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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 30, 2022 4:08 pm
Jamesy wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 4:05 pm
Yes I had already got the gist of your post. It’s just that bit harder to get investment when we are not a Premier League club anymore. Let’s see what Pace comes up with if anything.
So clubs in the championship find it harder to get new investment because they're not in the PL?
That's clearly wrong.
Interesting that so many of you are of the mindset from the off that the owners will do nothing, you must all lead some depressing lives if that's your outlook
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by eastcoastclaret » Mon May 30, 2022 4:12 pm
It seems some of our fans want us to fail, I can't get my head around that.
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by Jamesy » Mon May 30, 2022 4:18 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 4:08 pm
So clubs in the championship find it harder to get new investment because they're not in the PL?
That's clearly wrong.
Interesting that so many of you are of the mindset from the off that the owners will do nothing, you must all lead some depressing lives if that's your outlook
I don’t lead a depressing life at all. Quite the opposite actually. My outlook on BFC is a little negative at present as I feel the new custodians of our club are chancers, nothing more. Prior to the Newcastle match someone well connected to the club told me in our Lounge in the BL that Pace had been in Vietnam the previous week desperately seeking new backers. This was prior to us being relegated.
I only joined this thread earlier to point out that Kompany hadn’t joined us yet and we were discussing his supposed tactics. I do think Kompany will become our manager if he is given assurances on funds available. However, that appears dependent on what funds Pace can attract. Sorry I am not a blind optimist.
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by Jamesy » Mon May 30, 2022 4:24 pm
eastcoastclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 4:12 pm
It seems some of our fans want us to fail, I can't get my head around that.
How do you arrive at that conclusion? I don’t want the club to fail at all I am just pointing out that Kompany hasn’t been appointed yet and time is ticking. With any negotiations the longer they rumble on, the more doubt sets in.
Let’s hope it’s announced tomorrow that he is the new manager, then you can have a go at people you perceive to be negative like me.
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by arise_sir_charge » Mon May 30, 2022 4:30 pm
So let me get this right, you think that Kompany will only accept the job if we have a new investor?
So to get the manager we want we also need to attract multi million pound investment?
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by Jamesy » Mon May 30, 2022 4:39 pm
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 4:30 pm
So let me get this right, you think that Kompany will only accept the job if we have a new investor?
So to get the manager we want we also need to attract multi million pound investment?
I said he will want assurances on funding available. Whether Pace can give him these assurances with or without investment only Pace knows. I do know though that Pace is actively seeking investment to probably service the current debt and to give us a decent tilt at a swift return to the Premier League.
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by spt_claret » Mon May 30, 2022 4:39 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 4:08 pm
So clubs in the championship find it harder to get new investment because they're not in the PL?
That's clearly wrong.
This is not remotely a comment on ALK or their much documented (on here) efforts to source new investment but it is unquestionably harder to get investment outside the PL and everyone in football would agree.
The premier league offers orders of magnitude greater exposure, public/brand awareness, revenue potential and marketing & networking opportunities. All of these matter enormously to anyone investing as a commercial opportunity rather than vanity project.
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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 30, 2022 5:24 pm
spt_claret wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 4:39 pm
This is not remotely a comment on ALK or their much documented (on here) efforts to source new investment but it is unquestionably harder to get investment outside the PL and everyone in football would agree.
The premier league offers orders of magnitude greater exposure, public/brand awareness, revenue potential and marketing & networking opportunities. All of these matter enormously to anyone investing as a commercial opportunity rather than vanity project.
You're preaching at someone who's banged the drum about how we under utilised our time in the PL to grow the brand of Burnley FC
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by spt_claret » Mon May 30, 2022 5:27 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 5:24 pm
You're preaching at someone who's banged the drum about how we under utilised our time in the PL to grow the brand of Burnley FC
No arguments there. I genuinely felt like Sean Dyche and neutral fans' memes did better at marketing us than the marketing team.
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by Murger » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:40 am
My head hurts after reading that. What's a 'left half-space' for example?
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by RVclaret » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:52 am
Murger wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:40 am
My head hurts after reading that. What's a 'left half-space' for example?
The inside channel between full back and centre half, but just infront of them rather than behind. Think Kevin de Bruyne at City, operates always in the right half space, and killed us at the home game there.
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by Murger » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:56 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:52 am
The inside channel between full back and centre half, but just infront of them rather than behind. Think Kevin de Bruyne at City, operates always in the right half space, and killed us at the home game there.
This is gonna take some getting used too.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:57 am
Can’t wait to see Barnes learn these new tactics haha
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by Quickenthetempo » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:01 pm
Is everyone just expecting Kompany to install everything of his own beliefs and get rid of anyone who doesn't suit them?
Or a balance of his beliefs and what our current players are good at?
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by RVclaret » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:04 pm
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:01 pm
Is everyone just expecting Kompany to install everything of his own beliefs and get rid of anyone who doesn't suit them?
Or a balance of his beliefs and what our current players are good at?
Think a bit of both, but could also depends on what business we do. The good thing is the shape off the ball is basically 4-4-2, something the current players are very used to.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:05 pm
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:01 pm
Is everyone just expecting Kompany to install everything of his own beliefs and get rid of anyone who doesn't suit them?
Or a balance of his beliefs and what our current players are good at?
Who knows? I imagine a bit of both. I can’t see many of the existing squad suiting his style so I imagine he will have to adapt.
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by taio » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:07 pm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:05 pm
Who knows? I imagine a bit of both. I can’t see many of the existing squad suiting his style so I imagine he will have to adapt.
Much easier to adapt our style in the Championship for obvious reasons.
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by elwaclaret » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:07 pm
Murger wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:40 am
My head hurts after reading that. What's a 'left half-space' for example?
In old money the left/right half positions were more advanced than the centre halves (space between full backs and wings), more like wing-back positions than the full back of the flat back four.
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by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:00 pm
There was a lot more to Dyche's system than a setting them up in a 4-4-2 and telling them to sit deep and narrow. I think one of the biggest reasons for our success over the past decade has been firstly the manager's ability to give clear and decisive instructions, and secondly the players' abilities to follow these to a tee. It's a reason why he favoured players like Hendrick, Westwood, Lennon etc. despite them not being fan favourites.
So, I suspect that our current players won't have any problems adapting to a new system. Whether they have the physical attributes to do so is a different question.
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by gandhisflipflop » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:10 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:52 am
The inside channel between full back and centre half, but just infront of them rather than behind. Think Kevin de Bruyne at City, operates always in the right half space, and killed us at the home game there.
Otherwise known as a mezzala
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by RVclaret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:18 am
Anyone who was following this thread at the time and read the initial article, did you notice it all come alive last night?
In particular from the article, the ‘subtle tweak to the tactic’ that the author talked about was Roberts dropping to create a 3 man defence in the build up phase.
The width on the right was provided by Costelloe last night. In other games we will see Cullen play that role Roberts did last night in the build up phase, and Roberts would be providing the width.
This image taken from a foreign twitter account which analysed our play last night, shows the positioning in the build up phase, which is all about creating space for Brownhill / Bastien to drift into.
I found it super interesting to see everything the article discussed happening in front of my eyes, quicker than I expected! Looking forward to more.
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by Lancasterclaret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:28 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:18 am
Anyone who was following this thread at the time and read the initial article, did you notice it all come alive last night?
In particular from the article, the ‘subtle tweak to the tactic’ that the author talked about was Roberts dropping to create a 3 man defence in the build up phase.
The width on the right was provided by Costelloe last night. In other games we will see Cullen play that role Roberts did last night in the build up phase, and Roberts would be providing the width.
This image taken from a foreign twitter account which analysed our play last night, shows the positioning in the build up phase, which is all about creating space for Brownhill / Bastien to drift into.
I found it super interesting to see everything the article discussed happening in front of my eyes, quicker than I expected! Looking forward to more.
Connor Roberts is the best lateral-direito we've ever had
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by Clockwork Claret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:49 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:18 am
Anyone who was following this thread at the time and read the initial article, did you notice it all come alive last night?
In particular from the article, the ‘subtle tweak to the tactic’ that the author talked about was Roberts dropping to create a 3 man defence in the build up phase.
The width on the right was provided by Costelloe last night. In other games we will see Cullen play that role Roberts did last night in the build up phase, and Roberts would be providing the width.
This image taken from a foreign twitter account which analysed our play last night, shows the positioning in the build up phase, which is all about creating space for Brownhill / Bastien to drift into.
I found it super interesting to see everything the article discussed happening in front of my eyes, quicker than I expected! Looking forward to more.
You got the link mate?
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by RVclaret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:49 am
Article? It’s on the op of this thread
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by Goalposts » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:01 am
I thought the analysis from way back in may proved very insightful, i think we will only get better. Still need to tweak a few things but on the whole a very exciting journey we are on. But now teams have seen us they will have counter plans. Man mark Cullen ?.. push there own wing backs on ? Play a five man midfield ?
Still need to strengthen, interesting that long didn’t play last night at CB, not sure Charlie is best suited to that.
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by andyh » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:07 am
Goalposts wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:01 am
But now teams have seen us they will have counter plans. Man mark Cullen ?.. push there own wing backs on ? Play a five man midfield ?
Kompany will have considered counters. It will be whether we have the players to adapt to that. Cullen and Cork are experienced where we need it to change if we have to.
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by Tricky Trevor » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:11 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:18 am
In other games we will see Cullen play that role Roberts did last night in the build up phase, and Roberts would be providing the width.
On a couple of occasions Cullen dropped into the middle of the 3 and THB went right. I was delighted how smooth it all looked. Every player, defensively, seemed to know the plan and where the cover was needed. With time it will improve. Excellent opening performance.
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by RVclaret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:12 am
Goalposts wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:01 am
I thought the analysis from way back in may proved very insightful, i think we will only get better. Still need to tweak a few things but on the whole a very exciting journey we are on. But now teams have seen us they will have counter plans. Man mark Cullen ?.. push there own wing backs on ? Play a five man midfield ?
Still need to strengthen, interesting that long didn’t play last night at CB, not sure Charlie is best suited to that.
Not sure Long will feature much if at all, the passing game isn’t really suited IMO. Taylor I thought did very well and has good ability on the ball too. Will be put under more pressure than that though against other teams.
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by Shaggy » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:24 am
andyh wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:07 am
Kompany will have considered counters. It will be whether we have the players to adapt to that. Cullen and Cork are experienced where we need it to change if we have to.
If I was to be concerned it would be the defence however they are reasonably quick and we play with so much of the ball it really doesn’t come under pressure often. A long ball over the top should be dealt with easily as we have the pace to deal
With it.
Once we click we are going to be very difficult to play against. Chasing the ball for long periods of games will tire teams out and we should be looking to score a lot of late goals.
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by Colburn_Claret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:36 am
RVclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:12 am
Not sure Long will feature much if at all, the passing game isn’t really suited IMO. Taylor I thought did very well and has good ability on the ball too. Will be put under more pressure than that though against other teams.
The big difference for Taylor, is he now has an option to square it to a teammate, even if they have players around them, or pass back to the keeper. No need to launch it anymore.
It worked so well last night. Different opposition would maybe press us harder, but because we have that fluidity we can exploit that as well as anyone. It would help with a quicker more agile striker though.
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by Lancasterclaret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:38 am
Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:36 am
The big difference for Taylor, is he now has an option to square it to a teammate, even if they have players around them, or pass back to the keeper. No need to launch it anymore.
It worked so well last night. Different opposition would maybe press us harder, but because we have that fluidity we can exploit that as well as anyone. It would help with a quicker more agile striker though.
Quicker striker means that we could really force their back line back, which frees up more space where we want to play in the middle
Costello actually did a v good job in the first half giving us the width and pace, but a more complete striker than Barnes would certainly help
Jay would be better for starters
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by Stevie Morgan » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:52 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:38 am
Quicker striker means that we could really force their back line back, which frees up more space where we want to play in the middle
Costello actually did a v good job in the first half giving us the width and pace, but a more complete striker than Barnes would certainly help
Jay would be better for starters
Having said that, and I'm someone who would like barnes replaced, the high line yesterday allowed for our midfield to break beyond and get in several times.
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by BabylonClaret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:55 am
We looked very fluid last night although I though the Terriers looked really off the pace first half (maybe we shocked them with how aggressive we were). We will have tougher tests for sure and will we have the steel to keep that going to promotion? Not sure but it's going to o be an interesting and exciting season.
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by Colburn_Claret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:58 am
Stevie Morgan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:52 am
Having said that, and I'm someone who would like barnes replaced, the high line yesterday allowed for our midfield to break beyond and get in several times.
We were allowed to play with a high line because Huddersfield were so poor, I think we are talking about exploiting a team that's pressing us, and turning it to an advantage.
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by fidelcastro » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:04 am
Does anyone actually think we're good enough to rotate the team from game to game, or are we best sticking to a settled, and at present, winning team?
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by Stevie Morgan » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:34 am
Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:58 am
We were allowed to play with a high line because Huddersfield were so poor, I think we are talking about exploiting a team that's pressing us, and turning it to an advantage.
I'm talking about Huddersfields relatively high line due to playing up against Barnes
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by SalisburyClaret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:41 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:57 am
Can’t wait to see Barnes learn these new tactics haha
Yeah the older players like Barnes, Cork and Taylor really stood out as not understanding the new way of playing
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by conyoviejo » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:58 am
SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:41 am
Yeah the older players like Barnes, Cork and Taylor really stood out as not understanding the new way of playing
No they didn't,they fitted in perfect.
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by Top Claret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:02 pm
All the clever clogs on here said that he would play 4 across the back and he did the complete opposite with playing 3 centre halfs and a 3 v 2 midfield, which was nice to see
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by RVclaret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:03 pm
Top Claret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:02 pm
All the clever clogs on here said that he would play 4 across the back and he did the complete opposite with playing 3 centre halfs and a 3 man midfield, which was nice to see
Was still a 4 out of possession, it’s in the build up phase of play when it becomes a 3, that’s pretty much what we were discussing in here and what the article pointed out.
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by taio » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:03 pm
conyoviejo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:58 am
No they didn't,they fitted in perfect.
I think you may have missed the sarcasm
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by taio » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:04 pm
Top Claret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:02 pm
All the clever clogs on here said that he would play 4 across the back and he did the complete opposite with playing 3 centre halfs and a 3 v 2 midfield, which was nice to see
That's incorrect
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by Colburn_Claret » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:47 pm
Stevie Morgan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:34 am
I'm talking about Huddersfields relatively high line due to playing up against Barnes
Got you
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by conyoviejo » Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:13 pm
taio wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:03 pm
I think you may have missed the sarcasm
Yes I did,reminder to oneself to read the whole thread..
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by claretspice » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:00 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:18 am
Anyone who was following this thread at the time and read the initial article, did you notice it all come alive last night?
In particular from the article, the ‘subtle tweak to the tactic’ that the author talked about was Roberts dropping to create a 3 man defence in the build up phase.
The width on the right was provided by Costelloe last night. In other games we will see Cullen play that role Roberts did last night in the build up phase, and Roberts would be providing the width.
This image taken from a foreign twitter account which analysed our play last night, shows the positioning in the build up phase, which is all about creating space for Brownhill / Bastien to drift into.
I found it super interesting to see everything the article discussed happening in front of my eyes, quicker than I expected! Looking forward to more.
Yep. We used both variations at times last night - at times Cork or Cullen dropped in and both fullbacks went, but also at times Roberts tucked in to make a back 3 that way.
One point on full backs. Its very evident from last night that they are absolutely fundamental to this system and the role takes a hell of a lot. I suspect those saying Taylor won't get many games ahead of Maatsen are underestimating the amount of rotation there will be to keep the full backs fresh - just like Pochettino's Spurs, I think its quite likely we'll end up with midweek full backs and Saturday full backs, to keep the energy levels high. That's why we've got 2 top class options on both sides even if Lowton does go.
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by Rileybobs » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:18 am
Just watched the clarets player interviews and wonder whether Kompany will adopt the ‘snip the brand label from the suit jacket sleeve’ tactic for the Luton game.