Vyds to sign contract extension

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Wed May 25, 2022 3:37 pm

According to this reporter: https://twitter.com/thejonnybentley/sta ... S-TdoLsoOA

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:01 pm

He will barely play this season, and will likely not be match sharp til the following so while two years makes sense from that perspective it's a gamble that he'll still be up to it and I would hope comes with a significant wage cut.

Said weeks ago of the three OOC forwards he would be my renewal priority but his injury changes that. It's a decent thing to do morally but on a purely pragmatic level it's a much less sure bet now. Still he's proven at that level so if he's able to get back ahead of schedule and help out he could be a real asset.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:03 pm

spt_claret wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:01 pm
He will barely play this season, and will likely not be match sharp til the following so while two years makes sense from that perspective it's a gamble that he'll still be up to it and I would hope comes with a significant wage cut.

Said weeks ago of the three OOC forwards he would be my renewal priority but his injury changes that. It's a decent thing to do morally but on a purely pragmatic level it's a much less sure bet now. Still he's proven at that level so if he's able to get back ahead of schedule and help out he could be a real asset.

Why would he barely play next season?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:05 pm

Depends how bad his ACL rupture was but there is every chance he will be back for the second half of the season I would imagine. If we're in the promotion hunt, getting Vydra (a proven goalscorer at that level) back in January for the run-in could be a real bonus.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:06 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:03 pm
Why would he barely play next season?

Cruciate injury is a long layoff, 6-9 months. He won't be fit until November-February, split the difference and say transfer window. Then there's fully match fit to consider which generally adds another month to get first team ready. Then match sharpness.
Barely play may have overstated it but I think it'll be the halfway point at earliest before we see him- although as I say I still think he's an asset and if his wages come down it's a worthwhile gamble.

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:07 pm

Good, a good player especially at this level and a good partner to WW.

Such a shame he’s been discarded/mismanaged by Dyche

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:07 pm

spt_claret wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:06 pm
Cruciate injury is a long layoff, 6-9 months. He won't be fit until November-February, split the difference and say transfer window. Then there's fully match fit to consider which generally adds another month to get first team ready. Then match sharpness.
Barely play may have overstated it but I think it'll be the halfway point at earliest before we see him- although as I say I still think he's an asset and if his wages come down it's a worthwhile gamble.

Depends what the cruciate injury is doesn’t it. Do we know what the injury was?

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:10 pm

Happy to see him stay. Proven at that level. Not sure how bad his ACL injury was, but seeing as he continued to play maybe it's not as bad as some ACL injuries can be.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:22 pm

Shaggy wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:07 pm

Such a shame he’s been discarded/mismanaged by Dyche

Don't be ridiculous

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:07 pm
Depends what the cruciate injury is doesn’t it. Do we know what the injury was?

I am no medical expert but it was described as a tear. To my mind that is not as bad as a rupture so maybe recovery and retraining is less than usual. Maybe back for Christmas?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:22 pm

Be great for us, as said above, proven at that level.
Would be happy with this.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:24 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:22 pm
Don't be ridiculous

95% of his posts are just to find a way to get a shot at Dyche- he tells everyone else to move on but seems unable to do so himself. He's not worth responding to, he's only here to get a rise out of people or is a strange, bitter character.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:24 pm

Big gamble but be a good player in Champs if he can get back to full match fitness

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:25 pm

Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:10 pm
Happy to see him stay. Proven at that level. Not sure how bad his ACL injury was, but seeing as he continued to play maybe it's not as bad as some ACL injuries can be.

Firstly, we have to keep him on until he's fit so it might just be that, it's an obligation.

Regarding an ACL and playing on. Frank Casper did his at Leeds and played a full 90 minutes a week later in the FA Cup semi-final. That was in March 1974 and he didn't play again until October 1975, some 17 months later. His career came to an end three months later.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:27 pm

Down_Rover wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:22 pm
I am no medical expert but it was described as a tear. To my mind that is not as bad as a rupture so maybe recovery and retraining is less than usual. Maybe back for Christmas?

My understanding is a rupture and tear are fundamentally the same thing but the former is sometimes colloquially used to mean a bad/more visibly obvious tear. But also far from an expert.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:25 pm
Firstly, we have to keep him on until he's fit so it might just be that, it's an obligation.

Regarding an ACL and playing on. Frank Casper did his at Leeds and played a full 90 minutes a week later in the FA Cup semi-final. That was in March 1974 and he didn't play again until October 1975, some 17 months later. His career came to an end three months later.

I'd like to think that medical science and player conditioning has come a long way in the last 47 years

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:34 pm

Goobs wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:32 pm
I'd like to think that medical science and player conditioning has come a long way in the last 47 years

I'm certain it has - Mick Doc suffered an ACL and it was rare for anyone then to come back and play as long as he did. I was just pointing out that Frank did his and played a week later. And what a blow it was losing him too, a player of his quality.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:42 pm

Was it Steve Thompson that did his at Bristol City and carried on a while and said his knee was like rubber?

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:43 pm

Shaggy wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:07 pm
Good, a good player especially at this level and a good partner to WW.

Such a shame he’s been discarded/mismanaged by Dyche

He scored 8 in 80 appearances (granted probably 60% as sub). He didn't paly much because he didn't scores much. Dyche always seemed pretty respectful of him in jnterviews (especially in the latter 2 years) and whilst I'm sure Vyds thinks he should have played more that's hardly mismanagement.

Just for context his stats ...

Burnley (EPL) 4 seasons 82 appearances 8 goals 7 assists
Derby (champ) 2 seasosb 75 appearances 26 goals 5 assists
Watford (champ) 1 season 42 appearances 16 goals 5 assists
Reading (champ) 1 season 31 appearances 3 goals 3 assists

It's decent but he scored 20 once in 2017/18. He would score for us but set the pace on fire? I doubt it

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:52 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:43 pm
He scored 8 in 80 appearances (granted probably 60% as sub). He didn't paly much because he didn't scores much. Dyche always seemed pretty respectful of him in jnterviews (especially in the latter 2 years) and whilst I'm sure Vyds thinks he should have played more that's hardly mismanagement.

Just for context his stats ...

Burnley (EPL) 4 seasons 82 appearances 8 goals 7 assists
Derby (champ) 2 seasosb 75 appearances 26 goals 5 assists
Watford (champ) 1 season 42 appearances 16 goals 5 assists
Reading (champ) 1 season 31 appearances 3 goals 3 assists

It's decent but he scored 20 once in 2017/18. He would score for us but set the pace on fire? I doubt it

I remember a post match where Dyche was doing his usual waiting game to make any sub and finally Vydra was subbed on to a huge cheer from the travelling away support and he said something along the lines of "you'd have thought Vyds was banging them in on a regular basis" which is a bit disrespectful.

I would be interested to see his total minutes rather than appearances. Many of those 82 would have been 5 minutes on the pitch max.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:54 pm

Sorry - there's the loan season at Watdord too in 12/1÷ where he bagged 20 in 36.

It is decent enough and he would be worth an extension without injury but I'm not convinced if he has an ACL. He'll miss a lot of that 2 years to start and I think a good chance he won't be as effective post injury. It's a big gamble for a side that has to cut its cloth neatly

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Wed May 25, 2022 4:55 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:43 pm
He scored 8 in 80 appearances (granted probably 60% as sub). He didn't paly much because he didn't scores much. Dyche always seemed pretty respectful of him in jnterviews (especially in the latter 2 years) and whilst I'm sure Vyds thinks he should have played more that's hardly mismanagement.

Just for context his stats ...

Burnley (EPL) 4 seasons 82 appearances 8 goals 7 assists
Derby (champ) 2 seasosb 75 appearances 26 goals 5 assists
Watford (champ) 1 season 42 appearances 16 goals 5 assists
Reading (champ) 1 season 31 appearances 3 goals 3 assists

It's decent but he scored 20 once in 2017/18. He would score for us but set the pace on fire? I doubt it

When stating he scored 8 in 80 it’s probably better to look at minutes per goal, as a vast majority of those 80 were not starts and there will be quite a few that were 5 minutes at the end - not really fair to list that.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Wed May 25, 2022 5:23 pm

If its a small tear and no operation just allowing time to heal , it is minimum 6 month bizarrely if its operated on its 8-9 months

fanzone · Post by **fanzone** » Wed May 25, 2022 5:31 pm

We must have money to burn

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Wed May 25, 2022 5:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:22 pm
Don't be ridiculous

He was never used correctly by Dyche. Almost as if he was scouted and signed by A N other at the club and not Dyche.

Coming on in the last throw of a game isn’t using our only Pacey player effectively. He wouldn’t/couldn’t change though and it cost him his job and is our place in the top league.

Hopefully Vydra makes a full recovery and starts bagging them for us.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 25, 2022 6:00 pm

Shaggy wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 5:44 pm
He was never used correctly by Dyche. Almost as if he was scouted and signed by A N other at the club and not Dyche.

Exactly what did happen

Blakesboots · Post by **Blakesboots** » Wed May 25, 2022 6:25 pm

Great news!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed May 25, 2022 6:28 pm

If this is right it is great news ... Championship top scorer with Derby...

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Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Wed May 25, 2022 6:42 pm

I did my left one in 1998 and my right in 2019. Only had the reconstruction on my right in January this year and the recovery compared to the previous is remarkable. I’d expect him to be back to his previous level and in the championship that would be fantastic.

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Wed May 25, 2022 6:50 pm

"It's decent but he scored 20 once in 2017/18. He would score for us but set the pace on fire?".

Babylon - if he doesn't get a contract he might set Pace on fire

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed May 25, 2022 6:55 pm

Good news I think, my hesitation is mainly due to his injury, but if he's available for the second half of this campaign it's probably worth a calculated gamble, bearing in mind we're likely looking at £5-10m for a similar replacement, and I'm assuming his wages will be far lower now in line with the rest of the squad upon relegation.

Don't forget Cornet is odds on to leave, so Vydra is the one forward we have with an element of pace to his game, allied with his clever runs, and ability to stretch defences.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed May 25, 2022 7:10 pm

It’s a shame he can’t start next season fully fit because I’d have him in our starting eleven.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed May 25, 2022 7:16 pm

I'd have been happy to keep him, especially in the championship, but with his long term injury I'm extremely surprised tbh and if it had been up to me I wouldn't have renewed him purely because of that. Having said that, I'm sure someone on here last week alluded to obligations clubs have to injured players which meant you couldn't just pack them off to fend for themselves, even if they were ooc, until you'd helped them get fit. I'm not sure about that though, even if morally it might be the right thing to do.

jos · Post by **jos** » Wed May 25, 2022 7:32 pm

Good, I hope he does.

dushanbe · Post by **dushanbe** » Wed May 25, 2022 7:35 pm

It’s highly unusual, but in his book, Pat Nevin describes coming back from an ACL in under 3 months.

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Thu May 26, 2022 12:22 am

Tony made the point that the club has an obligation (I think at least a moral obligation) to offer to keep him until his injury heals. The lad has my best wishes for a speedy, total recovery.

Enola Gay · Post by **Enola Gay** » Thu May 26, 2022 12:35 am

dushanbe wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 7:35 pm
It’s highly unusual, but in his book, Pat Nevin describes coming back from an ACL in under 3 months.

If it’s the book “In My Head Son” (essential reading, by the way) he also says he was on the pitch realising he was nowhere near ready to be there and one tackle could have finished him.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu May 26, 2022 12:54 am

Great news. Will be like having a quality Janurary signing waiting in the wings. And I'm not even being facetious in that 'will be like a new signing' way

I just hope we don't go into the season one striker light because of it. We really need to hit the ground running.
We've also seen players not always return to their pre-injury peak so no guarantee he comes back the player he was. Still pleased though, much rather he stays than goes.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu May 26, 2022 5:28 am

Good news ,Sean's Achilles was always his strange reluctance to play Vyds even as an impact sub.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu May 26, 2022 6:23 am

I remember an interview Vydra did with a Czech journalist.
Part of it read along the lines of:

"The gaffa told me when I signed that he wanted me because I was something different to what Burnley already had, but now he doesn't pick me".

He was clearly upset he wasn't really getting much of a chance, but those don't sound like words Dyche would say about a player he didn't want.

It was also kinda bizarre when Dyche mocked the fans for wanting him to play. Who mocks fans at the expense of a player? A manager should want his players to be applauded.

I think Dyche (crew et al) grew to dislike him due to his lack of work ethic. The entire team was also set up to compliment Wood and we didn't really change our style of play often enough when Vydra did feature.

I think these kind of things do add up in the end. Same with Gibson players do get unsettled and they do talk amongst themselves. I'm pretty sure Vydra and Rodriguez were two players unhappy about their chances under Dyche that both have renewed hope now.

Dyche was fantastic for us, but I do think his man management of certain characters could improve.

I'd personally like to see Weghorst stay and play with Vydra but sadly Weghorst will likely move on and Vydra won't have much time to develop a partnership with him due to his injury anyway.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Thu May 26, 2022 9:16 am

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Thu May 26, 2022 5:28 am
Good news ,Sean's Achilles was always his strange reluctance to play Vyds even as an impact sub.

And from what has been posted previously i can only presume this was down to Vydra being signed by someone other than Sean. Got to be one of Rigg or Garlick you would guess......

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu May 26, 2022 9:35 am

Garlick signed him as we couldn't get Dyche's first choice Jay Rod.

Dyche didn't play any of the players Garlick signed.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu May 26, 2022 9:44 am

Would suggest Dyche would struggle to work under a director of football long term.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Thu May 26, 2022 9:58 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu May 26, 2022 9:44 am
Would suggest Dyche would struggle to work under a director of football long term.

And i think one of the reasons he was with us for so long is that he knew that no other club would have allowed him the power and influence he had at Burnley. Not that i am saying it was a bad thing, he did a hell of a lot of good for our club, but that sort of power over so many areas of a club are very few and far between.

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Thu May 26, 2022 10:17 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu May 26, 2022 9:35 am
Garlick signed him as we couldn't get Dyche's first choice Jay Rod.

Dyche didn't play any of the players Garlick signed.

Jay was not Dyche's first choice, ever. He wasn't against signing Jay but he questioned if it was more of a sentimental decision. This showed (similarly to Vydra) in how Jay was used. He only got in the team when Barnes was injured or Wood were injured. Subbed off early, dropped despite playing well etc etc.

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Thu May 26, 2022 10:22 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Wed May 25, 2022 4:55 pm
When stating he scored 8 in 80 it’s probably better to look at minutes per goal, as a vast majority of those 80 were not starts and there will be quite a few that were 5 minutes at the end - not really fair to list that.

from Tranfermarkt

apps 82
mins 3157
Goals 8
Assists 7

average 38 mins per appearance
1 goal every 395 mins or 4.4 matches
goal or assist every 210 mins or 2.3 matches

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu May 26, 2022 10:31 am

Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑
Thu May 26, 2022 10:22 am
from Tranfermarkt

apps 82
mins 3157
Goals 8
Assists 7

average 38 mins per appearance
1 goal every 395 mins or 4.4 matches
goal or assist every 210 mins or 2.3 matches

Nice work.

See that goal or assist every 2.3 matches is actually pretty decent.

I’ve always thought with Vydra, while he’s never going to be prolific, he brings a lot of value to the team’s overall play. Goal or assist every 2.3 games in the Prem, imagine in the Champ (if he can get fit and firing again).

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu May 26, 2022 10:44 am

Well done the club for offering the 2 year deal, whilst one season likely to be missed.

Hope the wages are decent.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Thu May 26, 2022 10:54 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Thu May 26, 2022 10:31 am
Nice work.

See that goal or assist every 2.3 matches is actually pretty decent.

I’ve always thought with Vydra, while he’s never going to be prolific, he brings a lot of value to the team’s overall play. Goal or assist every 2.3 games in the Prem, imagine in the Champ (if he can get fit and firing again).

The one thing that Vydra brought to the team was forcing the opposition to defend deeper. When we played Wood, Barnes or Jay they could hold a high line knowing we had no pace to run onto a through ball. Vydra has some pace and therefore they cannot hold as high a line.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu May 26, 2022 10:57 am

Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑
Thu May 26, 2022 10:17 am
Jay was not Dyche's first choice, ever. He wasn't against signing Jay but he questioned if it was more of a sentimental decision. This showed (similarly to Vydra) in how Jay was used. He only got in the team when Barnes was injured or Wood were injured. Subbed off early, dropped despite playing well etc etc.

Who do you think wanted him here so badly then? We chased him over 2 seasons.

I ruled out Garlick getting him behind Dyche's back because I sat next to the chairman in the away end at WBA (Barnes overhead kick game) and he wasn't impressed with JayRod at at all, saying he wasn't the same player anymore.
I told him, it was hard for him, in the fact WBA looked like a club just waiting to be relegated.

Maybe the other board members wanted him if you think sentimental?