Some of the guff I’ve seen on here and other social media sights (namely Twitter) about Sean Dyche and his tenure is complete and utter b******s and it’s highly disrespectful for one of our greatest ever managers.

I’m hearing/seeing things from crapping on his press conference style compared with VKs, to saying how much better our signings are now that Dyche isn’t involved (youth etc as though Dyche never bought/developed players) and then about Dyche’s play style as though we couldn’t string two passes together and only ever parked the bus and hoofed it.

The worst is probably putting Kompany on an untouchable pedestal - I’m extremely happy with VK so far and excited about the season ahead but let’s not get ahead of ourselves… We haven’t kicked a ball yet.

If VK has a Burnley career even a 1/4 as successful as Dyche’s then I’ll consider it a great appointment.

It was probably the time to part ways (dumb of Pace to give a 4 year extension mind) but to totally dismiss what Sean’s achievements & contributions to BFC were absolutely stinks.

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I wouldn’t worry about it.

Only the incredibly stupid can’t see what a fantastic job he did to keep us at that level for so long.

They’ll be the first ones to jump on VK’s back if we are not top by September.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:59 pm

I wouldn’t worry about it.

Only the incredibly stupid can’t see what a fantastic job he did to keep us at that level for so long.

They’ll be the first ones to jump on VK’s back if we are not top by September.

This

Being a football fan is a fickle business.

We al know he did great. We developed Gawthorp and we got a trip into the Europa.

But fans tend to hold idealogical views about their club and manager.

He’s good for us. Until he isnt. Then they want him out.

The minute what SD wanted what was best for SD and not the best for club, Thats the point you have to let go.

I feel like he got to the point where he thought he was untouchable and forgot to look after the long term of the club.

The demise of his squad and the squads regard (or lack of) for SD at the end meant it all went a bit sour in the end.

A timely reminder that no one person is bigger than the club
These arent facts. Just opinions. And we all have opinions.

It’s strange, but isn’t really representative of our fan base as a whole.

I genuinely don’t know anyone that actually wanted Sean Dyche to leave when he did.

I wanted him to stay till the end of the season at least. But its futile making these decisions/conclusions when we

1 dont make the decisions
2 dont know all the facts.

What I will say was. On hearing the news I was ambivalent.

I’d come to the conclusion that if you continue to put the same in. You’ll get the same out. It was madness to assume differently.

At least with a change, it had to represent a positive change and improve our chances of staying up. As we all know from games #1 through to #30 (aside from the odd outlier, Brighton 3-0) the results were dire.

No great shock.
The same has happened to the previous owner, ignore the good work that the club will benefit from for years to come, or even give the credit to someone else.

It's football, for some reason people fail to engage their brains at times and let their emotions run wild

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:29 pm

No great shock.
The same has happened to the previous owner, ignore the good work that the club will benefit from for years to come, or even give the credit to someone else.

It's football, for some reason people fail to engage their brains at times and let their emotions run wild

On the one hand you have facts:

He was the most successful manager in the last 50 years with 7 out of 9 years in the PL, an EFL Championship title, best placed top flight position since since 1972/73. First, European campaign for 60 years

He ran a squad that achieved 7th in the PL with tens of millions in the bank..!

And the other, no one knows what kind of legacy will bear fruit from what the owners did so it's not the same.

ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:47 pm

On the one hand you have facts:

He was the most successful manager in the last 50 years with 7 out of 9 years in the PL, an EFL Championship title, best placed top flight position since since 1972/73. First, European campaign for 60 years

He ran a squad that achieved 7th in the PL with tens of millions in the bank..!

And the other, no one knows what kind of legacy will bear fruit from what the owners did so it's not the same.

I watched the interview with the new signing, Egan-Riley and he was asked what he thought of the place and he was very positive.
The same with the earlier signing.

The training ground is helping to attract players, because it's a very good quality set up, not Man City level, but not Rovers level either.

That's a legacy from the previous ownership spending think you'll find.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:59 pm

I wouldn’t worry about it.

Only the incredibly stupid can’t see what a fantastic job he did to keep us at that level for so long.

They’ll be the first ones to jump on VK’s back if we are not top by September.

Exactly this

Why a minority of posters can't see the cracking job SD did for us baffles me, yes the last 2 years have been poor in comparison to what he delivered previously, and it almost certainly was time for a change, both for him and the club, as things were becoming increasingly stale.

But to not even acknowledge the success he brought, and then even worse resort to belittling him by using childish nicknames, just sums up those posters far more as people than Sean.

Kompany is a clever man, and he'll be well aware the tough task he faces in replicating what Sean Dyche brought to the club and the town.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:59 pm

I wouldn’t worry about it.

Only the incredibly stupid can’t see what a fantastic job he did to keep us at that level for so long.

They’ll be the first ones to jump on VK’s back if we are not top by September.

Same happened with Coyle back in the day. Those who had him down as the messiah were the ones crying loudest when he went.

Dyche was really good, Kompany might be. He might also be useless. There ends my analysis to date.

I hate revisionist history and nonsense like Sanditon. As for Dyche you’d have to be pretty stupid not to think that he did a good job overall even if the last 2 years were poor and it was time to go

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:08 pm

I watched the interview with the new signing, Egan-Riley and he was asked what he thought of the place and he was very positive.
The same with the earlier signing.

The training ground is helping to attract players, because it's a very good quality set up, not Man City level, but not Rovers level either.

That's a legacy from the previous ownership spending think you'll find.

If you conveniently forget everything else and think the comments of a 19 year old in his first publicity interview is a reasoned justification then I completely agree.

ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:08 pm

If you conveniently forget everything else and think the comments of a 19 year old in his first publicity interview is a reasoned justification then I completely agree.

You appear to be determined to live up to my previous comment about some fans.
That's fine, you crack tf on, I've got more productive ways to waste my time.

Saint Sean performed miracles.
Eternal gratitude.

I really don't think anyone is totally dismissing what Dyche did for the club in the real world. It was as sad a day for me as it was for tens of thousands of Burnley fans when he was sacked. We are unlikely to see anyone like him again for a very long time.
Kompany will need a lot going for him to get anywhere near what Dyche achieved

VK will make us play the City way. He will have ambitions to manage them, maybe earlier than some think. Let's enjoy the journey.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:59 pm

I wouldn’t worry about it.

Only the incredibly stupid can’t see what a fantastic job he did to keep us at that level for so long.

They’ll be the first ones to jump on VK’s back if we are not top by September.

So true!

I think Sean will go down as one of if not the greatest manager in our history ( the money and wages he was up against was an issue Potts didn't have for example) he got stale towards the end again as has been.mentioned if he had of been backed perhaps this wouldn't have happened, VK is getting put on a pedestal by some because he was one of the greatest leaders and players to grace the Premier league and we are hoping some of that leadership quality runs of on the club.
VK has been exemplary towards the club and what we have achieved, humble in his attitude and realistic about how we.move forward. There is nothing not to admire.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:32 pm

I think Sean will go down as one of if not the greatest manager in our history ( the money and wages he was up against was an issue Potts didn't have for example) he got stale towards the end again as has been.mentioned if he had of been backed perhaps this wouldn't have happened, VK is getting put on a pedestal by some because he was one of the greatest leaders and players to grace the Premier league and we are hoping some of that leadership quality runs of on the club.
VK has been exemplary towards the club and what we have achieved, humble in his attitude and realistic about how we.move forward. There is nothing not to admire.

I agree - I meant more he’s almost being touted as though he’s performing ‘better’ than Dyche ever did if that makes sense?

Everything that’s he’s doing (which I am very impressed and excited by) is followed by a little snide dig. Bizarre

Dyche done a job for us. He had a method which he would/could not deviate from. We were never going anywhere with Dyche apart from a slow slide back to where we came from.

Coyles promotion was far more impressive a feat than anything Dyche ever achieved considering what he had to work with. Dyche inherited a good squad/team and just organised them. He got found out in the end though by most people, there were some of us could see through him a lot earlier.

I think we have a winner

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:59 pm

I wouldn’t worry about it.

Only the incredibly stupid can’t see what a fantastic job he did to keep us at that level for so long.

They’ll be the first ones to jump on VK’s back if we are not top by September.

You see similar across society and relationships- friendships/parenters and families.

The notion that it if it isn't good then it is absolutely terrible and that said person /people are terrible. Failing to accept that outside of the Hollywood /Social Media perceptions that nothing is perfect, absolutely nothing. Relationships go up down and 360. It is life. It applies in football too.

This culture of flip flopping and black/white outcomes is not helped by programmes such as the Apprentice, also the behaviours in TV soaps, Love Island and obviously social media.

There's simply not enough chill and pragmatism in the world!

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:51 am

Dyche done a job for us. He had a method which he would/could not deviate from. We were never going anywhere with Dyche apart from a slow slide back to where we came from.

Coyles promotion was far more impressive a feat than anything Dyche ever achieved considering what he had to work with. Dyche inherited a good squad/team and just organised them. He got found out in the end though by most people, there were some of us could see through him a lot earlier.

Well done mate, I don’t know how we’d manage without informed comments from you

I can see merit in nearly every statement on here!

We will never know whether if we had spent the £50 million early enough Sean would have refreshed and evolved the squad in a manner that we would not have been subjected to Norwich away.

ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:08 pm

If you conveniently forget everything else and think the comments of a 19 year old in his first publicity interview is a reasoned justification then I completely agree.

Kompany also commented very favourably about the training ground and I'm willing to believe that he knows what he's talking about.

But yes, it's nothing new. As others have said, just look how what Coyle achieved has been rewritten in the minds of some. People trying to make out that the promotion was pretty much in spite of him rather than because of him. There's also a lot of bitterness around Howe for some reason too.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:29 pm

No great shock.
The same has happened to the previous owner, ignore the good work that the club will benefit from for years to come, or even give the credit to someone else.

It's football, for some reason people fail to engage their brains at times and let their emotions run wild

I agree. Garlick's legacy is more complex and controversial than Dyches but one look at the finances and how we lost money getting into Europe should be a wake-up call that the penny pincher narrative isn't fair. I'm not happy that he sanctioned a leveraged takeover and can't help but think that in summer 2020 we could have spent a bit more (although understand the hesitation given covid), but IMO the vitriol he gets is very excessive.

aggi wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:33 pm

Kompany also commented very favourably about the training ground and I'm willing to believe that he knows what he's talking about.

It's not unreasonable to assume that without the modern facilities, we wouldn't have Kompany as manager.

What is it with folk getting upset about people that aren’t with the club anymore, move on.

It’s just fickle sports fans, I’ve zero issues with SD, I like him but I’ve not given him a thought for about 2 months

Be better than being just a fickle sports fan. Gratitude and appreciation are more important values to me than moving on.

aggi wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:33 pm

Kompany also commented very favourably about the training ground and I'm willing to believe that he knows what he's talking about.

But yes, it's nothing new. As others have said, just look how what Coyle achieved has been rewritten in the minds of some. People trying to make out that the promotion was pretty much in spite of him rather than because of him. There's also a lot of bitterness around Howe for some reason too.

I think with Coyle it's a little more understandable given the manner of his departure. Had he left the previous summer for Celtic, or Bolton then somehow, or the following summer after whatever a full season brought, I think most fans would have been sad but grateful.

Instead he cut a cloak and dagger deal to leave for Bolton with his entire team leaving the club gutted of its backroom staff, took the transfers he'd been supposedly working on for us, then after having made comments about our lack of depth in midfield and defence, one of Laws' first games is Bolton and if I recall correctly McCann and either Alexander or Duff both got hobbled off injured. A cynical targeting to send us down, I know it's controversial but I blame Coyle far more than Laws for our relegation.
The 08-09 season was magical, fairytale stuff and the start of that first Prem season followed suit, I will never forget that United game, but everything surrounded his departure caused such unbelievable damage to the club and for several years that followed we were recovering from the damage that did to club & fan morale. It can't help but tarnish his legacy.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:55 pm

Be better than being just a fickle sports fan. Gratitude and appreciation are more important values to me than moving on.

Well indeed the club exists through time: the past, the present and the future.

I was proud of the fact that this club had become associated with loyalty and mutual respect. Dyche's repeated assertions about the support of the fan base despite adversity was welcome.

I was impressed with MJ when he showed due respect to Dyche.

Less so, with others who re-iterated tales about £100 million investments going down the drain.

These values are for me are what makes Burnley special- the club and the town...!

And for a while it felt others felt good about us as well. Less so now I think...!

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:55 pm

Some of the guff I’ve seen on here and other social media sights (namely Twitter)

Problem identified. Social media is cancer.