ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
dsr
Posts: 15139
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 4549 times
Has Liked: 2241 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by dsr » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:04 am

Herts Clarets wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:57 am
Who was it that entitled a chapter in their autobiography "The Average Director's Knowledge of Football" and left a blank page?
Len Shackleton, in his book "Clown Prince of Soccer".

Burnley Ace
Posts: 3525
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:03 pm
Been Liked: 651 times
Has Liked: 2879 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:06 am

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:28 am
Solely in my opinion, he appeared to hold back on transfers to increase the clubs coffers.
This in turn, would make it more appealing to a buyer and enable him to ask for higher price.

Therefore, in my opinion, he openly allowed the demise of our club to get 30 (more) pieces of silver for himself on the way out.

What happened to club funds for me after that is beside the point.
That isn’t entirely true. There were a number of transfers that could have gone through that Dyche vetoed because he didn’t want to take the risk. People seem to forget that Dyche had a carefully created and managed reputation.

boatshed bill
Posts: 15108
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:47 am
Been Liked: 3139 times
Has Liked: 6682 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:07 am

How many of you wanted Garlick out?
You got what you wanted.

IanMcL
Posts: 30129
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:27 pm
Been Liked: 6340 times
Has Liked: 8654 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:08 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:47 am
“He took all the money” No. he sold his shares to a Mr Pace, who choose to pay for them with the clubs money.
I think you have missed the facts....
Like - Mr G was fully aware how the club purchase was to be funded.

Mr G named the price, which included knowingly building in the extraction of the club's large surplus.

All the funding went or is owed to Mr G and any other shareholder, who sold.

Knowing how it will all be funded is sanctioning it for self gain from the sale for all those directors.

dsr
Posts: 15139
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 4549 times
Has Liked: 2241 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by dsr » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:16 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:07 am
How many of you wanted Garlick out?
You got what you wanted.
Ever read "The Monkey's Paw"? The woman wanted £100 and she got £100, but the unexpected side effects mean that she hadn't got what she wanted at all.

You have a point against the people that said they wanted Garlick out and didn't mind if it cost the club over £100m to do it. But most people didn't realise just how much the club would have to pay him to make him go.

RammyClaret61
Posts: 3071
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:46 pm
Been Liked: 1091 times
Has Liked: 300 times
Location: Melbourne, Australia.

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by RammyClaret61 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:18 am

IanMcL wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:08 am
I think you have missed the facts....
Like - Mr G was fully aware how the club purchase was to be funded.

Mr G named the price, which included knowingly building in the extraction of the club's large surplus.

All the funding went or is owed to Mr G and any other shareholder, who sold.

Knowing how it will all be funded is sanctioning it for self gain from the sale for all those directors.
Of course he was aware. But Mr Pace might’ve said it was all covered by investment that was incoming?

Named the price? A price that was accepted by the buyer. That’s how sales normally occur. None of this “make me an offer”

…. And all those supporters who also sold their shares.

Buxtonclaret
Posts: 16618
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
Been Liked: 3750 times
Has Liked: 7521 times
Location: Derbyshire

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:31 am

IanMcL wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:22 am
He got out and took all the money. That's the issue.
As well as watering down a transfer budget, to help keep the Dry Powder store even more valuable. . . When it was already tiny compared to just about everyone else. ;)

Notsosuperstevedavis
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 101 times
Has Liked: 31 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:39 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:44 am
You think he held back on transfers, but there's proof out there he bought players over Dyche's head?

The only mistake Garlick made, was not potting Dyche as soon as they fell out so bad, they weren't on speaking terms.

In truth, he has bent over backwards to allow these chancers the best way of making it work for Burnley. Delayed staged payments- probably the only thing we're not paying high interest on.
Again, just in my opinion, these players were the likes of Lennon (no disrespect intended) , journeymen that would prolong our stay in the prem, rather than purchasing youth that was resaleable

I think my argument is backed by the fact we had the oldest squad in the league. No?

ClaretPete001
Posts: 2022
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:39 am
Been Liked: 308 times
Has Liked: 162 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by ClaretPete001 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:49 am

Paul Waine wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:47 am
Love the thought that the fans support earned all the money. Should we all have been putting more into the transfer budget every window so that we could outbid some of the billionaire backed clubs and pay a few more million to sign our target? :( ;)
No, we should do what we did - not invest in players in case we get relegated .....and then get relegated.

A cunning plan indeed....!

dsr
Posts: 15139
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 4549 times
Has Liked: 2241 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by dsr » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:53 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:18 am
Of course he was aware. But Mr Pace might’ve said it was all covered by investment that was incoming?

Named the price? A price that was accepted by the buyer. That’s how sales normally occur. None of this “make me an offer”

…. And all those supporters who also sold their shares.
Even if Garlick didn't need to know where the money was coming from, the PL did. They won't let you buy a club unless you can produce a very clear line of evidence to where the funds are. "We might get investment in future" wouldn't hack it.

Quickenthetempo
Posts: 17930
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:35 am
Been Liked: 3845 times
Has Liked: 2066 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:54 am

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:39 am
Again, just in my opinion, these players were the likes of Lennon (no disrespect intended) , journeymen that would prolong our stay in the prem, rather than purchasing youth that was resaleable

I think my argument is backed by the fact we had the oldest squad in the league. No?
That was Dyche and his good characters first policy.

Players like Vydra and Drinkwater were purchased above Dyche's head. When fans demanded a forward with pace and a central midfielder. Dyche made sure their moves didn't work out by refusing to play them.

claretonthecoast1882
Posts: 10088
Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
Been Liked: 4161 times
Has Liked: 57 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:58 am

There is only one person to blame with regards Drinkwater not playing, unless you point the finger at all his managers at Chelsea, Dyche and Dean Smith at Villa

RammyClaret61
Posts: 3071
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:46 pm
Been Liked: 1091 times
Has Liked: 300 times
Location: Melbourne, Australia.

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by RammyClaret61 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:00 am

dsr wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:53 am
Even if Garlick didn't need to know where the money was coming from, the PL did. They won't let you buy a club unless you can produce a very clear line of evidence to where the funds are. "We might get investment in future" wouldn't hack it.
Pace to PL; well we haven’t really got any money. We plan to use what’s in the clubs bank account once it’s ours to buy the club.

PL; OK, carry on 🤷🏻‍♂️

ClaretPete001
Posts: 2022
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:39 am
Been Liked: 308 times
Has Liked: 162 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by ClaretPete001 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:14 am

I suppose it is pointless to point out that Vydra has played a 83 games for the club in the PL and scored 8 goals (1 in 10).

Wood scored 49 in 149 (1 in 3), and Barnes 45 in 200 (1 in 4 ish).

Sadly, I think there are too many who don't accept how effective Barnes and Wood have been in the PL.

forzagranata
Posts: 688
Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:56 pm
Been Liked: 222 times
Has Liked: 432 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by forzagranata » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:21 am

Maybe Burnley will have a ‘partnership agreement’ with St Joseph’s like those ‘exciting’ ones we announced last year with Ayr United, Llandudno, Portadown & Cobh Ramblers?

Burnley Ace
Posts: 3525
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:03 pm
Been Liked: 651 times
Has Liked: 2879 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:43 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:31 am
As well as watering down a transfer budget, to help keep the Dry Powder store even more valuable. . . When it was already tiny compared to just about everyone else. ;)
Speculation! How do you know what funds were allocated for transfers? Who has disclosed that figure to you?

Burnley Ace
Posts: 3525
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:03 pm
Been Liked: 651 times
Has Liked: 2879 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:44 am

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:39 am

I think my argument is backed by the fact we had the oldest squad in the league. No?
Isn’t that Dyche’s fault for only wanting players that already had a proven track record in the Prem?

Notsosuperstevedavis
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 101 times
Has Liked: 31 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:49 am

Burnley Ace wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:44 am
Isn’t that Dyche’s fault for only wanting players that already had a proven track record in the Prem?
I think they are both culpable. But since there had a disagreement between the two (according to the speculation) - its hard to know who was primarily to blame in my eyes.

Burnley Ace
Posts: 3525
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:03 pm
Been Liked: 651 times
Has Liked: 2879 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:51 am

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:49 am
I think they are both culpable. But since there had a disagreement between the two (according to the speculation) - its hard to know who was primarily to blame in my eyes.
At least you can see that perhaps it might not have been all Garlick’s doing!

Notsosuperstevedavis
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 101 times
Has Liked: 31 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:12 pm

But he held the purse strings. Whilst it might be completely false, SD might have asked for better players, it could have been MG just saying ‘no’.

Burnley Ace
Posts: 3525
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:03 pm
Been Liked: 651 times
Has Liked: 2879 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Burnley Ace » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:49 pm

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:12 pm
But he held the purse strings. Whilst it might be completely false, SD might have asked for better players, it could have been MG just saying ‘no’.
Yes, or it could have been Dyche saying I don’t want him. I’m sure Dyche would have liked a number of players that weren’t realistic targets.

Notsosuperstevedavis
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:59 pm
Been Liked: 101 times
Has Liked: 31 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:57 pm

Also true Burnley Ace. But that must go back to ‘who’s the boss’

The weight of this has to lie with ‘the boss’

He’s in ultimate control of the club and at the very least we can begin to question his motives.

Its telling that we let the squad age and deteriorate. And he sold at the peak time.

bfcjg
Posts: 13160
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:17 pm
Been Liked: 5004 times
Has Liked: 6722 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by bfcjg » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:25 pm

It's our money.........he can spend it as he likes. :roll:

FCBurnley
Posts: 9697
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:56 pm
Been Liked: 1968 times
Has Liked: 1132 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by FCBurnley » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:41 pm

Gibraltar is famous for Barbary Apes and Offshore Banking ( tax evasion).
This user liked this post: IanMcL

Stayingup
Posts: 5551
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:02 pm
Been Liked: 914 times
Has Liked: 2726 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Stayingup » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:19 pm

Tinribs wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:47 am
Needs removing from the board of director’s,the blokes greed cost this club
If Pace and Co can't meet certain payments (adjusted I know and selling the clubs assets on the cheap will help their cause) doesn't the ownership revert to Mr Garkick?

joey13
Posts: 7501
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:39 pm
Been Liked: 1767 times
Has Liked: 1230 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by joey13 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:59 pm

RammyClaret61 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:14 am
There are two sides to this issue. I’m just giving a possible other side.

But like a lot of so called Burnley “fans” it’s only the narrative that suits your agenda and ignore the rest. Also no one knows the nitty gritty.
Maybe Garlicks bank manager does .

Longtimeclaret
Posts: 179
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:49 pm
Been Liked: 48 times
Has Liked: 18 times

Re: ARTICLE: Garlick buys a football club

Post by Longtimeclaret » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:02 pm

Hope it all goes pear shaped
Really can’t stand the bloke

Post Reply