere but that bridging loan could have been good risk management, or it could have been cash flow issues, we don’t know.

Sunderland’s wage bill to revenue in the Champ was still ridiculously high and they made two p*** poor appointments in Grayson / Coleman.
Well if we were having cash flow issues a month ago, it's going to really bite when the next TV instalment is %50 lower and MSD want their ~30m instalment.

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Post by RVclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 9:58 am

Sleeping Cat wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:56 am
Well if we were having cash flow issues a month ago, it's going to really bite when the next TV instalment is %50 lower and MSD want their ~30m instalment.
45% lower*

It's clear in the accounts that there is an awareness between the two parties that player trading has been used to forecast means of paying off that installment. I'd imagine over the next month we will have a lot of interest in several players and we will be ready to sell.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 10:14 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:51 am
Always a good idea to make sure you know who you are listening to, it helps you avoid listening to idiots and getting things wrong.

You probably heard rather than saw if they were on the radio.
No I saw it, Talksport do vods of key topics.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue May 24, 2022 10:16 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:14 am
No I saw it, Talksport do vods of key topics.
That's worse :D You are looking at people with no idea who they are and accepting their info

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 10:21 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:16 am
That's worse :D You are looking at people with no idea who they are and accepting their info
I don’t understand what you mean? How is that worse?

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Post by DavePTClaret » Tue May 24, 2022 10:22 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:46 am
That’s your description of him, not mine, which of course you are entitled to. I believe he absolutely wants to move the club forward, from recruitment to being linked with the likes of Kompany. It’s clear to me there is a strategy there but it also isn’t easy to execute. We will know more from the managerial appointment I think.

But in comparison to Sunderlands situation, surely you can see several key differences? Their record signing, Ndong, was pictured on beaches while he was meant to be training while another lad they signed from Chelsea also didn’t turn up. They had deep squad issues which I don’t think we have, particularly if we retain our core (Mee, Cork, Jay).
If there was a strategy worthy of the name, it'd be clear to everyone, not just to you.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue May 24, 2022 10:22 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:54 am
Or could it have been to pay 12.5m off the 65m debt upon relegation? (Looking v likely at the time)

It’s possible.

My guess would be to pay off Dyche and his staff.
I agree.

I originally thought something had happened - the rumours of training ground incidents, the odd timing (5 days after the Norwich loss, a couple before a big game), no replacement, etc.

But now I think it was just as it looked and so they’d have needed to pay him off somehow. The timing of taking that loan, 4 months after the sale, is too odd otherwise.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 10:24 am

NewClaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:22 am
I agree.

I originally thought something had happened - the rumours of training ground incidents, the odd timing (5 days after the Norwich loss, a couple before a big game), no replacement, etc.

But now I think it was just as it looked and so they’d have needed to pay him off somehow. The timing of taking that loan, 4 months after the sale, is too odd otherwise.
Would be interesting to see how much was paid to Dyche or will be.

I imagine it’s around the 20m mark?

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Post by dsr » Tue May 24, 2022 10:24 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 9:54 am
Or could it have been to pay 12.5m off the 65m debt upon relegation? (Looking v likely at the time)

It’s possible.

My guess would be to pay off Dyche and his staff.
That's very likely. But whatever the reason, it was because they needed the money now, not because they might need it in future. You don't borrow money until you need it.

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Post by Goddy » Tue May 24, 2022 10:30 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:24 am
Would be interesting to see how much was paid to Dyche or will be.

I imagine it’s around the 20m mark?
I'd be utterly amazed if it was any more than £5m (and I'm assuming he has a contract of £5m per annum.....I have absono idea what he was being paid, by the way).

My point is that a compromise agreement will have been agreed by both parties and I doubt SD will have been offered more than a year's salary. SD could decline that and, literally sit out his contract (on gardening leave) but he wouldn't be able to take any other paid employment in the meantime.

That's why he - and most people - sign such agreements. You get a decent lump sum and then find another job......

No way will SD have received anything near £20m imho

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Post by NewClaret » Tue May 24, 2022 10:32 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:24 am
Would be interesting to see how much was paid to Dyche or will be.

I imagine it’s around the 20m mark?
How do you work £20m out?

I’ll be amazed if Pace signed up to a deal that didn’t have appropriate safeguards for:

- staged payments in event of sacking (a lot of managers get paid of on their original terms, not all in one go)
- underperformance (I.e. time in relegation zone, threat of relegation)

In any event, any performance-related elements of his deal would not be payable.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 10:32 am

Goddy wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:30 am
I'd be utterly amazed if it was any more than £5m (and I'm assuming he has a contract of £5m per annum.....I have absono idea what he was being paid, by the way).

My point is that a compromise agreement will have been agreed by both parties and I doubt SD will have been offered more than a year's salary. SD could decline that and, literally sit out his contract (on gardening leave) but he wouldn't be able to take any other paid employment in the meantime.

That's why he - and most people - sign such agreements. You get a decent lump sum and then find another job......

No way will SD have received anything near £20m imho
Interesting I would be amazed if it was that low. Why would Dyche bother signing the contract he would have been better seeing out his contract and moving on for free

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Post by RVclaret » Tue May 24, 2022 10:33 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:24 am
Would be interesting to see how much was paid to Dyche or will be.

I imagine it’s around the 20m mark?
Highly doubt that. As well, if he gets a new job this summer or soon then we only owe him compensation from sacking date to new job date, I believe?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 10:34 am

NewClaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:32 am
How do you work £20m out?

I’ll be amazed if Pace signed up to a deal that didn’t have appropriate safeguards for:

- staged payments in event of sacking (a lot of managers get paid of on their original terms, not all in one go)
- underperformance (I.e. time in relegation zone, threat of relegation)

In any event, any performance-related elements of his deal would not be payable.
I meant 20m all in. Not one payment.

Just going off his rumoured salary over the length of his contract. If anything I suspect the contract was more in favour of Dyche than Burnley given how Pace backed himself into a corner with the discussions before hand.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 24, 2022 10:35 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:33 am
Highly doubt that. As well, if he gets a new job this summer or soon then we only owe him compensation from sacking date to new job date, I believe?
I’ve heard that mentioned a few times but from what I gather that’s not usually the case. Tariq Panja referenced Mourinhos sacking at United and how he’s apparently still getting money from them to this day.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue May 24, 2022 10:36 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:33 am
Highly doubt that. As well, if he gets a new job this summer or soon then we only owe him compensation from sacking date to new job date, I believe?
It depends on the terms we signed up to. Many agree to pay out the salary terms until new work is found, or a reduced sum up front.

But Newcastles point that we’d pay out his full remaining contract, in full, up front is way off the mark. That or we’re utterly stupid.

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Post by TsarBomba » Tue May 24, 2022 10:53 am

It was discussed on here that there was a clause in Dyche’s contract that in event of him being sacked, he would ‘only’ get 1 year salary compensation- £5M. How anyone would be privy to that info, I don’t know.

Won’t be anything like £20M, though.
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