He had the experience if Mee or Tarkowski playing along side him though
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21 years old and has a lengthy contract. Unless it's north of £30 million, I don't think it's too much to ask for him to give it until the end of this season and if a top 6 Prem club come in for him, allow him to further his career.
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Absolutely agree with this.Top Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:50 amI think we should resist all offers unless he badly wants out.
It is imperative we keep him this season as he Is the lynch pin of our defence and will be a key player in a promotion push
The one thing with the more recent League One signing links (Twine excluded here, who looks an exceptional talent), is that they are not going to be able to sustain a promotion push on their own. Ditto with talented young lads from Prem academies. We desperately need to keep Collins having lost Tarks and Mee if we want to go up.
We have to remember that Collins was a £12m player when we signed him. He can’t be replaced with a £1.6m player!
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£35m for Collins is my expectation. The club can use that money very wisely splitting it between debt and replacements. It’s a fair price in this market.
I use the lad who went to Brighton a couple of years ago from Bristol City for £20m despite being a bit older, having less time on his contract left and having never played internationally or in the Premier League as my metric.
I use the lad who went to Brighton a couple of years ago from Bristol City for £20m despite being a bit older, having less time on his contract left and having never played internationally or in the Premier League as my metric.
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Yep you could also look at Ben White who went to Arsenal last summer for 50m.jedi_master wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:08 am£35m for Collins is my expectation. The club can use that money very wisely splitting it between debt and replacements. It’s a fair price in this market.
I use the lad who went to Brighton a couple of years ago from Bristol City for £20m despite being a bit older, having less time on his contract left and having never played internationally or in the Premier League as my metric.
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Think Collins should be a little patient.Imagine the knowledge he could gain from VK, one of the great defenders of recent times.
The lad is only 21 and could really make a name for himself if he sticks with Burnley for a while longer.The big money will come later.( God when I think what these guys are on a week at Burnley and thats not classed as big money in todays terms)
The lad is only 21 and could really make a name for himself if he sticks with Burnley for a while longer.The big money will come later.( God when I think what these guys are on a week at Burnley and thats not classed as big money in todays terms)
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I’m not sure I buy the argument we should sell any/every player who “wants out”.Top Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:50 amI think we should resist all offers unless he badly wants out.
It is imperative we keep him this season as he Is the lynch pin of our defence and will be a key player in a promotion push
I think with younger players (include Dwight in this, to an extent Cornet), who have a long career ahead of them, if they’re on long-term contracts there’s a reasonable conversation to have where you say: “we know you’d like a move but as a club it’s not in our best interests at the moment. You’re pivotal, please help us get back up and we’ll then be in a position to sanction a move”.
All of them signed long-term deals, which was to their advantage, but at some point you have to play those to our advantage as well. And as professionals they should accept their commitment and crack on.
Collins’ handball changed the game vs Toon, Cornet missed a vital pen and sitter, Dwight had one of his worst seasons for us. Not knocking any of them, but there’s a reasonable alternate view that they owe us a decent season before they’ve earned the right to want out & a next move.
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In all this talk of starting and back up centre halves, why do so many ignore the existence of Kevin Long? He's a fully-fledged international, had had many games at PL level where he's looked more than solid, and his experience will be invaluable amongst these young lads.
Do you honestly think VK is naive enough to think that all of his players, in all positions are all very comfortable on the ball at this level and in his first season here lol?It’s unlikely he’s anywhere near good enough on the ball for a side wanting to control possession.
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Nathan Collins is an investment whose value will only increase in my opinion.
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From the recruitment he is doing, it suggests to me that he is heading in this direction yes.
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How many signings will be unveiled today?
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Just the two I think…
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I'll go with one today, another tomorrow. Spread it out to keep the fans buzzing.
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Regarding Ben Wiles, it’s a little bit underwhelming I thought we would be going after better in such a critical position.
I thought we would have gone into the European market for a more technically gifted player.
I guess we have to trust Kompanys judgement.
I thought we would have gone into the European market for a more technically gifted player.
I guess we have to trust Kompanys judgement.
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This is the rebuild we desperately need. It feels from the noise that this is the start of a long term project..A sustainable way for a club our size to be run...raid L1 , Premier League U23 and Europe for young talent, get 2 seasons out if them sell for big profit, rinse and repeat!
Promotion to Prem will be the same except change L1 for Championship.
As for expected leavers, I could actually see Cornet staying..he was in floods of tears at the end of the Newcastle match and seems to love it here.. obviously depends on who activates his release clause..
McNeil owes us another season, Collins only leaves if north of 35m. Roberts could leave as we have the new kid plus Lowton.
Weghorst gone thank god..
So the next incomings after the defense sorted is all down to who leaves..
Promotion to Prem will be the same except change L1 for Championship.
As for expected leavers, I could actually see Cornet staying..he was in floods of tears at the end of the Newcastle match and seems to love it here.. obviously depends on who activates his release clause..
McNeil owes us another season, Collins only leaves if north of 35m. Roberts could leave as we have the new kid plus Lowton.
Weghorst gone thank god..
So the next incomings after the defense sorted is all down to who leaves..
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Good positive post LJL
You may be right about Cornet. He’s got 4 years left on a pretty hefty contract with us I’d imagine. He may decide to stay on for a season and see what happens.
You may be right about Cornet. He’s got 4 years left on a pretty hefty contract with us I’d imagine. He may decide to stay on for a season and see what happens.
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It's probably been mentioned but cba going back over the thread Tom Hamer been linked £400k rb/cb from Burton.
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I agree about Cornet stopping and just because someone activates the 17.5m release doesn't mean he will go its up to Cornet, let's say its Forest he may well turn them down, but if its Villa or Newcastle etc he'd go but With his injury time out what seemed to be every other game I can't see one of the big hitters taking a chance at this moment because he looks very softWinstonswhite wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:04 amGood positive post LJL
You may be right about Cornet. He’s got 4 years left on a pretty hefty contract with us I’d imagine. He may decide to stay on for a season and see what happens.
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Cornet will be gone.
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I expect if the 17.5 is met, he'll go and double his wage. The thing is, I think it'll be very late in the window so hope we've already got enough players in by then.ClaretMov wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:17 amI agree about Cornet stopping and just because someone activates the 17.5m release doesn't mean he will go its up to Cornet, let's say its Forest he may well turn them down, but if its Villa or Newcastle etc he'd go but With his injury time out what seemed to be every other game I can't see one of the big hitters taking a chance at this moment because he looks very soft
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Do you honestly think VK is naive enough to think that all of his players, in all positions are all very comfortable on the ball at this level and in his first season here lol?
Yes heading in that direction but it is also obvious that since AP came in, he has put a team and technology together to play a large part in who we sign. Yes, VK will have some input and will have put some names into the hat but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that we now have a team who also chooses what players we go after and is the model going forward.From the recruitment he is doing, it suggests to me that he is heading in this direction yes
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I would be amazed if Kompany has personally identified Ben Wiles as someone he wants to sign. He went to great lengths in his interview to explain and praise the work that has gone on at the club behind the scenes monitoring and identifying players.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:53 amRegarding Ben Wiles, it’s a little bit underwhelming I thought we would be going after better in such a critical position.
I thought we would have gone into the European market for a more technically gifted player.
I guess we have to trust Kompanys judgement.
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He's been mentioned yes, though how far up the priority list of CB targets he is who knows, sounds like the City youngsters, and the McNally lad from Oxford appear to be our 1st choice options right now, of course these things can quickly change.AwayClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:11 amIt's probably been mentioned but cba going back over the thread Tom Hamer been linked £400k rb/cb from Burton.
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Yeah, the majority of the signings will be Kompany telling the recruitment team what type of player he needs. They'll come to him with a shortlist of players based on data and scouting reports with video footage. Kompany will indicate which ones he likes the look of and then the club will make contact.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:33 amI would be amazed if Kompany has personally identified Ben Wiles as someone he wants to sign. He went to great lengths in his interview to explain and praise the work that has gone on at the club behind the scenes monitoring and identifying players.
He may have some players he knows/wants from his time in Belgium or at City but the recruitment team will have to run the rule over them first anyway (assuming they haven't already).
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He said the recruitment team had looked at hundreds of players.Mattster wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:44 amYeah, the majority of the signings will be Kompany telling the recruitment team what type of player he needs. They'll come to him with a shortlist of players based on data and scouting reports with video footage. Kompany will indicate which ones he likes the look of and then the club will make contact.
He may have some players he knows/wants from his time in Belgium or at City but the recruitment team will have to run the rule over them first anyway (assuming they haven't already).
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Cornet turned in to a fan favourite due to his personality and popping up with good goals but tear defences apart!?ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:40 amObviously there's a good chance he'll be off, i just hope we can persuade him to stay if only for one season, as someone says above.
He'll tear defences apart.
I never saw him do that once in the premier league.
We'd be keeping a player who would play maybe 20 games all season.
I really like the guy but he's the first player I said we should cash in on he isn't made for the championship and apart from his goals he put in more below average performances than ok performances
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Are the two signings going to be Egan-Riley and McNally or E-R and H-B on loan?
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Regarding Max, who I hope stays, but if he should go we desperately need his replacement.
Collins we seem to have hedged our bets, so that if we do get the right bid, we are already covered. The longer it goes before we get an offer for Max, the harder it will be to replace. I hope that we have a window, whereby any offers after a certain date are just turned down on the grounds we wouldn't have time to source a replacement.
Collins we seem to have hedged our bets, so that if we do get the right bid, we are already covered. The longer it goes before we get an offer for Max, the harder it will be to replace. I hope that we have a window, whereby any offers after a certain date are just turned down on the grounds we wouldn't have time to source a replacement.
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On balance I'd agree, Cornet started off his Burnley career with a bang, but following that bright start his goals dried up, and he does appear injury prone, plus I'm not convinced he'd be up for a year in the Championship, so if the release clause is met then I'd take the cash, and then reinvest in a replacement, or put the funds towards a striker.bumba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:47 amCornet turned in to a fan favourite due to his personality and popping up with good goals but tear defences apart!?
I never saw him do that once in the premier league.
We'd be keeping a player who would play maybe 20 games all season.
I really like the guy but he's the first player I said we should cash in on he isn't made for the championship and apart from his goals he put in more below average performances than ok performances
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While a lot depends on the individual player other clubs have held on to good players in similar circumstances to their benefit.NewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:21 amI’m not sure I buy the argument we should sell any/every player who “wants out”.
I think with younger players (include Dwight in this, to an extent Cornet), who have a long career ahead of them, if they’re on long-term contracts there’s a reasonable conversation to have where you say: “we know you’d like a move but as a club it’s not in our best interests at the moment. You’re pivotal, please help us get back up and we’ll then be in a position to sanction a move”.
All of them signed long-term deals, which was to their advantage, but at some point you have to play those to our advantage as well. And as professionals they should accept their commitment and crack on.
Collins’ handball changed the game vs Toon, Cornet missed a vital pen and sitter, Dwight had one of his worst seasons for us. Not knocking any of them, but there’s a reasonable alternate view that they owe us a decent season before they’ve earned the right to want out & a next move.
All I hear is pay off the debt here, pay off the debt there. It's suppose to have been renegotiated and there has been a massive saving on wages already.
Too right NC , I want to see the club fight tooth and nail to keep these contracted players
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With Cornet, we still owe around 9m of his fee to Lyon, so it would be useful to get that transfer debt paid firstly and then have some left over for reinvestment this summer. Plus it’s another one of the big earners off the books.
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I think with Cornet unless the 17.5m is offered, it's like with Collins and McNeil - you have to weigh up whether selling one of them can be the difference between being promoted or not. It isn't just about the here and now as if we go back up the difference in cash is significant - a lot more than we'd ever get for a player. If we manage to have Cornet up front next season, he could be the difference. I'm sure Pace and co will have that in mind.
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There doesn't seem to be much money being spent by Premier league or championship clubs at the minute. The money that is being spent is going abroad, so it's not creating the knock on affect of clubs using that money.
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While I understand all of your points, I just think to have a player of his quality in the championship would be massive. He’s clearly levels above. While he didn’t have the best possible season last year, he was still by far our most dangerous threat in the prem - getting 9 goals in about 20 starts.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:56 amOn balance I'd agree, Cornet started off his Burnley career with a bang, but following that bright start his goals dried up, and he does appear injury prone, plus I'm not convinced he'd be up for a year in the Championship, so if the release clause is met then I'd take the cash, and then reinvest in a replacement, or put the funds towards a striker.
Someone like Andre gray got 20 odd goals in the championship, who was pretty much all about pace. Max is rapid at championship level, and also has huge technical quality. His movement in an attacking side against lower level defenders could IMO fire us up.
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Was that a flat fee or was any of it contingent on staying in the prem, apps, etc?
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Realistically it’s pointless standing in the way of players if they can massively improve their earnings and prospects, it’s a fact of life that we have to live with now we are a Championship club.
The reality is that we will now have to fork out the same or more in some cases (OAPS) to watch inferior players of second tier quality.
The reality is that we will now have to fork out the same or more in some cases (OAPS) to watch inferior players of second tier quality.
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I don't think it works like that. The fee received would presumably be paid in installments and we would continue to pay Lyon in installments. Unless we have to pay up once he ceases to be our player?
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Why "apart from his goals"? We don't say that "apart from his saves, Pope wasn't much of a goalkeeper".bumba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:47 amCornet turned in to a fan favourite due to his personality and popping up with good goals but tear defences apart!?
I never saw him do that once in the premier league.
We'd be keeping a player who would play maybe 20 games all season.
I really like the guy but he's the first player I said we should cash in on he isn't made for the championship and apart from his goals he put in more below average performances than ok performances
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Some people used to say that about Payton. “ Apart from all the goals he scored, what does he do?”
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Still think we never found Cornet's best position. Maybe in a more fluid VK formation he could really shine?
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I take your point, but additionally, we had a very rigid set up and the team was struggling. I would imagine we will have a different approach which could utilise him to much more effect. He may find he is fed through midfield rather more than the predictable long ball over the top.
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At the end of the day - if someone wants Collins, it is going to cost them. We have done this with Tarks by turning down good fees for him so unless we are contractually compelled to sell the bloke, I am relaxed that he will only go for a fee that is probably too good to turn down.
We don't need to sell him from what we are being told so if someone wants him, they will pay a premium because his worth to us is that much.
If we generate £40m or somewhere close (which is what has been reported), I can't believe for one minute that none of that money will be reinvested in to an experienced defender. The players we are being linked with and are looking at getting in to date are not being brought in as a ready made replacement from what I can see.
He is 21 and has 71 appearances under his belt playing at Championship level and above. He is only going to get better.
I can only imagine too that having VK in charge will mean that Defenders will be keen to work with him.
For me, I would say that the chances of Collins being here at the end of the transfer window are greater than him not.
We don't need to sell him from what we are being told so if someone wants him, they will pay a premium because his worth to us is that much.
If we generate £40m or somewhere close (which is what has been reported), I can't believe for one minute that none of that money will be reinvested in to an experienced defender. The players we are being linked with and are looking at getting in to date are not being brought in as a ready made replacement from what I can see.
He is 21 and has 71 appearances under his belt playing at Championship level and above. He is only going to get better.
I can only imagine too that having VK in charge will mean that Defenders will be keen to work with him.
For me, I would say that the chances of Collins being here at the end of the transfer window are greater than him not.
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Ben Wiles wonder goal 25 seconds in.claretandy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:29 amScores goals from midfield, including a worldie at Wembley.
https://youtu.be/angF7ccd06c
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Confused me a bit there - it's 36-37 seconds in when I play it.mkmel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:29 amBen Wiles wonder goal 25 seconds in.
https://youtu.be/angF7ccd06c
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It could be that we play 3 at the back, in which case we’ll need 5 or 6 to cover injuries, suspensions, loss of form. Also competition for places is no bad thing, it pushes the players in the shirt. To often, certainly in midfield we’ve not had that.
I’m just guessing as I have no idea how Kompany likes to line up, just find it refreshing that I know we probably won’t line up 4-4-2 for the next number of years and we’ll end up with hopefully a couple of fluent systems.
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Kompanys preferred formation is 442buzzclarets79 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:40 amIt could be that we play 3 at the back, in which case we’ll need 5 or 6 to cover injuries, suspensions, loss of form. Also competition for places is no bad thing, it pushes the players in the shirt. To often, certainly in midfield we’ve not had that.
I’m just guessing as I have no idea how Kompany likes to line up, just find it refreshing that I know we probably won’t line up 4-4-2 for the next number of years and we’ll end up with hopefully a couple of fluent systems.
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Attn of Smile
What I really meant was start looking at 25 seconds in to see the build up to the goal as well as the goal itself
What I really meant was start looking at 25 seconds in to see the build up to the goal as well as the goal itself
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