• Pies .Why Hollands?

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:32 pm**

There is another thread on the forum regarding Haffners pies and it got me thinking why Burnley F C chose to go with Hollands Pies.
I realise that at one point they were our sponsors but that was some time ago.
I think the majority would agree that Hollands pies are pretty average, not awful but there are much better pies available and what is the reason we never changed to Haffners.
My first thoughts are
1.Haffners could not compete on price ( I for one would not mind paying a bit more for a quality product)
2. Haffners would possibly not individually wrap their pies which is probably essential if supplying pies to the Turf.I imagine the Capital expense of installing packaging machinery would not be economically feasible.

Anyone else have any views on this?

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:39 pm**

Sorry enclosure but I’m a Hollands man. Never had a Haffners so can’t compare but to call Hollands average is just wrong.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:41 pm**

The Enclosure wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:32 pm
There is another thread on the forum regarding Haffners pies and it got me thinking why Burnley F C chose to go with Hollands Pies.
I realise that at one point they were our sponsors but that was some time ago.
I think the majority would agree that Hollands pies are pretty average, not awful but there are much better pies available and what is the reason we never changed to Haffners.
My first thoughts are
1.Haffners could not compete on price ( I for one would not mind paying a bit more for a quality product)
2. Haffners would possibly not individually wrap their pies which is probably essential if supplying pies to the Turf.I imagine the Capital expense of installing packaging machinery would not be economically feasible.

Anyone else have any views on this?

I would imagine Haffners don’t have the set up to supply the club with the volume it needs. They could have some ambition and get a contract with the club and use that contract to help them get a loan to upscale, however the quality would probably drop if they upscaled, defeating the purpose of wanting a change

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:46 pm**

For what it's worth, I'm from York, but we spend a fortune on pies at the Turf - certainly helps to take your mind off the footie.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:49 pm**

Holland’s over haffners any day of the week

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:52 pm**

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:49 pm
Holland’s over haffners any day of the week

That's the most wrong thing that's ever been said, not just on here, but the whole of the internet.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:53 pm**

Do we have any statistics from our EXPERTS for the pies?

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:54 pm**

I have definitely had pies from other grounds that were not in plastic wrapping.

Probably a matter that the current offering sells well ? Rare any pies are left in the CFS when I try at HT !

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:54 pm**

Looking for pastry girth, contents, attacking ability and possible 'sell on' value.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:58 pm**

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:49 pm
Holland’s over haffners any day of the week

I'd rather eat the tin foil tray it comes in than an hollands pie

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:59 pm**

jackmiggins wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:53 pm
Do we have any statistics from our EXPERTS for the pies?

There are EXPERTS on here. Been told directly only yesterday.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:59 pm**

Is tin foil really that good?

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:00 pm**

https://youtu.be/fct7OnshbQA

Of course there's a YouTube video all about Haffner's pies..

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:01 pm**

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:59 pm
There are EXPERTS on here. Been told directly only yesterday.

Which of our experts relayed that info Silky?

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:02 pm**

I don’t want a quality meal at the turf. I want a soggy-pastried lump of molten meat-mush in a foil tray.

Absolutely beautiful

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:03 pm**

It won’t matter what pies are sold if they can’t store them correctly at the ground.

IMO the Hollands pies sold at the ground are not the same quality as those sold elsewhere.

The pastry is either far too soggy that you can’t pick it up or that crispy you could use it as a knife and the filling is as sloppy as soup which is either luke warm or lava like

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:04 pm**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:00 pm
https://youtu.be/fct7OnshbQA

Of course there's a YouTube video all about Haffner's pies..

Crikey.........Richard Gere's let himself go.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:04 pm**

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:49 pm
Holland’s over haffners any day of the week

There are some deeply suspicious things written on this board at times, but this is too much. People get put on lists for saying things like that.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:05 pm**

If only we had someone to review them. Whatever happened to this man?

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Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:05 pm**

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:49 pm
Holland’s over haffners any day of the week

Behave

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:06 pm**

aggi wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:05 pm
If only we had someone to review them. Whatever happened to this man?

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Was he related to Jeremy Beadle ?

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:09 pm**

Holland’s pies are now just full of tasteless mush, their meat pies are edible and their puddings are quite tasty. Mrs Vino and I sometimes have their meat pies or puddings with mushy peas for dinner, it’s a nice taste of home.
However to compare them with Haffners is nonsense. Fortunately, we have a local English baker over here called Porky Pies, who make all homemade pies and cakes etc. Their wares are very good indeed.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:14 pm**

Not much call for pies in Ireland , now you do see a few in Tesco's here but not much else .

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:24 pm**

To answer the original question i would guess it is down to scale - it would take a hell of a ramp up from their usual volumes to cater for a football crowd once a fortnight for 9 months a year. Hollands are a mass producer so will have the volume to manufacture and store sufficient quantity.

And anyone who considers Hollands to be better than Haffners clearly knows absolutely nothing about pies. The only thing i can say about Hollands is that they are better than the Pukka pies that are sold in chip shops in my area.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:25 pm**

Can anyone saying Holland's over Haffners please be banned from the forum immediately, it's clear from this assessment you have nothing to offer here.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:30 pm**

The Holland pies you buy on the ground are like soup inside.
Didn't we once have a proper bakery do the pies a while back? (Clayton's)? Why were they ditched?

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:32 pm**

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:24 pm
To answer the original question i would guess it is down to scale - it would take a hell of a ramp up from their usual volumes to cater for a football crowd once a fortnight for 9 months a year. Hollands are a mass producer so will have the volume to manufacture and store sufficient quantity.

It would take a lot of investment for 23 days extra business a year. ( Packaging machinery, freezers etc).

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:33 pm**

Tribesmen wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:14 pm
Not much call for pies in Ireland , now you do see a few in Tesco's here but not much else .

Before fecking brexit I could get Hollands at Iceland. Now they’ve disappeared.
You are correct about not much call in Ireland for pies as Lancashire knows them.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:36 pm**

Hollands wouldn't be my first choice but when I'm hungry on the turf, the pies are usually decent enough particularly the Steak and Pepper

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:37 pm**

Wish we could buy Haffners in Florida !!!

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:37 pm**

Why Hollands?

Volume, freshness, cost and they are extremely flexible.

On a side note the flour used at hollands is bespoke to them and its in house name is - Claret Flour (I named it, although that was around 14 years ago and it may have changed now). Before claret flour was used it was called Ternant Flour

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:45 pm**

long, long ago holland's pies were not bad.

nowadays they are pigswill.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:47 pm**

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:33 pm
Before fecking brexit I could get Hollands at Iceland. Now they’ve disappeared.
You are correct about not much call in Ireland for pies as Lancashire knows them.

In spite of Brexit I can still buy Holland’s pies at Iceland in Fuengirola. You need to get your act together.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:01 pm**

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:47 pm
In spite of Brexit I can still buy Holland’s pies at Iceland in Fuengirola. You need to get your act together.

Only been to Fuengirola once and had my luggage stolen. I won’t be back, even for Hollands pies.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:04 pm**

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:33 pm
Before fecking brexit I could get Hollands at Iceland. Now they’ve disappeared.
You are correct about not much call in Ireland for pies as Lancashire knows them.

After Brexit you can't get an Accrington pie in an English supermarket?

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:04 pm**

Anyone who prefers Holland’s to Haffner’s mustn’t have actual working tastebuds.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:10 pm**

For all the older Clarets on here, can anyone remember a guy walking around the perimeter of the pitch selling pies out of one of those trays like cinema usherettes used to do?
My memory is not what it was and I may well have imagined it.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:20 pm**

Murger wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:30 pm
The Holland pies you buy on the ground are like soup inside.
Didn't we once have a proper bakery do the pies a while back? (Clayton's)? Why were they ditched?

Clayton Park was the firm, and yes, they were very good.
They're still going, and available in Morrison's, among other places. Don't know why we got shut.

Cissy Greens are good as well.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:20 pm**

I love their chicken & mushroom. Oh, and their meat & potato, meat, meat & onion, pork. Even their sausage rolls are lush, and I'm not that big on sausage rolls.

Anyroad, I hope the potential new owners don't intend to expand or ramp up production, and quality ends up taking a hit. The reason why Haffner's pies are so good is because they are a small company with hands-on owner.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:21 pm**

If anyone can spot the meat in a Hollands Meat & Potato pie can you please take a photo and post it, as I don’t think it exists.
Haffner’s on the Turf with a Bovil would be a thing of pure beauty and class.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:29 pm**

Worked at Hollands as a student in the early 70's and loved it. They paid extremely well especially if overtime on Saturday afternoons and Sunday mornings were included. Managed to travel back down to London on the train a couple of times as a result.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:30 pm**

Murger wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:30 pm
The Holland pies you buy on the ground are like soup inside.
Didn't we once have a proper bakery do the pies a while back? (Clayton's)? Why were they ditched?

Haffners anyday over Hollands. Haffners Meat and Onion with ketchup on....yum yum. The best Meat and Potato pie though is Clayton Park by an absolute country mile. Proper chunks of meat and potato (unlike the slop that is Hollands) and a nice peppery taste. Haffners are good though too.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:33 pm**

Sadly I have never had a Haffners pie

everyone raves about them on here so will have to try one

.

Hollands pies are OK but I would rather have a hot "Pukkah Pies" Balti Pie ...

Haven't had a pie at Footy for ages

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:38 pm**

The Enclosure wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:32 pm
...I think the majority would agree that Hollands pies are pretty average, not awful but there are much better pies available...

Which would make them a bit special in sports stadium terms; I think there's some immutable international law (a bit like gravity) which states that all food - especially pies - sold at any sports event shall be both sh1te and expensive.

Are there any Australian Clarets on here? Do you still get the 'Four and Twenty' pies down there? They were the worst I ever came across, the ones pre-injected with an igneous dollop of tomato sauce inside them were especially awful.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:42 pm**

As a regular pie eater at the Tirf, I can confirm it would make no difference as the catering staff would still manage to burn them when reheating.

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:43 pm**

Hollands pies, made of flies
Concrete bottoms and iron sides

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:00 pm**

Hollands are an “ above average pie” mass produced , cheaper than Haffners /Pukka etc. Their pies are a mass market made on a budget ,and for that they’re very decent . If they upped the quality 30% they’d be in the prime end of the market, which isn’t their target .

Haffners are good fresh bakery pies but for fans as tight as Burnleys ( who constantly moan at the prices , the beer and the fayre on offer ) doesn’t seem a likely move .

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:04 pm**

Now we have come to the crux of it.
This is what Pace should be concentrating on, never mind finances and new players.
Which pie we should have on't turf?!

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:09 pm**

The best pies (non football ground) are from Huntleys Farm Shop in Salmesbury

Posted: **Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:20 pm**

When I was a H&S rep for UNISON I was on a two week course with the Holland's equivalent, the stories he relayed to me have meant I've never touched a Hollands pie since sick

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