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She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie

Post by LeadBelly » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 pm

Cocaine.
I'm seeing it reported today that there's a move afoot to try and crack down on usage amongst footy fans
Snippets from a Telegraph article on this:

"Chief constable Richard Lewis, the National Police Chiefs’ Council’s lead on drugs, told MPs on Wednesday that he wanted to see a major expansion of testing football thugs amid growing cocaine use before, during and after games."

"He was backed by Charlie Doyle, assistant chief constable at the British Transport Police (BTP), who revealed BTP had carried out “discrete” drug swab tests on trains to try to establish the scale of the problem. Traces had been found on tables, train handles and in the toilets on match days, he said."

"Under the proposals, football fans who take cocaine or other class A drugs to matches will face bans of five years from all grounds."

A good move?

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Post by Bosscat » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:26 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 pm
Cocaine.
I'm seeing it reported today that there's a move afoot to try and crack down on usage amongst footy fans
Snippets from a Telegraph article on this:

"Chief constable Richard Lewis, the National Police Chiefs’ Council’s lead on drugs, told MPs on Wednesday that he wanted to see a major expansion of testing football thugs amid growing cocaine use before, during and after games."

"He was backed by Charlie Doyle, assistant chief constable at the British Transport Police (BTP), who revealed BTP had carried out “discrete” drug swab tests on trains to try to establish the scale of the problem. Traces had been found on tables, train handles and in the toilets on match days, he said."

"Under the proposals, football fans who take cocaine or other class A drugs to matches will face bans of five years from all grounds."

A good move?
Surely the only people who wouldn't see it as a good move are the ones taking drugs at Football matches or on transport to Footy matches...
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Re: She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie

Post by bobinho » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:28 pm

For us? Just means there will only be me and my mate in the CFS.

It’s absolutely rife, not just at footy, all over the place. Everyone’s got a nose full these days.

Never seen so many young lads desperate for a “shite”…. Nearly queueing out the ground at half time. Sad bastards….

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Post by dsr » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:30 pm

bobinho wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:28 pm
For us? Just means there will only be me and my mate in the CFS.

It’s absolutely rife, not just at footy, all over the place. Everyone’s got a nose full these days.

Never seen so many young lads desperate for a “...”…. Nearly queueing out the ground at half time. Sad bastards….
Which surely means it's past time to crack (pun intended) down. I think it's universally acknowledged that cocaine is bad for you? and if it's not, being in the company of out-of-control druggies is bad for everyone else.

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Post by LeadBelly » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:32 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:26 pm
Surely the only people who wouldn't see it as a good move are the ones taking drugs at Football matches or on transport to Footy matches...
Some people (not including me) might se it as an erosion of civil liberties. (Eg in the way that there is quite noisy opposition to "stop and search" - which to me seems an obvious way to deter knife crime).

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Post by Zlatan » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:33 pm

I think MP’s need to get the HoC clean whilst they’re at it
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Post by bfcjg » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:46 pm

All drugs have deadly consequences from the where it is produced to the end user these people are ruining their lives, might seem glamorous now but look at the washed out zombies hanging around towns,old before their time offering nothing to society, this needs a clampdown and determined action to stop the supply.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:52 pm

Of course it needs cracking down on at football.
It also needs cracking down on at pubs, restaurants, public toilets, work places etc.

Gordon Ramsay did a series about cocaine a few years ago and discovered that usage in his restaurants was rife.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7440620/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

They're not even sniffing much cocaine, it's been cut so much with other products it's very watered down, pure cocaine sniffed at the same rate would kill most of these idiots :roll:

As a society we've allowed its use to get out of control and become acceptable, in the same way we've done with cannabis usage, so reversing the trend will be nigh on impossible I think.

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Post by fatboy47 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:58 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:52 pm


As a society we've allowed its use to get out of control and become acceptable, in the same way we've done with cannabis usage,


And alcohol?
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Post by Venkys4eva » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:17 pm

Cannabis also ruins lives ive seen it turn normal happy people into paranoid schizophrenics. I dont understand drugs at all and anything that stops the morons from taking them in football grounds can only be a good thing.
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:18 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:58 pm
And alcohol?
It's never been outright illegal last I checked, to buy/drink alcohol.

Yes we've allowed excessive drinking to become the norm and binge drinking in various forms, whether it's a glass/bottle of wine every night etc and that should be looked at.

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Post by CoolClaret » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:21 pm

It needs legalising and regulating - urgently

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:52 pm

As above I would legalise all drugs.
With rules:
A) if you commit an offence whilst UTI the sentence will be double.
B) NHS facilities can be used but paid for.
C) Failure to pay will lead to community work until deemed appropriate.

Far to much money is spent trying to stop the import of these products. Staff that could be used in other areas of customs or police will be freed up.It would putan end to the drug gangs just getting richer and richer. the shootings/knifings/physical assaults carried out by these gangs would reduce, again freeing up emergency services.

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Post by clive40golf » Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:09 am

I’m glad these types of drugs weren’t prolific when I was around my twenties. Being an adventurous but stupid young man, I’m sure I would have been tempted to try, and god knows where that would have led. Being in the emergency services for 30yrs I could see the problem getting more and more serious, and we’ve gained entry into premises only to find a blue lump in the corner slowly decaying. We once had an expert give us a lecture and he stated that parents who had tried drugs at Uni/college ect didn’t realise that the drugs their children were trying were 10x stonger.
Like others, I remain convinced that if some of the lesser drugs are legalised and regulated, it would stop some of the youth slipping down a very steep slope. Get rid of the bad drug sellers, who want to get you on the hard stuff, by Mixing some of the softer drugs with extras, for their advantage, can only be a good thing.
Sadly my nephew has been gripped by this terrible addiction. He’s robbed of strangers/family even his elderly Nan. He’s been beaten up by dealers and sometimes lives in fear of his life, until he needs his next fix. He suffers from mental illness as a result of these drugs, and as he reaches his mid thirties, it’s only a matter of time before someone will have to identify him on a slab.

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:35 am

Zlatan wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:33 pm
I think MP’s need to get the HoC clean whilst they’re at it
In-between their parties, you mean? ;)

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Post by eastanglianclaret » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:12 am

"Under the proposals, football fans who take cocaine or other class A drugs to matches will face bans of five years from all grounds."

Isn't the prison sentence for possession of class A drugs potentially longer than 5 years in any case? If it can be proven that an individual has taken such drugs to a football match then surely they should be subjected to the law of the land and the 5 year ban then becomes irrelevant?

I'm not really that naive! I guess the punishment for a 'first' offence would go something like : "Hold out your hand". Thwack! "Now go and clean up the litter on the canal bank for an hour and don't do it again. Oh, by the way, you can't go to any football grounds for a week or two."

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:43 am

eastanglianclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:12 am
"Under the proposals, football fans who take cocaine or other class A drugs to matches will face bans of five years from all grounds."


So they can still have a good old sniff before they go in?

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Post by jackmiggins » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:48 am

Shouldn’t it be ‘she don’t like’?

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Post by ClaretPete001 » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:12 am

Drug use was rife back in the day but I didn't know cocaine use was so widespread.

Mind you I often think that quite a few on here must have had a good sniff before posting.

Exciting times....!

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Post by claret2018 » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:15 am

Seems odd to tackle football grounds first when it’s rife in every pub in every town, village and city.

It’s so common it’s practically legal. There doesn’t seem to be any real deterrent to anyone who wants to take it.
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Post by LeadBelly » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:37 am

jackmiggins wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:48 am
Shouldn’t it be ‘she don’t like’?
I always read it (in the JJ Cale original and Eric C's various versions) as "lie"- as in: it will reveal the (not nice) truth about yourself.

I have to say that I've never partaken this substance so Ive no idea what effects it has from the inside (as opposed to seeing the efefcts as a third party). .

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Post by Roosterbooster » Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:33 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:52 pm
I would legalise all drugs
How on Earth does this sort the problem of people acting like douchebags after taking drugs?

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am

Roosterbooster wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:33 am
How on Earth does this sort the problem of people acting like douchebags after taking drugs?
You’ve taken one line from a post. Read the rest.

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Post by Roosterbooster » Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:05 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am
You’ve taken one line from a post. Read the rest.
I did, I just quoted the important part. And it doesn't change my point. They don't care about consequences. And even if they don't break any laws, they will still act like obnoxious p*****s. Legalising it, even with caveats, doesn't solve that problem

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:08 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:52 pm
As above I would legalise all drugs.
With rules:
A) if you commit an offence whilst UTI the sentence will be double.
B) NHS facilities can be used but paid for.
C) Failure to pay will lead to community work until deemed appropriate.

Far to much money is spent trying to stop the import of these products. Staff that could be used in other areas of customs or police will be freed up.It would putan end to the drug gangs just getting richer and richer. the shootings/knifings/physical assaults carried out by these gangs would reduce, again freeing up emergency services.
A- do we apply this to drink driving, I genuinely don't know?
B- see above and other things like alcohol abuse and morbidly obese people
C- I'm not sure we do this with current court fines, it usually results in debt collectors being sent round.

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Post by Leisure » Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:37 pm

bobinho wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:28 pm
For us? Just means there will only be me and my mate in the CFS.
Bob - Didn't know you had a mate! 😉😉

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Post by bobinho » Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:49 pm

Pete, he’s the mate that has just reminded me that I have forgot to book you for Huddersfield. 🤔🤣🤣🤣

He’s not happy…

He’s grumpy. 😉🤣

Looks like I’m driving, fair enough tho, my mistake.

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Post by ArthurShelby » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:46 pm

It’s a big BIG problem at football grounds up and down the country and an even bigger problem in society. It’s everywhere and everyone is doing it.

The last time is was in the CFS I found myself thinking ‘Who put toilets in the cocaine room’

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Post by Claretforever » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:18 pm

It’ll be weird hearing our fans singing at normal speed.
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Post by Dy1geo » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:28 pm

You will only know if the clampdown has had an effect, is if the songs gets slower.

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Post by gawthorpe_view » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:29 pm

Claretforever wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:18 pm
It’ll be weird hearing our fans singing at normal speed.
Be like a 78 at 45.

Apologies to anyone under 40 who doesn't understand. :lol:
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Post by Hipper » Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:42 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:48 am
Shouldn’t it be ‘she don’t like’?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIKLRHiK98g

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Post by Panthro » Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:17 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:52 pm
Of course it needs cracking down on at football.
It also needs cracking down on at pubs, restaurants, public toilets, work places etc.

Gordon Ramsay did a series about cocaine a few years ago and discovered that usage in his restaurants was rife.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7440620/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

They're not even sniffing much cocaine, it's been cut so much with other products it's very watered down, pure cocaine sniffed at the same rate would kill most of these idiots :roll:

As a society we've allowed its use to get out of control and become acceptable, in the same way we've done with cannabis usage, so reversing the trend will be nigh on impossible I think.
Bad take this

Statistically, the purity of cocaine in Britain is greater now than ever before and it’s actually the price which has ‘watered down’

Also cannabis, with zero toxicity and well documented medical benefits, belongs nowhere near this conversation

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Post by Roosterbooster » Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:40 pm

Panthro wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:17 pm
Cannabis, with zero toxicity
While I agree that cannabis and cocaine are hugely different, your statement is just plain wrong

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:58 pm

Panthro wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:17 pm
Bad take this

Statistically, the purity of cocaine in Britain is greater now than ever before and it’s actually the price which has ‘watered down’

Also cannabis, with zero toxicity and well documented medical benefits, belongs nowhere near this conversation
Cannabis - yes it has medicinal purposes, however I know of numerous stoners who can't function socially without it and some are struggling with depression so badly the doctors have nothing that works because the cannabis is causing such an issue with the people.

Cocaine - it's watered down, cut with other products, has been for years, these idiots are sniffing all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff.
Pure cocaine would kill them in the same quantity

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Post by Panthro » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:02 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:40 pm
While I agree that cannabis and cocaine are hugely different, your statement is just plain wrong
How so?

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Post by Panthro » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:07 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:58 pm
Cannabis - yes it has medicinal purposes, however I know of numerous stoners who can't function socially without it and some are struggling with depression so badly the doctors have nothing that works because the cannabis is causing such an issue with the people.

Cocaine - it's watered down, cut with other products, has been for years, these idiots are sniffing all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff.
Pure cocaine would kill them in the same quantity
Sorry to hear about your friends who are struggling with depression.

I agree with your last line, but this sentiment can be applied to the active ingredient in most drugs, legal or otherwise (cannabis excepted)

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:17 pm

If you've ever been on a night out with folk who are gurning and chewing their own face and you're not, you know what a crap night out is.

Peruvian pouting powder is taken by folk who can't hold their beer. And tw-ats obviously.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:23 pm

Panthro wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:07 pm
Sorry to hear about your friends who are struggling with depression.

I agree with your last line, but this sentiment can be applied to the active ingredient in most drugs, legal or otherwise (cannabis excepted)
The cannabis is the main issue with the depression being there I suspect, but until they're willing to cut back on their smoking of it they're not going to get much sympathy from me.

With legal drugs you know what you're getting, with the cocaine you don't, why are you so intent on arguing about this?

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Post by Panthro » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:45 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:23 pm
The cannabis is the main issue with the depression being there I suspect, but until they're willing to cut back on their smoking of it they're not going to get much sympathy from me.

With legal drugs you know what you're getting, with the cocaine you don't, why are you so intent on arguing about this?
Well, even with legally dispensed drugs, you don’t actually know what you’re getting, you just feel secure because it’s prescribed or endorsed by a medically professional body. Take a look, there’s a long history of harmful medicines being promoted by doctors.

Listen, cocaine use is not good and has a harmful impact on the users and their wider environment. I endorse anything the club/police/BTP can do to reduce it.

The subject of drug use is emotive for many. I’m interested in this discussion as I think that people making statements based on their emotions rather than facts is really negative and actually harmful to sufferers of dependency and addiction.

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Post by Winstonswhite » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:58 pm

I’ll admit I’ve experienced the vast majority of drugs except the big H. By far and away the one I’ve seen cause the most problems/issues/damage is cannabis more specifically Skunk. People who use it IMO are massively in denial of it effects.

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Post by LeadBelly » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:02 pm

As coincidence would have it. Eric Clapton live in San Diego is just starting on SkyArts at 21.00 (to 23.00)- guests include JJ Cale so I'd bet that this song will be included.

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Post by Panthro » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:12 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:58 pm
I’ll admit I’ve experienced the vast majority of drugs except the big H. By far and away the one I’ve seen cause the most problems/issues/damage is cannabis more specifically Skunk. People who use it IMO are massively in denial of it effects.
Another terrible take!

How damaging or harmful a drug is can, and is measured by its physical and societal impact. Cannabis doesn’t even make the top 5 so I can only assume your personal experiences to be misaligned with the greater environment which is the source of these statistics.

‘Skunk’ is merely a name of a strain or variety of cannabis which is no stronger than many other strains. The tabloid media latched on to this name a few years ago and it’s been misunderstood ever since. I think your opinions are not based on facts

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Post by Winstonswhite » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:31 pm

Panthro wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:12 pm
Another terrible take!

How damaging or harmful a drug is can, and is measured by its physical and societal impact. Cannabis doesn’t even make the top 5 so I can only assume your personal experiences to be misaligned with the greater environment which is the source of these statistics.

‘Skunk’ is merely a name of a strain or variety of cannabis which is no stronger than many other strains. The tabloid media latched on to this name a few years ago and it’s been misunderstood ever since. I think your opinions are not based on facts
Like I said, you’re in denial.

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Re: She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie

Post by Panthro » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:56 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:31 pm
Like I said, you’re in denial.
The only thing I’ve denied is for all of these tired, factually incorrect narratives to be posted without challenge

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Re: She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie

Post by Inchy » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:58 pm

I’m amazed by the amount of young lads that take cocaine. Have they not discovered MDMA?

Miles better

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Re: She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:54 am

Panthro wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:02 pm
How so?
Cannabis, like any drug, is toxic

It has side effects

Prescribed drugs have side effects too. But they have been rigorously tested, and their benefits measured against these effects.

To suggest otherwise is disingenuous

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Re: She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie

Post by Panthro » Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:15 am

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:54 am
Cannabis, like any drug, is toxic

It has side effects

Prescribed drugs have side effects too. But they have been rigorously tested, and their benefits measured against these effects.

To suggest otherwise is disingenuous
The toxicity of cannabis is extremely low, enough to be negligible in that it would be all but impossible to consume enough for it to cause physical harm.

I’ve never suggested that I don’t believe there are side effects to cannabis use either rooster. All I’ve been doing is trying to offer some balance, based on facts

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Re: She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie

Post by Garnerssoap » Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:55 am

Birthdays and special occasions

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Re: She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:38 am

when you go for a job over here in the US you have to go for a drugs test, maybe they should do that in the UK ! lol

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