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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Fri May 27, 2022 9:14 pm

Where has Nathan Collins said he wants to leave?

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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Fri May 27, 2022 9:14 pm

Where have you read Wout is disillusioned?

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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Fri May 27, 2022 9:14 pm

How do you know Cornet has never settled?

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by DCWat » Fri May 27, 2022 9:15 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:12 pm
Okay. Expect out of contract players to go but…Nathan Collins?…looks like he wants out as well. Cornet never really settled, Wout is disillusioned,
Massive respect to Tarks and Pope, proper loyalty but need to move back to Premier League club. Many thanks for your service.
Ben Mee will stay…he is Claret through and through.
Have doubts about Charlie T and Matt L staying as well.
Where the f…. C. K do we go from here???
You’ve a lot of inside knowledge there - or you’ve made a lot of assumptions.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Fri May 27, 2022 9:17 pm

What's Collins said about wanting out? All I've seen is speculation about other clubs wanting to sign him, but I've not read anything about him wanting out. Anyhow, he's under contract until 2025.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Fri May 27, 2022 9:18 pm

In fact I shall repeat what I said to another poster last week.

If I ever think of anything that is really dumb...I say it aloud a couple of times...realise just how dumb I will look if I say it. Usually then delete my post and decide just to read for a little bit rather than let everyone see what an absolute weapon I am
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Post by KRBFC » Fri May 27, 2022 9:18 pm

As far as I'm concerned, they can all go providing they are replaced, mass exodus and reset is needed to progress. Am I supposed to be bothered if Taylor and Lowton leave? Lowton isn't first choice and Taylor has been rank bad for the last 2 years, arguably our worst player last season. Brownhill isn't PL quality, we've seen it, we want to be a PL club, we need potentially PL players.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri May 27, 2022 9:20 pm

Put your can of cider down.

You have had enough sunshine.
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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Billy Balfour » Fri May 27, 2022 9:20 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:18 pm
In fact I shall repeat what I said to another poster last week.

If I ever think of anything that is really dumb...I say it aloud a couple of times...realise just how dumb I will look if I say it. Usually, then delete my post and decide just to read for a little bit rather than let everyone see what an absolute weapon I am
I wish I'd done this before asking the OP to back up his statement.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Zlatan » Fri May 27, 2022 9:21 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:15 pm
You’ve a lot of inside knowledge there - or you’ve made a lot of assumptions.
It’s the latter, I’d wager
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Post by AwayClaret » Fri May 27, 2022 9:23 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:15 pm
You’ve a lot of inside knowledge there - or you’ve made a lot of b0llocks up.
Corrected that for you.
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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by DCWat » Fri May 27, 2022 9:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:18 pm
As far as I'm concerned, they can all go providing they are replaced, mass exodus and reset is needed to progress. Am I supposed to be bothered if Taylor and Lowton leave? Lowton isn't first choice and Taylor has been rank bad for the last 2 years, arguably our worst player last season. Brownhill isn't PL quality, we've seen it, we want to be a PL club, we need potentially PL players.
I can see why we might let Cornet, Weghorst or even McNeil go but I’d be busting a gut to keep Collins, particularly. His value is going to rise far higher than any of the others on our books, in my eyes.

I get your point on Taylor but if it’s doable, I’d be looking to retain our defence, ideally including Pope, and build from a pretty solid base.
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Post by NewClaret » Fri May 27, 2022 9:30 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:20 pm
Put your can of cider down.

You have had enough sunshine.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Happens to the best of us

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by KRBFC » Fri May 27, 2022 9:33 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:26 pm
I can see why we might let Cornet, Weghorst or even McNeil go but I’d be busting a gut to keep Collins, particularly. His value is going to rise far higher than any of the others on our books, in my eyes.

I get your point on Taylor but if it’s doable, I’d be looking to retain our defence, ideally including Pope, and build from a pretty solid base.
I think Collins will go right to the very top and I never said that about Keane or Tarkowski, he has the attributes required the other two lack. I think Roberts, Mee, Pope, Collins will offer a ton in the Championship. £30m+ and Collins can go for me. Of course I'd love Cornet and Pope to stay but I don't expect that to happen realistically, although I think Cornet would be better staying here for his career.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Neil » Fri May 27, 2022 9:35 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:26 pm
I can see why we might let Cornet, Weghorst or even McNeil go but I’d be busting a gut to keep Collins, particularly. His value is going to rise far higher than any of the others on our books, in my eyes.

I get your point on Taylor but if it’s doable, I’d be looking to retain our defence, ideally including Pope, and build from a pretty solid base.
If we start with the same defence next season it's a really strong base. Especially as you say if Pope is part of it. That defence has shut down a lot of top teams and would have been plenty good enough to keep us up if the midfield and forwards had done their part.
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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Zlatan » Fri May 27, 2022 9:36 pm

I agree that Cornet should stay for the sake of his career. He’s not quite the finished article for me. Year in the championship for us creating and scoring will do him the world of good if he had any sense

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 27, 2022 9:38 pm

Let's just keep our heads and see what develops over the next couple of months, some will move on, but we have to retain a solid core to allow a viable rebuild, if we get rid of everyone that's asking for trouble, firstly how on earth are replacing most of our starting XI, secondly if we change virtually the entire squad it's asking an awful lot of Kompany to get them gelling in a few short weeks.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Blakesboots » Fri May 27, 2022 9:41 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:12 pm
Okay. Expect out of contract players to go but…Nathan Collins?…looks like he wants out as well. Cornet never really settled, Wout is disillusioned,
Massive respect to Tarks and Pope, proper loyalty but need to move back to Premier League club. Many thanks for your service.
Ben Mee will stay…he is Claret through and through.
Have doubts about Charlie T and Matt L staying as well.
Where the f…. C. K do we go from here???
Christ on a bike!

I can say 90% of this totally off the mark!

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri May 27, 2022 9:42 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:41 pm
Christ on a bike!

I can say 90% of this totally off the mark!
Genuinely think this is Alan Pace haha

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Post by Elbarad » Fri May 27, 2022 10:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:42 pm
Genuinely think this is Alan Pace haha
Pace wouldn’t use the Lord’s name in vain.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri May 27, 2022 10:37 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:42 pm
Genuinely think this is Alan Pace haha
No it's not.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri May 27, 2022 10:38 pm

I agree with KRBFC, if they want to go get it sorted ASAP.
There's plenty of players who would love the chance to replace them.
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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri May 27, 2022 10:40 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 10:37 pm
No it's not.
Certainly acts like it

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by bf2k » Fri May 27, 2022 11:14 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:12 pm
Okay. Expect out of contract players to go but…Nathan Collins?…looks like he wants out as well. Cornet never really settled, Wout is disillusioned,
Massive respect to Tarks and Pope, proper loyalty but need to move back to Premier League club. Many thanks for your service.
Ben Mee will stay…he is Claret through and through.
Have doubts about Charlie T and Matt L staying as well.
Where the f…. C. K do we go from here???
I call bullshit and that you know nothing

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by KRBFC » Fri May 27, 2022 11:23 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:36 pm
I agree that Cornet should stay for the sake of his career. He’s not quite the finished article for me. Year in the championship for us creating and scoring will do him the world of good if he had any sense
He's was also threw out to left back at Lyon, he said in an interview he enjoys the role at Burnley considerably more. There's no guarantee at another PL club he starts every week and starts in his wanted position. For his career he'd absolutely be better off staying for a year, not that I think he will when a nice payrise is put infront of him.

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Post by longsidetrumpet » Fri May 27, 2022 11:25 pm

Deffo a load of ********. I’ve noticed the OP is a definite attention seeker, and knows nowt about owt
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Post by DCWat » Fri May 27, 2022 11:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:33 pm
I think Collins will go right to the very top and I never said that about Keane or Tarkowski, he has the attributes required the other two lack. I think Roberts, Mee, Pope, Collins will offer a ton in the Championship. £30m+ and Collins can go for me. Of course I'd love Cornet and Pope to stay but I don't expect that to happen realistically, although I think Cornet would be better staying here for his career.
I genuinely think that Collins will, should we keep him, command a far, far bigger fee, in a few years. That’s kind of scuppered if there’s a release clause, if not, hold on to him and earn way more from his sale.

What did United pay for Maguire?

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Post by KRBFC » Fri May 27, 2022 11:30 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:28 pm
I genuinely think that Collins will, should we keep him, command a far, far bigger fee, in a few years. That’s kind of scuppered if there’s a release clause, if not, hold on to him and earn way more from his sale.

What did United pay for Maguire?
I do agree but it depends on the fee we're talking about now. We need money for debts and a serious rebuild, I'm surprised most fans seem content with basically keeping the same players, I'm bored of watching these players honestly.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by DCWat » Fri May 27, 2022 11:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:30 pm
I do agree but it depends on the fee we're talking about now. We need money for debts and a serious rebuild, I'm surprised most fans seem content with basically keeping the same players, I'm bored of watching these players honestly.
Collins can’t be in that bracket - I’d be excited to see him develop further with us.

I completely get where you’re coming from with the style and some of the players, but that shouldn’t be including the ones that have massive potential.

Players like Collins are should be exactly what we want to be seeing.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by KRBFC » Fri May 27, 2022 11:36 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:35 pm
Collins can’t be in that bracket - I’d be excited to see him develop further with us.

I completely get where you’re coming from with the style and some of the players, but that shouldn’t be including the ones that have massive potential.

Players like Collins are should be exactly what we want to be seeing.
I agree with you on everything, I only said Collins can go because the big fee we'll likely get will go along way to rebuilding.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri May 27, 2022 11:37 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:35 pm
Collins can’t be in that bracket - I’d be excited to see him develop further with us.

I completely get where you’re coming from with the style and some of the players, but that shouldn’t be including the ones that have massive potential.

Players like Collins are should be exactly what we want to be seeing.
Whilst I agree about Collins, if there's a hint that he'd rather be off then so be it. (not that i know of any discontent).

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Post by DCWat » Fri May 27, 2022 11:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:36 pm
I agree with you on everything, I only said Collins can go because the big fee we'll likely get will go along way to rebuilding.
It likely would, I just think that keeping him longer, if possible, may be a bigger benefit. We’d earn more from a later sale and stand a greater chance of promotion by having him in the team, this season.

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:37 pm
Whilst I agree about Collins, if there's a hint that he'd rather be off then so be it. (not that i know of any discontent).
If he makes noises to leave, I’d agree. Player power generally wins the day. I’m hoping he might at least give us another season and see from there.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat May 28, 2022 12:06 am

KRBFC wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:30 pm
I do agree but it depends on the fee we're talking about now. We need money for debts and a serious rebuild, I'm surprised most fans seem content with basically keeping the same players, I'm bored of watching these players honestly.
Most of the current players would be battle hardened for the championship which we need if we are to succeed.
We need younger players no doubt, but if Richardson came in with Dwight and Collins in the team then that might be enough. Maybe a young CM? We certainly can't play 7 or 8 youngsters at once.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat May 28, 2022 12:42 am

Ignoring all the nonsense of which city players we can get on loan, there must be a huge benefit for Collins to stay and be coached by VK, at least for a year.

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Post by Damo » Sat May 28, 2022 12:42 am

Imagine posting an op like that then not replying.
Absolute clown
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Post by Damo » Sat May 28, 2022 12:48 am

We are unfortunately going to have to put up with nonsense like this until the new season starts.
The moderators are going to have their work cut out

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Post by Commy » Sat May 28, 2022 1:30 am

There is always paper talk about teams being after the best relegated players but other teams relegated in the past have managed to keep some of theirs, Sarr at Watford being one. He was going everywhere when they went down. Norwich have only sold one or two but managed to keep other good players. Not sure if Fulham sold anyone but the lad they got from Bristol City is quality.

Pope said he loves it at Burnley so who's to say he doesn't want to stay. Every time I read about someone wanting him it is as backup. He won't want that if he wants to stay in the England team.

Same with Collins. Teams want his potential so is he going to play? Just broken into the National team.

They might leave but they might also think they are better off staying put for a season, or at least until Jan to see where we are.

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Post by ElectroClaret » Sat May 28, 2022 1:34 am

Shut the f**k up unless you've got quotes or some other evidence for your claims.

If not, button it.

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Post by Garnerssoap » Sat May 28, 2022 1:42 am

Collins off to NBA. Done deal

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat May 28, 2022 4:39 am

We put a £50m price tag on Collins he's a class act and can only get better.

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Post by wilks_bfc » Sat May 28, 2022 8:10 am

Damo wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 12:42 am
Imagine posting an op like that then not replying.
Absolute clown
I refer these kind of opening posts as “fireworks”

Light the fuse and stand well back

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Post by Tinribs » Sat May 28, 2022 8:16 am

Ignore the OP he’s a sad wovers Fan,nice try pal

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat May 28, 2022 8:35 am

He's posted 16 times since registering last year

I'm not saying he's on this board for reasons like he supports another team, or that he probably spends way too much time in stables, but its very unlikely the OP is a Burnley fan
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Post by JohnMcGreal » Sat May 28, 2022 8:42 am

Zlatan wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:36 pm
I agree that Cornet should stay for the sake of his career. He’s not quite the finished article for me. Year in the championship for us creating and scoring will do him the world of good if he had any sense
Maxwell Cornet is about to turn 26 years old. He has over 180 appearances in the French top flight with Lyon, whilst managing to reach the Champions League semi-final. He has almost 30 international caps for the Ivory Coast.

Why on earth would anyone think he needs a season in the English second tier?

I'd love him to stay, but I can't see it happening.
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Post by warksclaret » Sat May 28, 2022 8:46 am

We have to get smarter with recruitment-its not always about paying big fees.We were very good at it until around 3 years ago, that way if we are offered loads of money for someone we can at least consider the move. We bought some very good players in the early years( De Four), secured loans (Keane/Kightly)and free transfers (Arfield/Heaton/Barton).

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat May 28, 2022 9:08 am

warksclaret wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 8:46 am
We have to get smarter with recruitment-its not always about paying big fees.We were very good at it until around 3 years ago, that way if we are offered loads of money for someone we can at least consider the move. We bought some very good players in the early years( De Four), secured loans (Keane/Kightly)and free transfers (Arfield/Heaton/Barton).
The problem was we always predominantly shopped in the UK market. This worked for us for several years, but towards the end of the last decade, that market got away from us and signings like Pope, Keane, Tarks which had been going for sub 5m, suddenly cost way way more. I long held the belief that while we were in the PL, the scouting network should have been expanded to beyond our shores, but this was in direct conflict with the stereotypical Dyche type of signings. This resulted in the conveyor belt drying up, the signings became signings to ‘get us through another season’ (old pros with zero resale value) and we are left where we are. ALK came in for me a season too late, but better late than never as we finally be appearing to shift our focus to the right markets and back to players who offer resale value. That’s not to say we don’t need experienced pros too, we absolutely do but the balance had been tipped too far towards this. Kompanys job now is to rebrand us, improve on the style, get that conveyor belt back up and running again and hopefully return us to the PL.

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Post by boatshed bill » Sat May 28, 2022 9:24 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 9:08 am
The problem was we always predominantly shopped in the UK market. This worked for us for several years, but towards the end of the last decade, that market got away from us and signings like Pope, Keane, Tarks which had been going for sub 5m, suddenly cost way way more. I long held the belief that while we were in the PL, the scouting network should have been expanded to beyond our shores, but this was in direct conflict with the stereotypical Dyche type of signings. This resulted in the conveyor belt drying up, the signings became signings to ‘get us through another season’ (old pros with zero resale value) and we are left where we are. ALK came in for me a season too late, but better late than never as we finally be appearing to shift our focus to the right markets and back to players who offer resale value. That’s not to say we don’t need experienced pros too, we absolutely do but the balance had been tipped too far towards this. Kompanys job now is to rebrand us, improve on the style, get that conveyor belt back up and running again and hopefully return us to the PL.
True, but we also failed to sell players at the top of their value.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by Stayingup » Sat May 28, 2022 9:38 am

It Is What It Is wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 9:12 pm
Okay. Expect out of contract players to go but…Nathan Collins?…looks like he wants out as well. Cornet never really settled, Wout is disillusioned,
Massive respect to Tarks and Pope, proper loyalty but need to move back to Premier League club. Many thanks for your service.
Ben Mee will stay…he is Claret through and through.
Have doubts about Charlie T and Matt L staying as well.
Where the f…. C. K do we go from here???
No it isnt.

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Re: Mass exodus!!!

Post by COBBLE » Sat May 28, 2022 2:29 pm

If there is a mass exodus of contracted players it will be at a price that suits the club and recruitment needs of the new manager. Bigger reset that's all

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