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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by RVclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:42 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:41 pm
Exciting times!
Funnily enough Connor Roberts actually used this phrase in his interview when discussing the VK appointment
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:42 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:34 pm
Love the idea of hindsight island.

Puzzled why those with negative views often claim that they are being realistic and also claim that those with positive outlooks are not being realistic. Why is this? Are they not comfortable with owning their negative views?
Has anyone seriously said anything negative on this thread?

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:44 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:42 pm
Where have you been this last decade and a half, Newcie? Vincent Kompany played for Man City. He was their captain. He won several trophies with them. He's a little older now and commenced his management career 3 seasons ago in Belgium. Think of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney and Vieira for young managers also starting the careers in football management. Does that help you learn a little about who the club has appointed?

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Yes we have appointed a very inexperienced and young manager.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:45 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:42 pm
Funnily enough Connor Roberts actually used this phrase in his interview when discussing the VK appointment
There we go. The squad are seeing things the way I'm seeing things. That's reason to be positive.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by taio » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:48 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:42 pm
Funnily enough Connor Roberts actually used this phrase in his interview when discussing the VK appointment
Im certain he won't have made it in the context of Pace's purchase of the club and the mechanims used to do so, which was the origin of hilarious strapline that has become familiar on here.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:49 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote:
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Indeed, Burnley not Barcelona, and you may do well to remember that when the club spend £15 million quid on debt incurred to buy shares and not players.

I think most find Kompany an interesting and potentially very promising signing but we haven't played a game yet or even bought a player.

So, "fantastic" is, shall we say, a bit premature - don't you think?
- I am under impression that the offer to buy all shares at was a legal requirement of the takeover. I may be wrong but sure I’ve seen it mentioned several times. In which case it was a necessity not a choice to buy fan shares, should they be willing to sell them.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by RVclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:51 pm

taio wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:48 pm
Im certain he won't have made it in the context of Pace's purchase of the club and the mechanims used to do so, which was the origin of hilarious strapline that has become familiar on here.
I think the comment / ‘strap line’ was originally made in reference to the owners wanting to move the club forward with a fresh, modern vision, rather than looking at the actually business transaction.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by taio » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:54 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:51 pm
I think the comment / ‘strap line’ was originally made in reference to the owners wanting to move the club forward with a fresh, modern vision, rather than looking at the actually business transaction.
I think at one stage it was being made at the end of each post specifically discussing the financial strategy and structure. It was only after it became apparent that many people were taking the **** did it get redefined

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by ClaretPete001 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:58 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:42 pm
Has anyone seriously said anything negative on this thread?
Not really...

We're now back in some nether land where leveraged buy outs and huge debt are a positive progressive thing. Anyway the point has been made. I'll leave this thread to others...

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:10 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:58 pm
Not really...

We're now back in some nether land where leveraged buy outs and huge debt are a positive progressive thing. Anyway the point has been made. I'll leave this thread to others...
You seem to miss the point…. Garlick wanted out, the relationships within the club were strained beyond repair: Garlick and Dyche simply refused to try to resolve them. The club was in a shambles and only going one way.

We needed change and there was no queue along Harry Potts way offering to buy the cub. The deal wasn’t what we would have wished for, but it offered a chance long term to fire the club forward with a new model. We probably benefitted from the takeover with another season on the top table, now we have to see how the board manage the new circumstances.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by ClaretPete001 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:10 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:49 pm
- I am under impression that the offer to buy all shares at was a legal requirement of the takeover. I may be wrong but sure I’ve seen it mentioned several times. In which case it was a necessity not a choice to buy fan shares, should they be willing to sell them.
Are you confusing the recent £15 million to MSD with the £10 million inter-company transfer in the accounts, which some have speculated could be for the fan shares?

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by pushpinpussy » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:18 pm

Well done Alan Pace. Is this a wind up. He sacked the best manager our club ever had. Put an amateur in charge ( with little managerial experience) for the final 6-7 games of the season. Got us relegated from the Premier League in his first full season as owner. He has made more staff redundant and ripped the soul out of the club and the final nail in the coffin is he has put our amazing club in debt and gambled with a rookie manager with no experience of the championship. Yes well done Alan

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Andingle » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:25 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:44 pm
Yes we have appointed a very inexperienced and young manager.
Wasn't Sean Dyche similar?
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by warksclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:25 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:18 pm
Well done Alan Pace. Is this a wind up. He sacked the best manager our club ever had. Put an amateur in charge ( with little managerial experience) for the final 6-7 games of the season. Got us relegated from the Premier League in his first full season as owner. He has made more staff redundant and ripped the soul out of the club and the final nail in the coffin is he has put our amazing club in debt and gambled with a rookie manager with no experience of the championship. Yes well done Alan

Come on PPP-dont sit on the fence

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:32 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:18 pm
Well done Alan Pace. Is this a wind up. He sacked the best manager our club ever had. Put an amateur in charge ( with little managerial experience) for the final 6-7 games of the season. Got us relegated from the Premier League in his first full season as owner. He has made more staff redundant and ripped the soul out of the club and the final nail in the coffin is he has put our amazing club in debt and gambled with a rookie manager with no experience of the championship. Yes well done Alan
I was as shocked as anyone by SD’s sacking, but to pretend all the garden was rosey is a stretch. Jackson got the gig as the change of attitude in the team was immediate. Jackson ultimately fell into the Dyche trap, trying to hold not twist after early promise. What soul was there in he club when the leaders wouldn’t even be in the same room?

Many fans wanted a change of playing approach ( I hoped at the successful seasons conclusion). Vincent Kompany has yet to prove himself in English management but who do you seriously think was desperate to join relegated Burnley with such a big rebuilding job to be done? I think landing VK was just about as good as it could have got after relegation. My only critics would be the time it took, but that was in all likelihood beyond the club to change.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:12 am
Not really sure what Pace has done to deserve praise.

If we get promoted that’s the time for posts like this.
to be fair, if we win the league by ten points someone would complain its not 11
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:35 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:18 pm
Well done Alan Pace. Is this a wind up. He sacked the best manager our club ever had. Put an amateur in charge ( with little managerial experience) for the final 6-7 games of the season. Got us relegated from the Premier League in his first full season as owner. He has made more staff redundant and ripped the soul out of the club and the final nail in the coffin is he has put our amazing club in debt and gambled with a rookie manager with no experience of the championship. Yes well done Alan
He has really ruffled the click at BFC hasn’t he? Well done Pace. If I could be arsed I’d take that post apart, but I can’t really. All I will say is total bullshit.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by It Is What It Is » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:37 pm

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Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:42 pm
Where have you been this last decade and a half, Newcie? Vincent Kompany played for Man City. He was their captain. He won several trophies with them. He's a little older now and commenced his management career 3 seasons ago in Belgium. Think of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney and Vieira for young managers also starting the careers in football management. Does that help you learn a little about who the club has appointed?

UTC
Yes..totally agree PW.
Newcastle C. would have rather had Farke!!! Even Norwich sacked him!!
Oh Well... entitled to his opinion however misguided.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:37 pm

Andingle wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:25 pm
Wasn't Sean Dyche similar?
Yes he was

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:39 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:37 pm
Yes..totally agree PW.
Newcastle C. would have rather had Farke!!! Even Norwich sacked him!!
Oh Well... entitled to his opinion however misguided.
With Paces record for sackings this lad might not have long before he’s sacked as well

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by AwayClaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:49 pm

How many has he sacked?

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:58 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:49 pm
How many has he sacked?
I’m sure someone will be able to post the article. I think the better question is who hasn’t he sacked

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:00 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:58 pm
I’m sure someone will be able to post the article. I think the better question is who hasn’t he sacked
And you know the circumstances of each sacking, or are you assuming to?
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:03 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:00 pm
And you know the circumstances of each sacking, or are you assuming to?
Nope couldn’t care less about the circumstances. The facts are they went under his stewardship

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:08 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:03 pm
Nope couldn’t care less about the circumstances. The facts are they went under his stewardship
If you don’t have that information how can you make such a charge against them? Ignorance is bliss eh… when your agenda is deemed more important, is that it?

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by AwayClaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:11 pm

Foe is your friend 😃

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:26 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:58 pm
I’m sure someone will be able to post the article. I think the better question is who hasn’t he sacked
What was that you posted about "negativity?"

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:28 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:26 pm
What was that you posted about "negativity?"
Sorry I should have put, he’s sacked loads of people

Exciting times
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by cblantfanclub » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:32 pm

Why don't we just rename this board - "argue with Newcastle93". Thread after thread after thread ........................................
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by joey13 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:50 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
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You still whinging ? Most unlike you
You still doing irony .

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:12 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:52 am
I personally think that the appointment of Vincent Kompany is a fantastic move.
To get the services of man with such a proven pedigree, football knowledge and massive respect throughout football is exceptionally very good business.
Every appointment is a risk, but Kompany is a less obvious one.
Alan Pace really tried with Orsic but no cigar.
Excellent previous posts on this forum has raised a lot more positivity re the finances, and the glowing testimonies of the Anderlecht fans.
When SD was sacked, I must admit, I thought it was the most idiotic decision in the history of Burnley FC.
However since Sean left, their has been an obvious improvement and confidence in the players, but just not good enough in the end. So Well Done Jackson.
So, starting afresh. I am looking forward to seeing Burnley playing a more passing game cos let's be honest, our passing was woeful by Prem League standards.
So Well Done Alan, new start, new division, new ambitions.
As John Lennon would say.."Give Pace a chance"!
I would describe Kompany as a power play from Pace who continues to show the imagination the fans haven't seen for a long time , possibly since Defour.

Now we await similar imagination while we hold our breath to see which players are brought in over the coming weeks.

It has the potential to be fantastic and despite the awful play on words you haven't been proved wrong yet and hopefully your brave declaration of support for Pace will get the reward it deserves

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by It Is What It Is » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:09 pm

Hey...at the end of the day decisions have been made by the Board at BFC. Whatever your thoughts...please please support and respect the appointment of VK.
All these posts regarding he is a big risk, totally unproven, inexperienced etc is not helpful at all. Vinny will probably be looking at these posts..so just get behind Pace, Kompany, his staff and Burnley Football Club. Grow up and give some positive support.
I don't even see it as a risk..Well done Alan Pace...and a big Thankyou to Vincent Kompany for taking on our challenge.
Great days ahead.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by daveisaclaret » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:10 pm

If Vincent Kompany is reading this board I just hope his mum isn't a lollipop lady.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:43 pm

I just like the positive attitude and persuasive, risk taking approach.

If we ignore the nature of the takeover, the issue of which I have with the seller not the buyer, Alan has pulled rabbits out of the hat with Cornet, Weghorst (didn’t work but we needed something urgently), nearly Orsic and now Kompany. The manager change nearly worked too.

So it bodes well in some ways. I’m happy to say well done because he will be hurting now, but work never ends at this level so he has to keep delivering good decisions.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by RumRogers » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:57 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:09 pm
All these posts regarding he is a big risk, totally unproven, inexperienced etc is not helpful at all. Vinny will probably be looking at these posts..so just get behind Pace, Kompany, his staff and Burnley Football Club. Grow up and give some positive support.
If you consider Wagner and Farke, both of whom are successful managers at this level, they were both managers of Dortmund's reserves before getting jobs at Huddersfield and Norwich. They worked wonders for both clubs. I think their supporters would have felt similar, or perhaps even excitement at a modern angle on the game. By heck, it worked for them, didn't it?

I think Kompany is as least risk as you could get for a young manager. He knows the English game. He'll even know about the Championship. He'll have City contacts in the address book. He's a name that will attract players. You could pick up a few Belgian gems. He's worked under superb managers. Yes, it's all change compared to Dyche, but I don't see what's not to like.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:22 am

If Kompany is reading this board......SIGN KANA

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:28 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:44 pm
Yes we have appointed a very inexperienced and young manager.
out of the few managers that have been given jobs this summer in the Championship he is the most experienced. Dyche had less. Brian Laws had loads

The sooner you realise that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts the happier you will be

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by clive40golf » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:28 am

I don’t think Pace gives a S#+t about Burnley football club, the team, the Town or the supporters.
I’m not going to congratulate a man who has got rid of back room staff, who have lots of experience about how to run a small football club in the premiership. A man who panicked about the thought of getting relegated and had a knee jerk reaction. Maybe there was a need to change certain things within the club, but his timing was totally amateurish.
Upto now he’s appointment hopefully a new bright manager, who I’m sure every Claret wishes success, but that’s it!
If this guy thought anything about our club he would be in the press stating that he’s doing everything he can to make us succeed, but we’ve heard Nothing!
Trust this man at your peril!

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Damo » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:20 am

The proof will be in the pudding with this appointment, but every single burnley supporter I've spoken to is optimistic about this one.
The usual suspects on here will do what they usually do, but that's life and we can choose to ignore them.
The people who attend games will no doubt get behind the manager regardless

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:37 am

clive40golf wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:28 am
I don’t think Pace gives a S#+t about Burnley football club, the team, the Town or the supporters.

If this guy thought anything about our club he would be in the press stating that he’s doing everything he can to make us succeed, but we’ve heard Nothing!
Trust this man at your peril!
Maybe he’s just working incredibly hard nonstop behind the scenes and doesn’t think keeping clive40golf updated is one of his priorities.
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:58 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:28 am
out of the few managers that have been given jobs this summer in the Championship he is the most experienced. Dyche had less. Brian Laws had loads

The sooner you realise that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts the happier you will be
Agree there is more experience than we may initially think. As a player, he spent a long time out injured, and as club captain at City will have been getting involved in tactical and motivational discussions, especially when spending time off the pitch recovering. He’s also a bright lad for a footballer, so I suspect he’ll have taken a lot in rather than just letting it wash over him.

OK, Dyche had a lot of Watford coaching experience, but for the level we aspire to Kompany probably has more relevant experience. No guarantee of course, and even if he turns out to be a top manager, that’s no guarantee either.

(I know this is the Pace thread, but its why I feel Alan made a good decision)
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by clive40golf » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:29 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:37 am
Maybe he’s just working incredibly hard nonstop behind the scenes and doesn’t think keeping clive40golf updated is one of his priorities.

We can all believe what we want to, it doesn’t make us enemies just supporters with different views. You believe he’s working hard for the club, I believe he’s working hard for the investors.
Like you I hope VK is a great success and I hope he’s backed more substantially that what he promised our last full time manager.
But upto now AP has done very little for BFC
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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by cblantfanclub » Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:17 am

"You believe he’s working hard for the club, I believe he’s working hard for the investors."

Er - Investors want return on money = successful club. Fans want successful club. No difference except investors get a bob or two out of it, fans enjoyment. Don't get your argument. There's nothing in it for the investors if we go bust.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by dsr » Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:54 am

cblantfanclub wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:17 am
"You believe he’s working hard for the club, I believe he’s working hard for the investors."

Er - Investors want return on money = successful club. Fans want successful club. No difference except investors get a bob or two out of it, fans enjoyment. Don't get your argument. There's nothing in it for the investors if we go bust.
There's nothing in it for the investors if we become a stable championship club, either. They owe so much money that they need to sell the club for £200m (or otherwise get that amount from the club) before they make a profit.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by RVclaret » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:09 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:54 am
There's nothing in it for the investors if we become a stable championship club, either. They owe so much money that they need to sell the club for £200m (or otherwise get that amount from the club) before they make a profit.
Stupid argument, there is the chance of promotion every year we are in the league.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by dsr » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:13 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:09 pm
Stupid argument, there is the chance of promotion every year we are in the league.
Burnley FC wouldn't be worth £200m based on the chance of promotion. If we aren't in the PL, the actual (as opposed to potential) value to the investors is £nil.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by RVclaret » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:19 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:13 pm
Burnley FC wouldn't be worth £200m based on the chance of promotion. If we aren't in the PL, the actual (as opposed to potential) value to the investors is £nil.
That’s fine, they either sell up at a loss to themselves or they keep running the show with the aim to be stable but be in with a shout of promotion.

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Re: Well done Alan Pace.

Post by Spike » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:30 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:52 am
I personally think that the appointment of Vincent Kompany is a fantastic move.
To get the services of man with such a proven pedigree, football knowledge and massive respect throughout football is exceptionally very good business.
Every appointment is a risk, but Kompany is a less obvious one.
Alan Pace really tried with Orsic but no cigar.
Excellent previous posts on this forum has raised a lot more positivity re the finances, and the glowing testimonies of the Anderlecht fans.
When SD was sacked, I must admit, I thought it was the most idiotic decision in the history of Burnley FC.
However since Sean left, their has been an obvious improvement and confidence in the players, but just not good enough in the end. So Well Done Jackson.
So, starting afresh. I am looking forward to seeing Burnley playing a more passing game cos let's be honest, our passing was woeful by Prem League standards.
So Well Done Alan, new start, new division, new ambitions.
As John Lennon would say.."Give Pace a chance"!
how people can praise the Orsic no deal is beyond me ! We need to be brave enough to go for our targets at the start of windows.it was too late and Pace had no plan B.

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