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To get bent over once (Pope) is maybe just careless.
Twice (McNeil 15m) starts to smell like incompetence.
Twice (McNeil 15m) starts to smell like incompetence.
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He comes across as the type of player to sulk and go into his shell though so could be risky keeping him as well... Again, that is just a gut feeling on my part and I could be completely wrong on that...McNeil has always seemed to me (on a mentality level) a bit of a shrinking violet/wouldn’t say boo to a goose type. I might be wrong entirely, it’s just what he projects on the pitch - as a result I don’t think he’ll be the type to be demanding a move. I could be WAY off here, just my thoughts!
I hope I’m right as I think he’ll be the best player in that league
I said a few seasons ago that SD and his team would knock the creativity out of him and was laughed at during the time but I have been proved totally and utterly correct!... It is no coincidence that he started to play better as soon as SD went!... I am still amazed at the comments I keep seeing, putting the blame solely on our outfield players and not on SD and his coaching team because barely any of them improved during his tenure and in fact got worse under his leadership and structured team tactics.
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We'd be mad to sell McNeil for £10-15m, young English talent goes for a premium, and he's got 3 years on his current deal, yes he endured a poor campaign last season, but he's still one of our most creative players when on form, and in the Championship he should be a standout performer, especially in a Kompany team who will attempt to play on the front foot, and with the likes of Twine to aid him now.
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Absolutely unreal how little some of our fans rate McNeil, something weird going on. He's 'one of our own', the only player in the team for about 3 years giving us any creativity, he's a brilliant dribbler and crosser but tracks back and defends well, plenty stamina and hardly ever injured. Aside from Cornet (who we never found a position for and who was always injured) he's the only genuinely impressive attacker we've had for years.
No-one in the team hit the numbers last season, we had a crap season, partly because McNeil had to carry us alone from midfield. It's as though people want to blame him for us going down, when he's one of the only players who is clearly good enough to play in the PL.
3 years left on contract, how old is he, 23? Anything less than £30M is crazy.
No-one in the team hit the numbers last season, we had a crap season, partly because McNeil had to carry us alone from midfield. It's as though people want to blame him for us going down, when he's one of the only players who is clearly good enough to play in the PL.
3 years left on contract, how old is he, 23? Anything less than £30M is crazy.
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McNeil’s value could be increased greatly if Bellamy or someone on the coaching team could get him to shoot on the goals. He had the most shots in the EPL last season without scoring and I suspect that the majority of those went sailing over the bar.
He can be a devastating player on his day but he flaws that need to be ironed out.
Just to be clear I very much hope he stays with Burnley.
He can be a devastating player on his day but he flaws that need to be ironed out.
Just to be clear I very much hope he stays with Burnley.
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He's been crap for about 2 years.Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:28 amYou must be watching a different player to me. Admittedly he didn't play well last season, not many players did, but rubbish in 95 out of 100, I don't think so.
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I think McNeil under VK might be sensational.There is one very good player there potentially who needs to be motivated and to be given trust by his manager.
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Hasn't been has good since he got his attacking play coached out of him, and told to defend instead.
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So why would they want him at all then?Nori1958 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:44 amIam not sure other clubs value him the same as burnley fans do, they will look at his low goal return compared with others, and the ease with which he gets knocked off the ball in dangerous positions, I'd like to keep him, but if his fee can be reinvested in two additions then he might have to be sacrificed, better him than Collins in my opinion
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I think people still forget Dwight is 22 years old, he’s still very very young. To sell him for 10-15 million would be madness. It looks like Keane Lewis potter might be going to Brentford for £20 million, he’s only a year younger and never kicked a ball in the premier league, Brennan Johnson just a year younger had a price tag of £20million, also never kicked a ball in the premier league. There’s not a chance in my mind they are worth more than Dwight. If people want him or any of our players who are under contract for that matter they should be asked to pay top dollar or they stay put simple as that. In my opinion if we keep the likes of Dwight and Collins as well as adding a bit more youth like we have done so far we go up no doubt about it so why sell for discounted prices.
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And if the alarm bells aren't well and truly ringing about this lad... well I'd be concerned about logical thinking.
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Sums it up very well.Paddy1882 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:28 amI think people still forget Dwight is 22 years old, he’s still very very young. To sell him for 10-15 million would be madness. It looks like Keane Lewis potter might be going to Brentford for £20 million, he’s only a year younger and never kicked a ball in the premier league, Brennan Johnson just a year younger had a price tag of £20million, also never kicked a ball in the premier league. There’s not a chance in my mind they are worth more than Dwight. If people want him or any of our players who are under contract for that matter they should be asked to pay top dollar or they stay put simple as that. In my opinion if we keep the likes of Dwight and Collins as well as adding a bit more youth like we have done so far we go up no doubt about it so why sell for discounted prices.
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I think £10-£15m is less than what he’s worth to us. But I don’t think comparisons with other players are necessarily valid. For example, those who work in the game may believe that Brennan Johnson is better, or has the attributes and potential to grow into a better player than McNeil. McNeil’s experience in the Premier League will count for something, but he hasn’t exactly pulled up any trees, so in a way that may actually be at a detriment to how other clubs value him.Paddy1882 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:28 amI think people still forget Dwight is 22 years old, he’s still very very young. To sell him for 10-15 million would be madness. It looks like Keane Lewis potter might be going to Brentford for £20 million, he’s only a year younger and never kicked a ball in the premier league, Brennan Johnson just a year younger had a price tag of £20million, also never kicked a ball in the premier league. There’s not a chance in my mind they are worth more than Dwight. If people want him or any of our players who are under contract for that matter they should be asked to pay top dollar or they stay put simple as that. In my opinion if we keep the likes of Dwight and Collins as well as adding a bit more youth like we have done so far we go up no doubt about it so why sell for discounted prices.
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I haven’t seen the story, does it state that we are only
In for O’Hare if we sell McNeil?
O’Hare is one I mentioned a while back as someone is like us to look at, I think he’s the perfect fit for the 4-2-2-2 shape the VK apparently will utilise .
In for O’Hare if we sell McNeil?
O’Hare is one I mentioned a while back as someone is like us to look at, I think he’s the perfect fit for the 4-2-2-2 shape the VK apparently will utilise .
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Why?dandeclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:29 amAnd if the alarm bells aren't well and truly ringing about this lad... well I'd be concerned about logical thinking.
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Players who have been well scouted in the market do not see their value plummet to less than a million unless something has gone badly wrong.... players like the lad at Derby who started at Man Utd for example, and was a known trouble maker. Nile Ranger as another example.
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Agree. What I noticed was under Jackson he tried to pass with his right foot at times. Under Dyche, hardly ever. I see loads of improvement in him, and that is what people buy, or keep, players for - the future not the past.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:54 amDwights value has suffered for last season. There's obviously a good player in there, which is why he's wanted.
On his day he is worth 50million, but he doesn't have those days often enough. There's no denying our style stifled lots of players, not just Dwight.
I can only see him getting better and increasing in value under VK, so no way I would let him go cheap. I also think he'd play regular for us, he'd probably be a bench filler atm for any Prem club, it would suit everybody if he stays.
Dwight is 4 months younger that Scott Twine. He has played his entire career 2 divisions higher. That is worth pondering for a moment.
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His contract is coming to an end, hence the low pricedandeclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:56 amPlayers who have been well scouted in the market do not see their value plummet to less than a million unless something has gone badly wrong.... players like the lad at Derby who started at Man Utd for example, and was a known trouble maker. Nile Ranger as another example.
What went badly wrong with tarks? He went from 30m to free... It happens
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I’ve seen a couple of threads on foreign Twitter accounts suggesting that Bastien was struggling over the last 18 months due to the effects of Long Covid.Now,I’ve no way of knowing if those comments are correct but if there’s any truth in those statements then I’d hope this would manifest itself when he has his medical.To place this in context,there were also a couple of threads suggesting that a poor attitude was also behind his lacklustre performances. I’ve no idea if either of these claims has any foundation or substance. If it’s the latter then at least that can be resolved with the assistance of a good coaching team. I’m not so sure about the former
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Good points and it wouldn't surprise me if McNeil and Twine were among the top assists charts in the Championship next year, and in such a scenario their values would definitely increase, and put both in the shop window for interested PL clubs.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:57 amAgree. What I noticed was under Jackson he tried to pass with his right foot at times. Under Dyche, hardly ever. I see loads of improvement in him, and that is what people buy, or keep, players for - the future not the past.
Dwight is 4 months younger that Scott Twine. He has played his entire career 2 divisions higher. That is worth pondering for a moment.
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McNeil and O’Hare is that the Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer singing duo
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Seemed to do well last seasonnig1954 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:04 amI’ve seen a couple of threads on foreign Twitter accounts suggesting that Bastien was struggling over the last 18 months due to the effects of Long Covid.Now,I’ve no way of knowing if those comments are correct but if there’s any truth in those statements then I’d hope this would manifest itself when he has his medical.To place this in context,there were also a couple of threads suggesting that a poor attitude was also behind his lacklustre performances. I’ve no idea if either of these claims has any foundation or substance. If it’s the latter then at least that can be resolved with the assistance of a good coaching team. I’m not so sure about the former
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That would be the fall back. The plan of course is that WE would be the interested Premier League club. In keeping them both.
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Imagine this board if we were about to sign a winger for 20m, who had no goals, and no assists last season
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I sincerely hope we keep Dwight McNeil this season. I think it would be massively rewarding for all concerned if he were to stay and play under Kompany in the Championship.
Do not sell.
Do not sell.
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McNeil and Collins are the only two players I wouldn’t sell for any fee this season.
If we are serious about promotion they the two players we build this team around. They are genuine premier league quality players.
If we are serious about promotion they the two players we build this team around. They are genuine premier league quality players.
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Naturally but even if we did achieve promotion, and both impressed, then we'll be in a better position to hold out for big fees.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:09 amThat would be the fall back. The plan of course is that WE would be the interested Premier League club. In keeping them both.
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Some of you lot are mental. Willing to accept £10m for a player who will be crucial to us, with obvious talent, who has lost his way a bit, in a team that has generally lost its way. At his age as well. £10m is a joke.
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Wow, that’s quite a leap.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:56 amPlayers who have been well scouted in the market do not see their value plummet to less than a million unless something has gone badly wrong.... players like the lad at Derby who started at Man Utd for example, and was a known trouble maker. Nile Ranger as another example.
What evidence do you have to suggest he is anything like Ravel Morrison or Niall Ranger?
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He would probably be a revelation if given a licence to do his own thing by big Vince,we need to keep him and let him fulfill his true potential which he never showed under Sean.
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I tend to agree, but if we got offered silly money then we'd likely sell, however that certainly isn't £10-15m in the present market, and on balance I'd rather retain both, at least for a season anyway, to give us the best possible chance of bouncing back.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:12 amMcNeil and Collins are the only two players I wouldn’t sell for any fee this season.
If we are serious about promotion they the two players we build this team around. They are genuine premier league quality players.
I'm excited how McNeil will develop under Kompany, his progress has definitely stalled over the past couple of years, but it's worth remembering the bright young talent who emerged onto the scene back in 2018 against West Ham.
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Very well put.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:13 amSome of you lot are mental. Willing to accept £10m for a player who will be crucial to us, with obvious talent, who has lost his way a bit, in a team that has generally lost its way. At his age as well. £10m is a joke.
In this market he’s worth considerably more. And to us he is worth even more than that. I honestly believe with McNeil (and Collins) promotion is a realistic target (potentially even automatic).
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Played 29 league games scored 1 and had 0 assists
Infact over 4 season's he's played 103 games and had only 7 assists, when I first looked at him I thought this lad would be excellent for us but looking at his last 4 season's I'm not sure, but if he comes Vk Must see something
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I 100% agree. People forget how good mcneil is due to a poor season.tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:18 amI tend to agree, but if we got offered silly money then we'd likely sell, however that certainly isn't £10-15m in the present market, and on balance I'd rather retain both, at least for a season anyway, to give us the best possible chance of bouncing back.
I'm excited how McNeil will develop under Kompany, his progress has definitely stalled over the past couple of years, but it's worth remembering the bright young talent who emerged onto the scene back in 2018 against West Ham.
If he gets back to the player from two years ago under Kompany he is a top top player
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Dwight should get more chance to shine in the Championship as we should be on top in many more games, often in the PL he was required or ordered to defend more than attack, which although he did his best isn't his natural game.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:20 amI 100% agree. People forget how good mcneil is due to a poor season.
If he gets back to the player from two years ago under Kompany he is a top top player
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I was looking more at his passing success rate, which is important for the position he playsClaretMov wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:20 amPlayed 29 league games scored 1 and had 0 assists
Infact over 4 season's he's played 103 games and had only 7 assists, when I first looked at him I thought this lad would be excellent for us but looking at his last 4 season's I'm not sure, but if he comes Vk Must see something
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We should not be letting any Premier League club buy any first team players for as little as £10m ( unless in last year if contract etc.as with Pope ) McNeil has been poor for a while now, but seemingly not poor enough to put off Premier League clubs.
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It's time we got a grip regarding player's valuations in terms of simply being a soft touch, it was criminal to accept 10m for Pope and the same would apply with McNeil, yes in parts he had a poor season last season, imo that was down to the manager's tactics, but we know how good he is and so does he's prospective buyer, we should be holding out for a realistic figure, which in my opinion would start at 20m. However, my opinion is that we should do everything possible to keep him, he will be instrumental in getting us back up, as would cornet, keep these 2 with our recent signings and ongoing transfer business and we go back up, sell them and it's a different story.
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If we were to bounce straight back up we would need to bring in proven premier League players to strengthen. With the inflated prices that happen over night as soon so you gain premier League status we would end up paying over the odds for players. We need to keep McNeil and Collins as we won't be able to afford to replace that calibre .
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Yes I agree. And I want him to stay. I'm not sure the club will though if they get offered say £15m.alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:27 amIt's time we got a grip regarding player's valuations in terms of simply being a soft touch, it was criminal to accept 10m for Pope and the same would apply with McNeil, yes in parts he had a poor season last season, imo that was down to the manager's tactics, but we know how good he is and so does he's prospective buyer, we should be holding out for a realistic figure, which in my opinion would start at 20m. However, my opinion is that we should do everything possible to keep him, he will be instrumental in getting us back up, as would cornet, keep these 2 with our recent signings and ongoing transfer business and we go back up, sell them and it's a different story.
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Neither am I, but as I say we should be starting at 20m. McNeil, cornet, twine, Muleka, brownhill, plus a right winger we'll tear it up imo, vydra at Xmas if he signs would link up excellent with twine. O'hare looks like he could link up with the one's I've mentioned there, all forward thinking players, let the defence do the defending, something that in the last season or two didn't happen under dyche, which is why we should be keeping McNeil, he wasn't allowed to play he's game under the previous manager, and it showed when he left.
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How to ruin a Sunday morning.
Log on here and see how little some of our fans rate the only youth prospect we have produced in 10 years.
Just shut the club down.
Log on here and see how little some of our fans rate the only youth prospect we have produced in 10 years.
Just shut the club down.
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Aye, heaven forbid someone disagrees with you.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:51 amHow to ruin a Sunday morning.
Log on here and see how little some of our fans rate the only youth prospect we have produced in 10 years.
Just shut the club down.
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He mentioned how little some fans rate him. Should everyone rate McNeil because he's come through the ranks? Personally I'd keep him (even though he's been pap for 2 years). It doesn't mean nobody can think differently.Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:56 amYou can disagree but there is no need to call him rubbish.
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For goodness sake…Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:51 amHow to ruin a Sunday morning.
Log on here and see how little some of our fans rate the only youth prospect we have produced in 10 years.
Just shut the club down.
People are allowed to have different opinions, the messageboard would be far worse off if everyone just agreed with each other. Yes, there are a handful of posters who get their kicks from trying to provoke a response. You only have to spend a bit of time on here to know who they are.
Shutting down any kind of debate because people don’t agree with you is just ridiculous and juvenile.
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taio wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:10 amI fully agree with your sentiment about keeping McNeil and I so hope he stays. The point I make is I believe the club would sell for up to £15m, not £25m. I believe Gibbs-White is also different circumstances but in any case he hasn't been sold for £20m. The only thing we have to go off right now in our new circumstances is the £10m the owner accepted for Pope - different I know but the only current baseline we have about appetite for holding out for big fees.
I see what you are saying about the owner and Pope but wouldn't it be a different scenario with McNeil and his position/age maybe . I'd be hoping on at least £20m should McNeil be sold.