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Post by eastcoastclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:40 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:39 am
I reckon at least one is announced today
I thought that yesterday

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Post by CoolClaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:41 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:07 am
Do you really think he'd come out in an interview and say 'He's not capable of playing out from the back'?

But we know he isn't

And Gareth Southgate knows he isn't

There's no way that Nick Pope leaves Burnley with 1 year and a 1 year option on his contract for 10 million if VK fancied him as number one.
Absolute nonsense

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:41 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:07 am
Do you really think he'd come out in an interview and say 'He's not capable of playing out from the back'?

But we know he isn't

And Gareth Southgate knows he isn't

There's no way that Nick Pope leaves Burnley with 1 year and a 1 year option on his contract for 10 million if VK fancied him as number one.
I disagree, he's more than capable. Our players didn't want to receive the ball.
It changed a little when Dyche was potted but for most of his time here the instructions were to kick long to the wings hoping to win a throw.

I certainly don't want a keeper who thinks he's Glenn Hoddle because the press have built you up though.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:43 am

I think unless a big club offers 40m plus, we should be rejecting. The only way I’d accept less is if they include an option of a loan back and a sell on fee for example - 25m and we get him back on loan for this season to continue his development

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:46 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:41 am
I disagree, he's more than capable. Our players didn't want to receive the ball.
It changed a little when Dyche was potted but for most of his time here the instructions were to kick long to the wings hoping to win a throw.

I certainly don't want a keeper who thinks he's Glenn Hoddle because the press have built you up though.
Must be watching different players. I always thought he looked a deer in the headlights with the ball at his feet.

I think he'd have way more caps for England if he was capable also.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:51 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:46 am
Must be watching different players. I always thought he looked a deer in the headlights with the ball at his feet.

I think he'd have way more caps for England if he was capable also.
If you keep telling people to play safe, you're not good enough, they won't have much confidence

Just look at Tarky in his Brentford days, as a ball playing CH. He soon lost that tag at Burnley.

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:54 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:51 am
If you keep telling people to play safe, you're not good enough, they won't have much confidence

Just look at Tarky in his Brentford days, as a ball playing CH. He soon lost that tag at Burnley.
I mean, that's true to an extent, but Pope struggling to hit targets with low pressure or free kicks..

I don't think anyone could ever envisage him switching a ball first time 35 yards to the opposite wing with any degree of accuracy..

I'd of been amazed anyway.

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Post by ClaretMov » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:39 am
I reckon at least one is announced today
Luke McNally today
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Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:59 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:54 am
I mean, that's true to an extent, but Pope struggling to hit targets with low pressure or free kicks..

I don't think anyone could ever envisage him switching a ball first time 35 yards to the opposite wing with any degree of accuracy..

I'd of been amazed anyway.
How many of our outfield players would you have trust in for that?

I was meaning basic 10 yard passes.

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Post by eastcoastclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:00 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 am
Luke McNally today
I hope you're right

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:02 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:59 am
How many of our outfield players would you have trust in for that?

I was meaning basic 10 yard passes.
I could make basic 10 yard passes. This is playing out from the back at a professional level, not Barrowford Celtic U10s

Something tells me that VK might want a bit more than a tap to a centre back.
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Post by ClaretMov » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:06 am

eastcoastclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:00 am
I hope you're right
Along with Ben Wiles hopefully

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Post by eastcoastclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:17 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:06 am
Along with Ben Wiles hopefully
I thought that one might have just been speculation. You think there is more to it?

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Post by Smile » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:17 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 am
Luke McNally today
You'd expect so if his medical was yesterday morning as reported.

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:29 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 am
Luke McNally today
:D

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:02 am
I could make basic 10 yard passes. This is playing out from the back at a professional level, not Barrowford Celtic U10s

Something tells me that VK might want a bit more than a tap to a centre back.
Lets hope it works out for him.

I was watching a short clip of an interview with Keith Treacy this morning on Collins leaving. He said it would be best for him as Burnley fans aren't patient enough for defenders passing it around.

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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:37 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 am
Lets hope it works out for him.

I was watching a short clip of an interview with Keith Treacy this morning on Collins leaving. He said it would be best for him as Burnley fans aren't patient enough for defenders passing it around.
How would Treacy know? He was ****** all the time
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Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 am

Strikers who performed well on Germany don't do very well in the Premier league
Havertz and Werner are cases in point

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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:43 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 am
Lets hope it works out for him.

I was watching a short clip of an interview with Keith Treacy this morning on Collins leaving. He said it would be best for him as Burnley fans aren't patient enough for defenders passing it around.
That's quite interesting.

I am predicting a thread on here within the first couple of games from posters complaining about playing out from the back and plenty of shouts from within the ground.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:52 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:43 am
That's quite interesting.

I am predicting a thread on here within the first couple of games from posters complaining about playing out from the back and plenty of shouts from within the ground.
I actually agree, I think when we concede a few goals from playing it out from the back there will quickly be complaints

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:52 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:43 am
That's quite interesting.

I am predicting a thread on here within the first couple of games from posters complaining about playing out from the back and plenty of shouts from within the ground.
Glad people have started mentioning this

Its not just the team that have to evolve, its us as a fan base as well

We have to be patient, rather than screaming for the ball to be got forward as quickly as possible

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Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:53 am

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:33 am
From having loads of links flying round, things just appear to have gone a little quiet since the confirmation of Scott twine
... about 48 hours ago. Chill!

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Post by Sleeping Cat » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:53 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:43 am
That's quite interesting.

I am predicting a thread on here within the first couple of games from posters complaining about playing out from the back and plenty of shouts from within the ground.
I seem to remember this happening under Howe, particularly when the centre halves split to either side of the keeper to receive a short pass from a goal kick.

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Post by tiger76 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:55 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:43 am
That's quite interesting.

I am predicting a thread on here within the first couple of games from posters complaining about playing out from the back and plenty of shouts from within the ground.
This is the danger in changing style, but fans will need to show patience and buy into Kompany's philosophy if it's to succeed, and not just the fans but the players as well.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:52 am
Glad people have started mentioning this

Its not just the team that have to evolve, its us as a fan base as well

We have to be patient, rather than screaming for the ball to be got forward as quickly as possible
I watched England recently and it did my head in, I just kept wanting them to go long 😂
I think some of the older fans will struggle with it, younger lads/lasses have been taught to play this way for a while now.
I can already hear the groans

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Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:01 am

Absolutely spot on about the fans needing to evolve into a new style of play as well. For 10 years we’ve been used to seeing the ball hit long and early, and it will definitely take some getting used to.

I can already see the posts on here along the lines of “stop fannying about with it and get it forwards”.

I’m looking forward to a new approach and I hope the majority of fans can be patient with it.

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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:02 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 am
I watched England recently and it did my head in, I just kept wanting them to go long 😂
I think some of the older fans will struggle with it, younger lads/lasses have been taught to play this way for a while now.
I can already hear the groans
It certainly see this coming from myself even. We've somehow all been made to believe that this is the 'right way' to play football.

When it's not working it's more boring than a direct style IMO.

We've just got to get behind them and believe the results will come.

We certainly have with other managers from a lot worse positions than we're in now.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:03 am

ksrclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:01 am
Absolutely spot on about the fans needing to evolve into a new style of play as well. For 10 years we’ve been used to seeing the ball hit long and early, and it will definitely take some getting used to.

I can already see the posts on here along the lines of “stop fannying about with it and get it forwards”.

I’m looking forward to a new approach and I hope the majority of fans can be patient with it.
I think it will take some time for fans to adjust. Just look at an england or Man City match day thread and the amount of Fans on this board that complain about playing it out from the back.

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:04 am

Lots of complaints about hitting it long and it being dull football.
Now we're playing it short and we need patience because it will be slow
You can't win!

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:05 am

Get it down play it wide

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Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:08 am

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SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:04 am
Lots of complaints about hitting it long and it being dull football.
Now we're playing it short and we need patience because it will be slow
You can't win!
No, that’s not what’s been said. I never mentioned slow. They are your words.

Patience will be needed because it’ll be new and errors will be made.

You can win.
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Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:08 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:04 am
Lots of complaints about hitting it long and it being dull football.
Now we're playing it short and we need patience because it will be slow
You can't win!
Only Burnley fans could start complaining about it before we've even kicked a ball :lol:

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Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:10 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:39 am
Strikers who performed well on Germany don't do very well in the Premier league
Havertz and Werner are cases in point
How many players have come from Bundesliga and made an immediate impact in the Prem?

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Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:10 am

It's not the playing it out from the back that's the problem, it's the playing
about with it at the back that's the problem.

I'm all in favour of playing out from the back provided they make some headway
and progress up the field.

Let's wait and see what transpires before we start to judge.
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Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:12 am

Nothing wrong with playing out from the back and nothing wrong with getting it forward. Best to do both. Being direct by working the ball forward quickly and incisively rather than just lumping it long.

As long as we aren't dicking around with 2 centre halves in the area at goal kicks every time as that really is shite.

Our best football from the back last season was Pope recycling it quickly either short to one of the centre halves or with a throw down the line to a full back. That is how you play out from the back, not triangles in your own box.

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Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:13 am

Or what funkydrummer said while I was typing.

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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:15 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:12 am
Nothing wrong with playing out from the back and nothing wrong with getting it forward. Best to do both. Being direct by working the ball forward quickly and incisively rather than just lumping it long.

As long as we aren't dicking around with 2 centre halves in the area at goal kicks every time as that really is shite.

Our best football from the back last season was Pope recycling it quickly either short to one of the centre halves or with a throw down the line to a full back. That is how you play out from the back, not triangles in your own box.
From goal kicks, if you want to play out from the back, it does mean centre halves dropping deep and likely into the box, otherwise, how else? It would be a long ball, or, if the keeper is excellent with his feet, he might pick someone out on the wings / between the lines.

The example you give of Pope is when the ball was still in play, which is different.

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Post by ClaretMov » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:21 am

Burnley Ace wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:10 am
How many players have come from Bundesliga and made an immediate impact in the Prem?
Roberto Firmino

Heung-Min Son

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang

Kevin de Bruyne

Ilkay Gundogan

Bernd Leno......To name a few

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Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:23 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:15 am
From goal kicks, if you want to play out from the back, it does mean centre halves dropping deep and likely into the box, otherwise, how else? It would be a long ball, or, if the keeper is excellent with his feet, he might pick someone out on the wings / between the lines.

The example you give of Pope is when the ball was still in play, which is different.
As I said, a bit of both is best. But two centre halves in the box dicking around every time is asking for trouble.

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Post by Sproggy » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:26 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 am
I watched England recently and it did my head in, I just kept wanting them to go long 😂
I think some of the older fans will struggle with it, younger lads/lasses have been taught to play this way for a while now.
I can already hear the groans
Playing out from the back is fine if there's a purpose. Man City do it to create space then move through it really quickly.

Gareth Southgate does it as a means to advance to the half way line before passing it backwards again. And he does it really slooooooowly.

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Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:33 am

Whilst I was thinking more of the players that cost less than £50m I take your point!! However, First season in the Prem Son played 28 and scored 4, Jadon Sanch 29 and 3, Sane 26 and 5.

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:38 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 am
Lets hope it works out for him.

I was watching a short clip of an interview with Keith Treacy this morning on Collins leaving. He said it would be best for him as Burnley fans aren't patient enough for defenders passing it around.
We once had a reputation for demanding the beautiful game, just as West Ham fans and Geordies are demanding now.
There's a reality to what Dyche brought to the club, that most fans recognised was necessary.

We can be just as pragmatic for VK. Fannying around at the back with the ball isn't entertaining, but if it leads to us playing the ball through the field, on the deck, them most fans will love it.

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Post by Mattster » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:58 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:02 am
I agree with all of that except Our situation is different to White?

The record for a Championship CB moving to the prem is 22m I believe. I think we could get more given his age but not astronomically more.
Ake moved for £40m following Bournemouth's relegation to the Championship

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:01 pm

Mattster wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:58 am
Ake moved for £40m following Bournemouth's relegation to the Championship

Godfrey to Everton was about 25m too

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:12 pm

warksclaret wrote:
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I am wondering with the imminent deal to loan out Weghorse
I hope that was deliberate :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:13 pm

if we sell Collins for 25 million I hope we demand a 20% sell on clause

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Post by Murger » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:18 pm

Collins has got to be valued at £30m minimum.

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Re: Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:23 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:52 am
Glad people have started mentioning this

Its not just the team that have to evolve, its us as a fan base as well

We have to be patient, rather than screaming for the ball to be got forward as quickly as possible
it's one of the most important things that needs to happen imho

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Re: Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by clive40golf » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:26 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:58 am
I watched England recently and it did my head in, I just kept wanting them to go long 😂
I think some of the older fans will struggle with it, younger lads/lasses have been taught to play this way for a while now.
I can already hear the groans

Please God, I hope we don’t play like Gareth Southgate has England playing. Backwards possessive football until it reaches Pickford, who just lumps it forward for players to battle it out in midfield 🫣.
I’m hoping we have a bit more style about us, so we can pick out short, effective passes.

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Re: Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by scouseclaret » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:29 pm

Murger wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:18 pm
Collins has got to be valued at £30m minimum.
Are we really going to sell Collins after Mee and Tarko have already gone?

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