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Post by claret2018 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:01 pm

The more I think about it the less I’m bothered about losing any of our current team. None of them have done anything of note for the past 12 months, if a sensible offer comes in we should sell.

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Post by SalouClaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:43 pm
Dwight has shown very little in 3 years for us?? You must watch a different Burnley side to me. Since he broke into the team he has been our main attacking threat. Admittedly, he didn't have a very good last season but then who did.

He doesn't score and doesn't get assists. Both pretty sound judgements of a good attacking player.

This season is massive for Dwight. I really hope he flourishes for us

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Post by nyclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:07 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:58 pm
And in the last 50 of those appearances he has offered us absolutely nothing. 4 or 5 assists and 2 goals in 2 seasons is awful. He still young and has potential, but his development has been going the wrong way for 2 years now.
And who’s fault is that? It’s not a coincidence this drop in form coincided with Dyche’s coaching and tactics.

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Post by SalouClaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:11 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:07 pm
And who’s fault is that? It’s not a coincidence this drop in form coincided with Dyche’s coaching and tactics.
Who was in charge when Dwight first came in to the team and initially looked promising? :roll:

You can't blame Dyche for McNeil not getting any assists from the wing.
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Post by Pearcey » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:13 pm

I can’t see Dwight, Cornet and Collins being with us at the end of the transfer window. Why would they want to play in the championship?

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:14 pm

Dwight would have had assists last season had our strikers finished their chances, he put in an amazing cross for Cornet at Norwich for example
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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:15 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:14 pm
Dwight would have had assists last season had our strikers finished their chances, he put in an amazing cross for Cornet at Norwich for example
Quite right his xA (expected assists) for the season was actually 5.

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Post by It Is What It Is » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:16 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:10 pm
And also after Richarlison and the diver.
Anybody who believes they are after all 4 is mental, and the main pundits are talking the Everton link, not us.

There is so much crap around
The club will only get what someone is prepared to pay as in normal life.
17.5 for Cornet. Should get that.
Dwight and Collins 14 to 18 Rach.
A tidy sum for the coffers and massive wage saving.
We are rebuilding a Championship squad.
You have to put faith in VK and AP.
It will all come alright in the end

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Post by Spijed » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:18 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:16 pm
The club will only get what someone is prepared to pay as in normal life.
17.5 for Cornet. Should get that.
Dwight and Collins 14 to 18 Rach.
A tidy sum for the coffers and massive wage saving.
We are rebuilding a Championship squad.
You have to put faith in VK and AP.
It will all come alright in the end
You really think that despite paying £12 million for Collins (on a long term contract) we'd accept £14-£18 million for him?

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:18 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:16 pm
The club will only get what someone is prepared to pay as in normal life.
17.5 for Cornet. Should get that.
Dwight and Collins 14 to 18 Rach.
A tidy sum for the coffers and massive wage saving.
We are rebuilding a Championship squad.
You have to put faith in VK and AP.
It will all come alright in the end
Newcastle just paid 35 million for a lad who is one year older with no PL experience and you think 18 is fair for Collins ? Aye alright

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Post by joey13 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:20 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:15 pm
Quite right his xA (expected assists) for the season was actually 5.
Expected assists ,seriously , talk about being desperate.

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Post by joey13 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:22 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:13 pm
I can’t see Dwight, Cornet and Collins being with us at the end of the transfer window. Why would they want to play in the championship?
Why would they want to sit on a bench ,because none of them walk into another Premier league side.

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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:23 pm

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:20 pm
Expected assists ,seriously , talk about being desperate.
Its a genuine metric that analysts look at. And probably more representative than ‘assists’ alone as to how creative someone was.
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Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:26 pm

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:20 pm
Expected assists ,seriously , talk about being desperate.
Tbf, if I played a ball into somebody to tap into an open goal, I’d be pretty ****** off if they missed

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Post by ClaretMov » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:27 pm

Collins goes for 40 million with loads of add on's minimum or he stays, why does he need to be sold this window his value will go up and up

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Post by joey13 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:28 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:23 pm
Its a genuine metric that analysts look at. And probably more representative than ‘assists’ alone as to how creative someone was.
Who decides what is an expected assist ?

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Post by nyclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:30 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:11 pm
Who was in charge when Dwight first came in to the team and initially looked promising? :roll:

You can't blame Dyche for McNeil not getting any assists from the wing.
He was a raw, young talent - teams didn’t know how to deal with him. Then Dyche couldn’t adapt his tactics to get the best out of him. Aren’t coaches supposed to improve the players?

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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:32 pm

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:28 pm
Who decides what is an expected assist ?
You will have to do some googling on the specifics but there’s calculations behind it depending on the chance (ie open goal tap in would be 0.9 or something, whereas a header from the penalty spot might be 0.15 - just examples). Not saying it’s 100% accurate but it’s part of the underlying player data that’s looked at.
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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:40 pm

Zak Steffen going to Boro from City. Very good signing for them. Thought we’d be in on that.

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Post by jojomk1 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:44 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:41 pm
Isn’t it mad how most of our first 11 are wanted by Prem teams, but we were so s*** for the majority of the past two seasons?
Just to throw in a curved ball

Maybe we were so poor for the last two seasons because of an uninspiring, tactically inept manager

Maybe the other Prem clubs think they can get more out of these players

Just a thought
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Post by Ric_C » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:45 pm

Isn't "expected assists" essentially the same as "big chances created?"

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Post by Red Fox Rocks Socks » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:46 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:40 pm
Zak Steffen going to Boro from City. Very good signing for them. Thought we’d be in on that.
The next Victor Valdes?
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Post by KRBFC » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:18 pm
Newcastle just paid 35 million for a lad who is one year older with no PL experience and you think 18 is fair for Collins ? Aye alright
Sven Botman is one of the top young prospects in world football, a little different to Collins, I do agree Collins is worth more than £18m though.

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Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:16 pm
The club will only get what someone is prepared to pay as in normal life.
17.5 for Cornet. Should get that.
Dwight and Collins 14 to 18 Rach.
A tidy sum for the coffers and massive wage saving.
We are rebuilding a Championship squad.
You have to put faith in VK and AP.
It will all come alright in the end
Agree on Cornet if he's got that release clause and wants to go then fine.
But why would we sell Dwight or Collins so cheaply, both on long term contracts, and both have every chance of improving under Kompany's charge.
Regarding wage savings we've already shifted quite a few high earners off the books, mainly due to so many of our mainstays being OOC, so that shouldn't be an immediate problem when you factor in our parachute payments.
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Post by Spijed » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:50 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:44 pm
Just to throw in a curved ball

Maybe we were so poor for the last two seasons because of an uninspiring, tactically inept manager

Maybe the other Prem clubs think they can get more out of these players

Just a thought
I bet many other clubs wish they had a tactically inept manager that could keep them in the Prem for six straight seasons!
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Post by Stayingup » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:59 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:50 pm
I bet many other clubs wish they had a tactically inept manager that could keep them in the Prem for six straight seasons!
With next to nothing to spend.
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Post by ecc » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:59 pm

Apparently "nearly half of the PL teams" want Nathan Collins.

Putting a valuation on Dwight isn't easy because irrespective of this, that and the other, last season wasn't his best for us.

Otherwise, could we please stop bickering about our previous manager and focus on the topic of this thread?
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Post by agreenwood » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:00 pm

McNally confirmed.
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Post by bobinho » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:00 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:11 pm
Who was in charge when Dwight first came in to the team and initially looked promising? :roll:

You can't blame Dyche for McNeil not getting any assists from the wing.
Dyche was in charge when Dwight broke into the team. And had he another alternative than to play Dwight, he would have taken it. Dwight got into the side because of injuries. He made himself undroppable due to his performances whilst in the side.

What CAN’T be disputed is the difference in his game from when he came in to what we were seeing when SD left. We can absolutely blame dyche for McNeil not getting any assists from the wing. Surely only one person to blame for that?

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Post by ecc » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:24 pm

As agreenwood has just said, we now have a new CB.

Get in!

"Burnley Football Club are delighted to announce the arrival of Luke McNally on a four-year contract from Oxford United for an undisclosed fee 📝"

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... gr%5Etweet

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:29 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm
Sven Botman is one of the top young prospects in world football, a little different to Collins, I do agree Collins is worth more than £18m though.
and you don't think Collins, also a full international, isn't one of the top young prospects ? I'm not saying he's as good as Botman or not but if he went for 35 there is no way we sell Collins for 18 (as you agreed)

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Post by warksclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:29 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:50 pm
I bet many other clubs wish they had a tactically inept manager that could keep them in the Prem for six straight seasons!
Yes he was great for 6 of the last 8 years. Time to move on. Nostalgia never got you anything in the PL

Imagine the names being mentioned on here if SD was still here-Joe Allen of Stoke, Delph of Everton, Andy Carroll. I could go on. Then the debates of whether he was SD's choice or the Chairman. I also like the way VK is selling the club to these new players. Maybe not 3 star Michelin chef on omelettes but he obviously commands huge respect
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Post by claretandy » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:30 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm
Sven Botman is one of the top young prospects in world football, a little different to Collins, I do agree Collins is worth more than £18m though.
You could say the same about Collins.

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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:39 pm

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/exclu ... -decision/

Will Smallbone from Southampton linked on loan.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:44 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:11 pm


You can't blame Dyche for McNeil not getting any assists from the wing.
No, the blame for lack of assists is largely down to the forwards not converting.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:52 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:50 pm
I bet many other clubs wish they had a tactically inept manager that could keep them in the Prem for six straight seasons!
And I bet not many PL managers would get a bonus for finishing 17th :)
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Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:55 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:08 am
Image

No, that’s not what’s been said. I never mentioned slow. They are your words.

Patience will be needed because it’ll be new and errors will be made.

You can win.
You’ll find this surprising - but it wasn’t all about your post

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Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:56 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:55 pm
You’ll find this surprising - but it wasn’t all about your post
I do find it surprising because you'd almost quoted it word for word.

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Post by andyh » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:14 pm

I hope we can move Dwight on…If we can get North of 10m I would snap their hands off.

Any player who get 0 assists and 0 goals in his position is not really adding a huge amount.

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Post by ClaretMov » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:17 pm

andyh wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:14 pm
I hope we can move Dwight on…If we can get North of 10m I would snap their hands off.

Any player who get 0 assists and 0 goals in his position is not really adding a huge amount.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:18 pm

andyh wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:14 pm
I hope we can move Dwight on…If we can get North of 10m I would snap their hands off.

Any player who get 0 assists and 0 goals in his position is not really adding a huge amount.
Hilariously bad take on football
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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:18 pm

claretandy wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:30 pm
You could say the same about Collins.
Collins is a good prospect but he’s not one of the world hottest prospects.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:20 pm

claretandy wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:30 pm
You could say the same about Collins.
Nixon, when asked on twitter about comparisons between McÑally and Collins replied that Collins may be one of the best of his age seen for some time.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:20 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:30 pm
He was a raw, young talent - teams didn’t know how to deal with him. Then Dyche couldn’t adapt his tactics to get the best out of him. Aren’t coaches supposed to improve the players?
The fact that Taylor is totally left footed also meant Charlie can only overlap. This was limiting for Dwight, who although he is too one footed has proved he can beat a defender on both sides. This had nothing to do with SD apart from the fact he selected them. Nothing against Charlie but this was the main reason I would have started a fit Erik Pieters.
For the first 6 months of the season Dwight would not go outside his defender, a total lack of confidence. Probably why he asked, as was reported, or he was asked to have a run out with the stiffs. He was better eventually after that.

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:24 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm
Agree on Cornet if he's got that release clause and wants to go then fine.
Who was the player who had a release clause that a club triggered by £1 and the players team simply refused to honor it? They just stonewalled them out.

Are release clauses legally viable? If so why did that happen.

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Post by Bigvince » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:28 pm

andyh wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:14 pm
I hope we can move Dwight on…If we can get North of 10m I would snap their hands off.

Any player who get 0 assists and 0 goals in his position is not really adding a huge amount.
We’ve enough fishermen on hear, put your Rod away!

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Post by andyh » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:32 pm

No fishing Big Vince he is a poor player however you measure it

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Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:33 pm

There's quite a bit of talk on here about our players being on big wages (for the championship)
and getting rid of these will alleviate the burden on the finances of the club.

Won't there have been clauses in their contracts to reduce their wages in the event of relegation ?

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:33 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:39 pm
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/exclu ... -decision/

Will Smallbone from Southampton linked on loan.
If this is a wind up, it's not very humerus.


I'll get me lab coat...

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Re: Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by burnleymik » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:37 pm

andyh wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:32 pm
No fishing Big Vince he is a poor player however you measure it
Except if you use your eyes?

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