Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Newcastleclaret93]

Kompany was very much aware of these potential / likely sales.

How do you know that?

[jedi_master]

I know it doesn't necessarily mean much, but it would be a bit of a backtrack from Coventry if they sold O'Hare now. They seem pretty adamant he isn't going and I don't think they were too impressed with our approach - Robins was pretty critical of Kompany

They never came out and said he wasn’t for sale and the player was clearly gagging for the pay rise or he’d have signed a new deal at Coventry. The statements in their local media said something like “The deal is dead for now”. He’s the player Kompany wants in that position, I can absolutely see us going straight back in and matching the fee they wanted (rumoured to be £9m?).

[NewClaret]

How do you know that?

“After a very difficult start I can only see a bright future”

[Lancasterclaret]

How do you know that?

Because if he wasn't, then he's not done his due diligence

He's been promised money to spend, but clearly also told that it will come from existing player sales

He's building a brand new team, and not many managers will complain at that

[ksrclaret]

Kompany was very much aware of these potential / likely sales.

Well I'll have to take your word for that, however you've come to that judgement.

Assuming he was though, the last interview I saw with him left me feeling like he was very down about things. He didn't sound positive at all.

[RVclaret]

How do you know that?

Told off a decent source that Dwight has been looking for a move back to the PL and Kompany was aware. That’s been backed up by Ryan Taylor and Graeme Bailey’s reports just now. Then reading between the lines of Kompany’s interviews where he talks about full transparency with the owners, selling players if we receive offers we can’t refuse, best players are wanted upon relegation comments etc. It adds up.

[agreenwood]

The emotional rollercoaster some of you are constantly on must be ******* exhausting.

[Lancasterclaret]

The emotional rollercoaster some of you are constantly on must be ******* exhausting.

Give them time, they will be cynical t***ts like everyone else soon enough!

[ksrclaret]

The emotional rollercoaster some of you are constantly on must be ******* exhausting.

All I can see is a discussion, quite rightly, on the news that McNeil is close to leaving the club. What are you seeing that I'm not?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Everybody: can't see mcneil/cornet staying.

Also everybody: can't believe the club are selling mcneil/cornet.

We're in the championship. We have players who are premier league players. Premier league clubs want them and they want to play in the Premier league.

The replacements won't be as good because we're in the championship. Really disappinting but this was always likely whenevwr we got relegated. Such is life.

The important thing is what we do with the money. This is a big rebuild. I can't quite understand how there were people who didn't realise this.

Great post but there is another angle to this too - that players who would do well for us in the PL like McNeil, who may add that little bit of creativity to get a few crucial wins, aren’t the players who would help us go “23, 23 undefeated” in the Championship. With McNeil’s end product and Cornet’s fitness it may be best to cash in on both, as well as the sheer reality outlined in your above post. We need players who will play 40+ games and be 8 out of 10 (by Championship standards) in most of them.

[Vegas Claret]

I doubt that. More likely I guess that Kompany thinks that McNeil would be a key player in the Championship but he recognises the different constraints and conditions we are not operating within and he is not the decision maker when it comes to player sales.

quite possibly, hence the question mark.

[Vegas Claret]

How do you know that?

because he's not thick as pig ****

[matttheclaret]

They never came out and said he wasn’t for sale and the player was clearly gagging for the pay rise or he’d have signed a new deal at Coventry. The statements in their local media said something like “The deal is dead for now”. He’s the player Kompany wants in that position, I can absolutely see us going straight back in and matching the fee they wanted (rumoured to be £9m?).

Hopefully you're right - as you say, he's clearly the one that Kompany wants. I'm pretty keen too, mainly because I think we now desperately need 2 or 3 signings that are actually proven in this league. If we get, say £40 million combined for Cornet and McNeil, we need to use some of that to bring in proven quality to replace them, not just more cheap players with potential

[taio]

Told off a decent source that Dwight has been looking for a move back to the PL and Kompany was aware. That’s been backed up by Ryan Taylor and Graeme Bailey’s reports just now. Then reading between the lines of Kompany’s interviews where he talks about full transparency with the owners, selling players if we receive offers we can’t refuse, best players are wanted upon relegation comments etc. It adds up.

How long have you known from your source that he's looking to move? It's just that not too long ago you were saying that club should be doing everything to keep him. And I can't imagine, based on your unwavering support of the owner, that you'd have been saying that if you knew his sale was imminent.

[Braindead]

£20 million for Dwight Mcneill? Great bit of business that from the owners for a player that offered absolutely nothing last season.

Yoo Ess Ayy

[Paul Waine]

I’ll still be at Huddersfield on Friday night supporting whatever ‘First 11’ we have available to us.

Hi jedi_master, I've heard there's a call "can all going Friday night bring their boots."

[dandeclaret]

John Percy reporting that Everton are close to signing McNeil

https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/sta ... 5246690311

He doesn't tweet unless its guaranteed remember

Papabendi will be along soon to say he's not arsed, and it's no great loss.

[KRBFC]

Ryan Taylor

‘Everton not only Premier League club targeting Dwight McNeil but talks now underway. He is eager to return to top-flight & has been waiting patiently for offers, despite positive pre-season under Vincent Kompany. Winger has been reassured he can leave at right price.’

Wait until he's sold for £20m and replaced with someone for £2m. Then you can really get excited and cover for ALK.

[ClaretLoup]

Assuming he was though, the last interview I saw with him left me feeling like he was very down about things. He didn't sound positive at all.

Indeed. After the Newcastle trouncings the best he could come up with as positives were that there weren’t any more injuries and they did some running.

Re the coming season he basically began softening us up for a poor start because there are so many new players to integrate.

Frankly he looked a bit bewildered and bereft.

Let’s see how it goes in the pre match press conference today.

[ClaretTony]

McNeil is a player we should have been building a team around long term but we did the opposite, for various reasons, didnt build a team and relied far too heavily on him as our only creative outlet.

I'd say that is just about spot on quoonbeatz - we stopped building and therefore had to rely on Dwight for any creativity. When it didn't come, we saw the result.

[Lancasterclaret]

Papabendi will be along soon to say he's not arsed, and it's no great loss.

I'm gutted

Even when he was quiet last year, his ability to run with the ball and hold on to it under pressure was great

Really going to miss him

[KRBFC]

I have no issue with us selling anyone, reinvesting peanuts on replacements is where the issue comes, wheres these 10s of millions going to? what benefit of the club? if it's going to loans it's an absolute disgrace.

[ClaretTony]

Indeed. After the Newcastle trouncings the best he could come up with as positives were that there weren’t any more injuries and they did some running.

Re the coming season he basically began softening us up for a poor start because there are so many new players to integrate.

Frankly he looked a bit bewildered and bereft.

Let’s see how it goes in the pre match press conference today.

I've sensed the positivity draining from him since he did that first press conference. He looked, using your words, very much bewildered and bereft whe he spoke after the Newcastle games.

[RVclaret]

How long have you known from your source that he's looking to move? It's just that not too long ago you were saying that club should be doing everything to keep him. And I can't imagine, based on your unwavering support of the owner, that you'd have been saying that if you knew his sale was imminent.

In the past week. Wouldn’t say I have unwavering support of the owner as such, I just try to look at the positives and add balance, there is definitely more weight on the other side of the coin on this board.

[TommyPicks]

Anyone know if today’s press conference is available to watch anywhere?

[KRBFC]

Kompany has seen enough of Dwight in training, maybe he's not that impressed with his one footed dependence and thinks he can do better ?

Now we pretend like these players just aren't any good, like Cornet can't hack the Championship.

[Paul Waine]

I know we seem to love a clause, but I’m not buying the Cornet clause being cancelled because it’s been made public.

Surely it would just be in our interest to leak the clause to get more money for the player?

Maybe there's evidence that someone, but not the club, leaked the clause and that's what's triggered the "null and void?" Be interesting if such a provision applied to a release clause.

[RVclaret]

Anyone know if today’s press conference is available to watch anywhere?

Yes Burnley’s YouTube channel

[Lancasterclaret]

I've sensed the positivity draining from him since he did that first press conference. He looked, using your words, very much bewildered and bereft whe he spoke after the Newcastle games.

No problems at all with him or Pace when they both spoke at Burnley college yesterday

[ksrclaret]

In the past week. Wouldn’t say I have unwavering support of the owner as such, I just try to look at the positives and add balance, there is definitely more weight on the other side of the coin on this board.

This is kind of my point. He's come into a new job and it seems every week there is another of our better players leaving that he probably didn't expect the week before.

I wonder what he makes of that. I'm sure the owners were transparent when he took the job on, but saying players will be sold if the right offer comes along, and then losing all of your best players are two different things.

[ClaretTony]

No problems at all with him or Pace when they both spoke at Burnley college yesterday

We were both referring to his interview after the Newcastle game

[Vegas Claret]

Now we pretend like these players just aren't any good, like Cornet can't hack the Championship.

are you pretending you don't understand what a question mark means (I won't put one here where it should go because you'll misinterpret that too)

[SkiptonClaret]

This is kind of my point. He's come into a new job and it seems every week there is another of our better players leaving that he probably didn't expect the week before.

I wonder what he makes of that. I'm sure the owners were transparent when he took the job on, but saying players will be sold if the right offer comes along, and then losing all of your best players are two different things.

So he was expecting to lose all his worst players ? I'm sure he was expecting an orderly queue for the likes of Ash and Longy.

[Lancasterclaret]

We were both referring to his interview after the Newcastle game

Yeah, but you are implying a lot more than that and as I've already said, if he didn't know what was going to happen when a club gets relegated from the premier league, then he's not come into this with his eyes wide open

I took the interview after the Newcastle game to be disappointed in the overall performance, but I guess it could be anything

[ksrclaret]

So he was expecting to lose all his worst players ? I'm sure he was expecting an orderly queue for the likes of Ash and Longy.

Perhaps lose some of the better players, but not all, is my point.

Does that make sense, Skiptony?

[BigChaCha]

In the past week. Wouldn’t say I have the unwavering support of the owner as such, I just try to look at the positives and add balance, there is definitely more weight on the other side of the coin on this board.

This is kind of my point. He's come into a new job and it seems every week there is another of our better players leaving that he probably didn't expect the week before.

I wonder what he makes of that. I'm sure the owners were transparent when he took the job on, but saying players will be sold if the right offer comes along, and then losing all of your best players are two different things.

A blind man on a galloping horse could have told you that we would lose most if not all of our saleable assets!... I've been saying from the end of last season that Brownhill was the only one who we had a chance of keeping and I'm still not 100% on the chance of that happening.

[ksrclaret]

A blind man on a galloping horse could have told you that we would lose most if not all of our saleable assets!...

Why?

[BigChaCha]

Indeed. After the Newcastle trouncings the best he could come up with as positives were that there weren’t any more injuries and they did some running.

Re the coming season he basically began softening us up for a poor start because there are so many new players to integrate.

Frankly he looked a bit bewildered and bereft.

Let’s see how it goes in the pre match press conference today.
I've sensed the positivity draining from him since he did that first press conference. He looked, using your words, very much bewildered and bereft whe he spoke after the Newcastle games

Amateur psychology hour again I see.

[KRBFC]

Yeah, but you are implying a lot more than that and as I've already said, if he didn't know what was going to happen when a club gets relegated from the premier league, then he's not come into this with his eyes wide open

I took the interview after the Newcastle game to be disappointed in the overall performance, but I guess it could be anything

I didn't see Fulham last year firesale their team, Norwich haven't lost many, Watford haven't sold many either.

We can sell players, no issue. Where are those tens of millions going to? peanuts on replacements, how does this benefit the team/club?

[SkiptonClaret]

Perhaps lose some of the better players, but not all, is my point.

Does that make sense, Skiptony?

Not really. We got relegated with a largely Dad's Army team. Of course the more viable players were going to jump ship. It's all about the Premier League unfortunately.

[arise_sir_charge]

Jesus Christ we’ve now got people saying the manager is bewildered and bereft!

People are reading far too much into anything and and everything.

I’m almost certain there is a recent quote from him, maybe even after the Collins sale where he directly said he was aware that players were very likely to leave.

[Vegas Claret]

but saying players will be sold if the right offer comes along, and then losing all of your best players are two different things.

you'll have to explain that one please

[Granny WeatherWax]

I've sensed the positivity draining from him since he did that first press conference. He looked, using your words, very much bewildered and bereft whe he spoke after the Newcastle games.

I just dont think he is as good in front of a camera as Dyche, he's certainly not going to be bewildered and bereft.

Although i'm pretty sure, as we all are, that he thinks we are a few weeks away from where we would want to be given the amount of, expected and necessary, player turnover.

[RVclaret]

I didn't see Fulham last year firesale their team, Norwich haven't lost many, Watford haven't sold many either.

We can sell players, no issue. Where are those tens of millions going to? peanuts on replacements, how does this benefit the team/club?

Who did Fulham have that you would genuinely say ‘jeez a PL club should snap him up?’

Which of their players were proven PL performers? Same with Norwich? They sold Buendia didn’t they?

From Fulham, Anguissa was one who showed he could cut it and was sold to Napoli.

And that’s before I mention Fulham have billionaire owners but also suffered a 90m loss the season before, they aren’t a great example.

[Granny WeatherWax]

I didn't see Fulham last year firesale their team, Norwich haven't lost many, Watford haven't sold many either.

We can sell players, no issue. Where are those tens of millions going to? peanuts on replacements, how does this benefit the team/club?

Fulham were in the league for 1 season, and did awfully. We have proven premier league players, its hard surprising people are coming in for them.

[ksrclaret]

you'll have to explain that one please

Sure. Being told that players might have to be sold for the right offer at an interview is one thing. The reality of watching all of your best players leave is another thing.

I'm sure Kompany, just like us, is disappointed to see another one head for the exit door. I'm sure he'll expect decent replacements to come in. That will be the acid test now.

[ClaretTony]

I just dont think he is as good in front of a camera as Dyche.

Although i'm pretty sure, as we all are, that he thinks we are a few weeks away from where we would want to be given the amount of, expected and necessary, player turnover.

Dyche always looked media trained from the first day he came in to be honest. Thought Kompany's press conference a few weeks ago was so positive but we are clearly not where he hoped we'd be at this point of time, or that's how it's come across. My comment wasn't meant as a criticism of the manager though in any way.

[KRBFC]

Who did Fulham have that you would genuinely say ‘jeez a PL club should snap him up?’

Which of their players were proven PL performers? Same with Norwich? They sold Buendia didn’t they?

From Fulham, Anguissa was one who showed he could cut it and was sold to Napoli.

And that’s before I mention Fulham have billionaire owners but also suffered a 90m loss the season before, they aren’t a great example.

Again, we can sell players I have no issue with it but where is that money going? because it isn't being reinvested at all. £1.5m on Benson? who is that to replace? £20m Mcneil?

[Vegas Claret]

Who did Fulham have that you would genuinely say ‘jeez a PL club should snap him up?’

Which of their players were proven PL performers? Same with Norwich? They sold Buendia didn’t they?

From Fulham, Anguissa was one who showed he could cut it and was sold to Napoli.

And that’s before I mention Fulham have billionaire owners but also suffered a 90m loss the season before, they aren’t a great example.

Fulham's owner is worth over 7 billion, ridiculous example

Watford have run the buy cheap sell them for more money model for years but he won't see that because of his agenda

[GodIsADeeJay81]

With the slating McNeil's had in recent times, I'm surprised nobody's offered to drive him there for that amount

If he does go, who's the player to next be targeted for having one foot?
Just so I know in advance