Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:05 pm

It's reminding everyone that the target is achieving Europe in 5 seasons that get's my "like."

Exciting times.

UTC

However bogs of frogs mental that target may be. It’s good to have an aim!!

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:31 pm

He wouldn’t be starting at Burnley

You obviously know something we don’t Tony?

All these new players know they are now in good Kompany. What a refreshingly good start to the season rather than sweating over the last few hours of the window closing.Be interesting to get Dyche & Woans take on what has happened in the past 2-3 weeks

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:18 pm

Belgian press reporting two more Congolese players onthief way, one from Standard de Liege and one from Anderlecht

Maybe we’re getting Um Bongo as a shirt sponsor

Most people will remember “You don’t win anything with kids” quote from Alan Hanson.
Pace has thrown himself behind VK and we have to believe that VK knows what he’s doing. The two lads from city will probably be a cut above (you don’t hang around city from the age of 6 without being well thought off), and if they all gel it could be some season

FeedTheArf wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:20 pm

Maybe we’re getting Um Bongo as a shirt sponsor

Um Bongo Bingo

clive40golf wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 pm

You obviously know something we don’t Tony?

No I don’t. I just don’t imagine us having Wayne Hennessey as first choice.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:31 pm

He wouldn’t be starting at Burnley

I’m surprised at that. I’m all for having a youthful side but Hennesseys experience, in what is looking like a young back 4, would have been invaluable.

That said, if Kompany has no intention of starting him, then that wage could probably be spent on 2 younger players, and if we could get a fee on top then all the better.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:27 pm

No I don’t. I just don’t imagine us having Wayne Hennessey as first choice.

Muric?

The departure of Pope was devastating news. I suspect for many clarets too. Probably for me the best Burnley keeper in my 60 years of following the clarets. THe realisation of him going was tempered by the fact we had Hennessy, and the recent performance v Ukraine not only boosted his confidence, but mine too, and suspect numerous clarets. Todays news is therefore a bomb shell, particularly to be going as No 2 to Henderson, who has not left Man Utd to be No 2 at newly promoted Forest. Sadly I dont belive Peacock Farrell is an option. After being given the chance in 2021 his performances were so bad Norris played for two games

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:32 pm

It is indeed looking like a rather big overhaul.

Thing is, we’ve had a triple whammy of relegation, new manager and a large number of players naturally coming to the end of their contracts.

I’m not really surprised, tbh.

You mean THB

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:32 pm

The departure of Pope was devastating news. I suspect for many clarets too. Probably for me the best Burnley keeper in my 60 years of following the clarets. THe realisation of him going was tempered by the fact we had Hennessy, and the recent performance v Ukraine not only boosted his confidence, but mine too, and suspect numerous clarets. Todays news is therefore a bomb shell, particularly to be going as No 2 to Henderson, who has not left Man Utd to be No 2 at newly promoted Forest. Sadly I dont belive Peacock Farrell is an option. After being given the chance in 2021 his performances were so bad Norris played for two games

No reason Peacock-Farrell can't cut it this season.
Heaton and then Pope have set the bar very high... but that was in the PL.

Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:08 pm

And, so far as we've heard, VK hasn't needed to cook anyone an omelette to get them to sign.

Maybe he’s been making coco pops for the young pups

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:35 pm

No reason Peacock-Farrell can't cut it this season.
Heaton and then Pope have set the bar very high... but that was in the PL.

My neighbour is a Sheff Wed season ticket holder and sees half of their away games too. I value his judgement-claims when he joined he was outstanding but as the season went by he made a number of seriously bad mistakes. I am not convinced

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:46 pm

My neighbour is a Sheff Wed season ticket holder and sees half of their away games too. I value his judgement-claims when he joined he was outstanding but as the season went by he made a number of seriously bad mistakes. I am not convinced

They didn’t call him biscuit wrists at Leeds for no reason.

Peacock-Farrell can cut it - he's a good keeper.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:35 pm

No reason Peacock-Farrell can't cut it this season.
Heaton and then Pope have set the bar very high... but that was in the PL.

BPF won't be 1st choice next season I'm fairly certain of that, whether he'll be content to remain as back-up only he knows.

I guess we'll be bringing in a ball playing keeper to fit with Kompany's philosophy. probably the lad from City who's been heavily linked for a couple of weeks now.

If Hennessy goes we could do worse than get Ben Foster on a FREE. Apparently a great team man, and a cracking keeper. Sure Jay could have a word. With him and Muric playing for the shirt that would be good for the club. We could then loan our GPF and free a wage, or sell him

HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:49 pm

Peacock-Farrell can cut it - he's a good keeper.

When Pope got injured he was shocking for several games. Its the only time I have seen last year's defenders bellow at a fellow defender colleague. He was so bad SD dropped him for the 3rd choice keeper Norris for the last two games that season and he was as shocking.We need to get rid of both

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:46 pm

My neighbour is a Sheff Wed season ticket holder and sees half of their away games too. I value his judgement-claims when he joined he was outstanding but as the season went by he made a number of seriously bad mistakes. I am not convinced

My father in law is a Wednesday season ticket holder. Said he’s a decent shot stopper but terrible with his feet. Doesn’t sound like what Kompany is looking for.

colne-claret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:57 pm

My father in law is a Wednesday season ticket holder. Said he’s a decent shot stopper but terrible with his feet. Doesn’t sound like what Kompany is looking for.

From what I've seen he is a more than decent shot-stopper.
We actually don't know what VK wants from his goalkeeper.

TBH I'm hoping for Muric as No1.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:39 pm

I’m hoping that we bring in some quality, proven experience. I think we are going to need it.

Absolutely, quite worrying if we're gonna end up bringing 8 players in for £10m combined or so. Proven quality in this country costs, we definitely need some of it if we're gonna be selling players like Cornet and Collins. It's imperative we get a proven goalscorer to replace Cornet/Weghorst.

Muleka is a very decent cheap punt, a good signing but can we really rely on him to fire us to promotion? who knows

Mcnally, Harwood Bellis and CJ all look good pick ups and have potential, but are they gonna be solid enough to keep the ball out enough to gain promotion? Who knows

If we sell Cornet and Collins, we need to bring in 2 players imo, 2 absolute nailed on proven players, with little risk. They can also fit the model too (like Collins did last year) be young, ones to resell in the future.

Dael Fry and Joel Piroe would be my 2.

Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:01 pm

Isn't there a significant difference? Fergie's team of "don't win anything with youngsters" won the Premier league. Vincent Kompany's re-built Burnley will be competing in the Championship.

And the Championship requires plenty of experience.

Steddyman wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:27 pm

Yes, it is true. I've seen various quotes from him over the years saying when he goes home he doesn't watch football and doesn't talk about football. Her is one quote from here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... r-campbell
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Now we are in Sean Dyche’s home near Northampton, and the first thing thought you have is that if this was David Frost’s old show, Through the Keyhole, you would never guess that a former footballer and current manager lived here. “You won’t find any memorabilia in here,” he says, as he goes about making us a coffee. “No pictures, no old shirts, none of that. I’m not one of those football people who thinks and talks nothing but football. When I’m here, it’s not just my home, it’s the family home.
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Is that you Alistair? Talk about spin.
There's a world of difference between not exclusively caring about football, clinging to legacies of your career & making it everything about your home life, and not caring about football at all and having no interest in the sport. He's very blatantly talking about separating your personal and professional life where you can which is healthy, certainly healthier than parading all your shirts and trophies around your house 24/7. It's not all or nothing where your whole life is football or you have no interest in the job.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:00 pm

I can't have the revision of history, that Sean Dyche didn't have an interest in football - it is utter nonsense.

Welcome to 2022. Sean Dyche was always crap, couldn't scout a player, couldn't sign a player, couldn't develop a player, took every player backwards, only ever exclusively played ugly long ball and chose this over better options, held the club back and all our success was in spite of him. Signing unproven youngsters en masse and just hoping every single one gels and works out as well as Mee 11 years ago, and ditching every shred of experience except arguably 2 of the older heads we most needed to move on, is clearly a flawless strategy and anyone who expresses any hesitation is a moaning minnie who wants the club to fail.

In other words, there's no such thing as balanced views anymore. But I'll try my best:
I'm happy with Twine. Solid enough pedigree, decent price, good age. From the little I've seen or heard of Harwood Bellis I'm torn- sounds decent enough, but would rather it was a permanent than a loan as it just means if he's really any good we won't keep him. Riley and McNally are completely unproven unknown quantities and I really don't relish the idea of relying on such raw youth in defence, and if Hennessy is off for Muric then our entire defensive unit is extremely inexperienced. The Congolese duo seem intriguing, Muleka could be what we need because we certainly need pace, Bastien could fix our midfield problems if he can rediscover the form that had such interest 2 years ago but I admit I know very little about either. Interesting, exciting, but gambles.

As for the speed with which we're doing business- we frankly have to. The season starts in 4 weeks, we've already lost a large number of players and are set to lose more. We have to make quick signings- they could be good dealings or panicked/risky dealings but either way we don't have the time to not move fast. I obviously hope the former, but I can't say I'm confident about the season ahead even if I'm glad that we are at least getting bodies in. And not offering Ben Mee of all people a contract just baffles me. Don't trot out the ball playing stuff, statistical data from some sites shows he's better at several measures than Tarkowski who people think was a ball player. Can't understand not offering him a renewal.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:06 pm

Absolutely, quite worrying if we're gonna end up bringing 8 players in for £10m combined or so. Proven quality in this country costs, we definitely need some of it if we're gonna be selling players like Cornet and Collins. It's imperative we get a proven goalscorer to replace Cornet/Weghorst.

Muleka is a very decent cheap punt, a good signing but can we really rely on him to fire us to promotion? who knows

Mcnally, Harwood Bellis and CJ all look good pick ups and have potential, but are they gonna be solid enough to keep the ball out enough to gain promotion? Who knows

If we sell Cornet and Collins, we need to bring in 2 players imo, 2 absolute nailed on proven players, with little risk. They can also fit the model too (like Collins did last year) be young, ones to resell in the future.

Dael Fry and Joel Piroe would be my 2.

zero chance of getting anyone out of Boro, they will have a real go under Wilder

Spijed wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:10 pm

And the Championship requires plenty of experience.

all depends who we keep, as it stands Collins, Roberts, Lowton, Browhill, Cork, Barnes and Jay have more than enough between them

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:20 pm

all depends who we keep, as it stands Collins, Roberts, Lowton, Browhill, Cork, Barnes and Jay have more than enough between them

They only have enough if they are going to start week and week out.

From that list I can see two starting week in and week out

Spijed wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:10 pm

And the Championship requires plenty of experience.

As of now we still have plenty of players with championship experience…

Cork
Barnes
Jay Rod
Lowton
Brownhill
Collins
Long
BPF
THB
Vydra contract permitting
Roberts
JBG
Taylor

Would be nice to see us sign an established championship player though

Presumably Muric, THB and Egan Riley are used to playing together so that would overcome some of the issue of having new players that might otherwise take a while to gel.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:24 pm

They only have enough if they are going to start week and week out.

From that list I can see two starting week in and week out

Which two?

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:51 pm

I don’t know that clubs can ever set up for 1 season of development can they? Players who dom progress likely leave, so the season after becomes about development too. Maybe we’re going to become a development club, and being st this level suits the financial model better?

You've hit on a concern I've had for a little while.
It's much easier to flip players for profit in the Championship or League One than the Premier League. Incoming transfer fees are generally lower as we're seeing, absolute sale price might be lower but profit margin/relative percentage profit is higher, risk of loss on investment lower, wages are lower so associated costs of players are cheaper.
If ALK clear all the debts, then they've essentially got an asset trading portfolio for zero personal cost. Running the club to generate a transfer profit makes sense if the profit is reinvested in the team to climb up, but as soon as you start trying to climb back up the Premier League ladder it becomes far harder to run profitable transfer windows (or clubs- yes PL money is big but wage and transfer demands are too) and the model risks breaking down- as we saw when we qualified for Europe and actually squeezed our finances doing so. I worry that if we are overly focused on maintaining this model and especially on having attractive football rather than results, we will end up reinvesting in more of the same to maintain that model at the most financially profitable level rather than the highest sporting level- in other words revert to a Championship side, but as a de-facto development squad for the Premier League playing EPL-lite, rather than a Premier League disruptor.

clive40golf wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:22 pm

Most people will remember “You don’t win anything with kids” quote from Alan Hanson.
Pace has thrown himself behind VK and we have to believe that VK knows what he’s doing. The two lads from city will probably be a cut above (you don’t hang around city from the age of 6 without being well thought off), and if they all gel it could be some season

Yes ... Well Done Alan Pace!
AP is a very astute business man and for him and the board to get VK on a 4 year contract is nothing short of outstanding!
You don't get anywhere without risk taking.
Not too much of a risk with VK at all.
No way on God's earth would we have the the signings and deals we have in the bag without the clout of V K.
Just love it AP!!!
Watch out Premier League 2023/24.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:31 pm

You've hit on a concern I've had for a little while.
It's much easier to flip players for profit in the Championship or League One than the Premier League. Incoming transfer fees are generally lower as we're seeing, absolute sale price might be lower but profit margin/relative percentage profit is higher, risk of loss on investment lower, wages are lower so associated costs of players are cheaper.
If ALK clear all the debts, then they've essentially got an asset trading portfolio for zero personal cost. Running the club to generate a transfer profit makes sense if the profit is reinvested in the team to climb up, but as soon as you start trying to climb back up the Premier League ladder it becomes far harder to run profitable transfer windows (or clubs- yes PL money is big but wage and transfer demands are too) and the model risks breaking down- as we saw when we qualified for Europe and actually squeezed our finances doing so. I worry that if we are overly focused on maintaining this model and especially on having attractive football rather than results, we will end up reinvesting in more of the same to maintain that model at the most financially profitable level rather than the highest sporting level- in other words revert to a Championship side, but as a de-facto development squad for the Premier League playing EPL-lite, rather than a Premier League disruptor.

What about just going and watching some decent football?
The PL has turned so many of us into financial experts.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:31 pm

He wouldn’t be starting at Burnley

More chance than at Forest.

taio wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:28 pm

Which two?

Probably Collins and Brownhill.

I would be surprised if the rest made the starting eleven or featured regularly

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:46 pm

What about just going and watching some decent football?
The PL has turned so many of us into financial experts.

If it was about "just going and watching some decent football" I'd be a City or Liverpool fan. I want Burnley to be successful, it's not just about them playing 'decent football' (which is hugely subjective- some people fawn over the brilliance of cheats and divers when I personally think fair, physical, honest football is far better than flash if the flash comes with cheating). It's about success- we just had 6 years of success I applaud Pace's stated goal of Europe in the next 5 years, we had Europe in the past 5 years and I loved it Dycheball and all, I would far rather take that style of play in Europe and the Premier League than being Barcelona-lite in the Championship. There's nothing like playing and getting one over on the top teams or testing yourself against the continent.
As for financial expertise, it's pretty simple maths not some accounting degree. Lukaku might move for £100m but what's the actual profit, percentage profit relative to expenditure, and net profit after additional costs are considered? Compare that to a Championship player with a lower fee but higher relative profit-to-cost ratio. I know according to Gove "we're sick of experts" but sneering at people for pointing out stuff that basic is an odd take.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:54 pm

Probably Collins and Brownhill.

I would be surprised if the rest made the starting eleven or featured regularly

Cork and Roberts will feature regularly I hope. I suspect one of Rodriguez and Barnes will too.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:57 pm

If it was about "just going and watching some decent football" I'd be a City or Liverpool fan. I want Burnley to be successful, it's not just about them playing 'decent football' (which is hugely subjective- some people fawn over the brilliance of cheats and divers when I personally think fair, physical, honest football is far better than flash if the flash comes with cheating). It's about success- we just had 6 years of success I applaud Pace's stated goal of Europe in the next 5 years, we had Europe in the past 5 years and I loved it Dycheball and all, I would far rather take that style of play in Europe and the Premier League than being Barcelona-lite in the Championship. There's nothing like playing and getting one over on the top teams or testing yourself against the continent.
As for financial expertise, it's pretty simple maths not some accounting degree. Lukaku might move for £100m but what's the actual profit, percentage profit relative to expenditure, and net profit after additional costs are considered? Compare that to a Championship player with a lower fee but higher relative profit-to-cost ratio. I know according to Gove "we're sick of experts" but sneering at people for pointing out stuff that basic is an odd take.

I think you've missed my point.
And you are doing it again by bringing Lukaku and his profit/loss into the conversation.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:00 pm

I think you've missed my point.
And you are doing it again by bringing Lukaku and his profit/loss into the conversation.

What is your point, beyond essentially telling me to not discuss the financial model because doing that apparently means I think I'm an accountant, and just sit back and watch football? It's a forum. People discuss things. Always find it odd when people post, telling someone to not post about something. Nobody makes you read it.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:07 pm

What is your point, beyond essentially telling me to not discuss the financial model because doing that apparently means I think I'm an accountant, and just sit back and watch football? It's a forum. People discuss things. Always find it odd when people post, telling someone to not post about something. Nobody makes you read it.

i'm not telling you to do anything.
My observation is that, in general, too much is made out of the financial side of the game whilst the enjoyment factor is being somewhat ignored.

Re:BPF discussion higher up.
As so many of todays young keepers he makes superb reflex saves. I wouldn’t know, or care, about his kicking but his major weakness that crops up far to regularly are mental errors. Charging out of his box, passing to a marked colleague when under no pressure.
He's a no from me.

Would be brilliant if VK. Could somehow convince city to give us Delap he’s going to be some player that lad

joey13 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:14 pm

Did you see him against Ukraine ?

Saw him against Leeds. Draw that match we stay up. Wasn’t impressed.

Looks a good lad and solid keeper but not to Kompany’s taste I’m guessing. That’s fine. I trust his judgement. There is a profit / resale angle too.

Finished scanning today’s transfer news on here now after diving off for half an hour. Gosh there is some panic going on. You don’t win anything with cheap kids being the main theme.

I do think we forget we have a side full of Premier League players plus a few promising youngsters. For example, Jay, who has played one season at this level in 10 years and got 22 goals in the league. That was the Jay after his bad injuries.

The other thing people forget is that we aren't done yet. If we sell big, I expect a decent purchase, e.g. Collins goes I wouldn’t be surprised to see a £5m-£10m player signed afterwards.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:51 pm

I don’t know that clubs can ever set up for 1 season of development can they? Players who dom progress likely leave, so the season after becomes about development too. Maybe we’re going to become a development club, and being st this level suits the financial model better?

I had the same thought earlier today. You could be right.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:17 pm

Is that you Alistair? Talk about spin.
There's a world of difference between not exclusively caring about football, clinging to legacies of your career & making it everything about your home life, and not caring about football at all and having no interest in the sport. He's very blatantly talking about separating your personal and professional life where you can which is healthy, certainly healthier than parading all your shirts and trophies around your house 24/7. It's not all or nothing where your whole life is football or you have no interest in the job.

It means football wasn't his passion. It clearly is VK's and players respect passion. If they aren't passionate about the game, if it is just a job, a footballer isn't going to be very good. Footballers need to love the game and they will naturally be attracted to managers that share that passion.

Nottingham Forest will reportedly sign Burnley goalkeeper Wayne Hennessey as well as completing a loan move for Dean Henderson this summer.

GiveMeSport have claimed that Burnely winger Maxwel Cornet, who has been linked with a move to Tottenham this summer is keen to leave Turf Moor.

Cornet enjoyed an impressive first season in English football after arriving at Burnley from Lyon last summer, scoring nine goals in the Premier League

However, his efforts were not enough to help the Clarets to preserve their Premier League status as their relegation was confirmed on the final day of the season.

The Daily Mirror reported back in May that Antonio Conte had identified the Ivory Coast international as a player who could bolster his attacking options this summer.

The Telegraph subsequently claimed Burnley’s relegation from the top-flight triggers a clause that would allow the winger to leave for £17.5m this summer, with West Ham United and Everton also said to have their eye on the winger.

However, so far none of the aforementioned clubs seem to have pushed ahead with a move for the 25-year-old.

GiveMeSport have now revealed that Cornet is keen to seal a move away from Burnley before the transfer window closes.

The report states that the winger is now ‘waiting for a big enough club’ to come forward with a proposal.

Spurs Web Opinion

Tottenham’s impending signing of Richrlison likely rules out a move for any other attacking player this summer. It is possible that Conte was eyeing Cornet as an option for the left wing-back role but we are now well stacked in that position as well with Perisic and Sessegnon.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:06 pm

Dael Fry and Joel Piroe would be my 2.

Fry - zero chance of Boro/Wilder doing business with a promotion rival, if so you are talking 15m+, that’s if the player would even want to leave

Piroe - Swansea want 15m+, where is this cash coming from? Do you realise a 15m player also wants 15m player wages, ie 40k+ per week? That’s not fitting with creating a more sustainable wage bill and would put him as the top earner by far.

Who else?

Steddyman wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:27 pm

Yes, it is true. I've seen various quotes from him over the years saying when he goes home he doesn't watch football and doesn't talk about football. Her is one quote from here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... r-campbell
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Now we are in Sean Dyche’s home near Northampton, and the first thing thought you have is that if this was David Frost’s old show, Through the Keyhole, you would never guess that a former footballer and current manager lived here. “You won’t find any memorabilia in here,” he says, as he goes about making us a coffee. “No pictures, no old shirts, none of that. I’m not one of those football people who thinks and talks nothing but football. When I’m here, it’s not just my home, it’s the family home.
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Jesus you’ve posted some weird stuff in the past but now whinging that Dyche isn’t a football man because he said when he gets home to his wife and kids he’s a family man.

Do you have pictures of your job all over your house ?