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McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:20 am

Alan Nixon suggesting Palace and West Ham are keen on McNeil but are both put off by us wanting more than £10m.

He goes on to say that we would be keen on landing Coventry midfielder Callum O’Hare if he goes.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:24 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:20 am
Alan Nixon suggesting Palace and West Ham are keen on McNeil but are both put off by us wanting more than £10m.

He goes on to say that we would be keen on landing Coventry midfielder Callum O’Hare if he goes.
I'd say McNeil is worth around 15m, and to be fair I've never heard of the lad from Coventry

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:25 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:24 am
I'd say McNeil is worth around 15m, and to be fair I've never heard of the lad from Coventry
I’d personally be doing everything to keep McNeil if we are serious about promotion, as I believe he’ll be the best attacking player in the division. 20-25m I’d be asking for (might not be WORTH that in the market but for us he is).
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:44 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:25 am
I’d personally be doing everything to keep McNeil if we are serious about promotion, as I believe he’ll be the best attacking player in the division. 20-25m I’d be asking for (might not be WORTH that in the market but for us he is).
Iam not sure other clubs value him the same as burnley fans do, they will look at his low goal return compared with others, and the ease with which he gets knocked off the ball in dangerous positions, I'd like to keep him, but if his fee can be reinvested in two additions then he might have to be sacrificed, better him than Collins in my opinion

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:45 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:25 am
I’d personally be doing everything to keep McNeil if we are serious about promotion, as I believe he’ll be the best attacking player in the division. 20-25m I’d be asking for (might not be WORTH that in the market but for us he is).
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:50 am

I hope McNeil stays but realistically the club would surely let him leave for £10m - £15m.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:52 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:44 am
Iam not sure other clubs value him the same as burnley fans do, they will look at his low goal return compared with others, and the ease with which he gets knocked off the ball in dangerous positions, I'd like to keep him, but if his fee can be reinvested in two additions then he might have to be sacrificed, better him than Collins in my opinion
Understand other clubs may not value him at that - that’s fine, they don’t pay it and we keep him! It’s like Declan Rice being ‘valued’ at 150m by West Ham, no way on earth should he be, but that’s what he’s worth for them to keep.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:53 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:50 am
I hope McNeil stays but realistically the club would surely let him leave for £10m - £15m.
It wasn’t long ago fees above 25m were being talked about. A quiet season and suddenly we should accept 10-15m? He was playing in a dire team. Full season of attacking football in the Champ and his value will be back above 25m min.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:56 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:53 am
It wasn’t long ago fees above 25m were being talked about. A quiet season and suddenly we should accept 10-15m? He was playing in a dire team. Full season of attacking football in the Champ and his value will be back above 25m min.
Valuations reduce on relegation - key difference. I'm not saying what should happen - I'm saying that I believe the club would accept a fee of £10m - £15m for him this window.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:58 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:56 am
Valuations reduce on relegation - key difference. I'm not saying what should happen - I'm saying that I believe the club would accept a fee of £10m - £15m for him this window.
Fair enough. Though I recall Norwich holding out for 25m+ for Cantwell and got 30m+ for Buendia. 10-15m for a 22 year old English winger with 100 PL appearances is a steal.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by SouthLondonexile » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:01 am

I say try and keep McNeil if at all possible. He will run rings around Championship teams, well most of them.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Mattster » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:02 am

Gibbs-White is valued at over £20m after one good Championship season despite attitude problems in the past and never making an impact at PL level. One good season at this level and McNeil is worth near triple that £10m, Pace would be mad to sell him at that price given his length of contract.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:03 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:58 am
Fair enough. Though I recall Norwich holding out for 25m+ for Cantwell and got 30m+ for Buendia. 10-15m for a 22 year old English winger with 100 PL appearances is a steal.
All I'm saying is if he goes I think it will be for £10m - £15m Figure of £25m feels like pie in the sky to me.

Cantwell is still a Norwich player and Buendia very different circumstances.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:05 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:03 am
All I'm saying is if he goes I think it will be for £10m - £15m Figure of £25m feels like pie in the sky to me.

Cantwell is still a Norwich player and Buendia very different circumstances.
It may feel pie in the sky but that’s kinda the point, we ask something no one is going to pay, and then no one pays it. As Mattster just said, Gibbs White has one good season in the Champ and is now a 20m player. McNeil has 100 PL appearances and generally been rated a top young talent at that level.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:06 am

No deal thanks….. £15m is nowhere near enough. Much more valuable to us as a player than that.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:08 am

Mattster wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:02 am
Gibbs-White is valued at over £20m after one good Championship season despite attitude problems in the past and never making an impact at PL level. One good season at this level and McNeil is worth near triple that £10m, Pace would be mad to sell him at that price given his length of contract.
I was going to post the exact same thing, we'd be bonkers to accept anything close to 10 million

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:10 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:05 am
It may feel pie in the sky but that’s kinda the point, we ask something no one is going to pay, and then no one pays it. As Mattster just said, Gibbs White has one good season in the Champ and is now a 20m player. McNeil has 100 PL appearances and generally been rated a top young talent at that level.
I fully agree with your sentiment about keeping McNeil and I so hope he stays. The point I make is I believe the club would sell for up to £15m, not £25m. I believe Gibbs-White is also different circumstances but in any case he hasn't been sold for £20m. The only thing we have to go off right now in our new circumstances is the £10m the owner accepted for Pope - different I know but the only current baseline we have about appetite for holding out for big fees.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Mattster » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:19 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:10 am
I fully agree with your sentiment about keeping McNeil and I so hope he stays. The point I make is I believe the club would sell for up to £15m, not £25m. I believe Gibbs-White is also different circumstances but in any case he hasn't been sold for £20m. The only thing we have to go off right now in our new circumstances is the £10m the owner accepted for Pope - different I know but the only current baseline we have about appetite for holding out for big fees.
More pressure on selling Pope given his need to be playing PL football to go to the World Cup, having a shorter contract, being an older player and also not having the on the ball attributes VK wants from his keeper.

Feel we're in a stronger position to hold out for more with McNeil.

I will say that O'Hare would be a really good replacement for McNeil, would love us to bring him in and keep McNeil in an ideal world.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:24 am

Mattster wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:19 am
More pressure on selling Pope given his need to be playing PL football to go to the World Cup, having a shorter contract, being an older player and also not having the on the ball attributes VK wants from his keeper.

Feel we're in a stronger position to hold out for more with McNeil.

I will say that O'Hare would be a really good replacement for McNeil, would love us to bring him in and keep McNeil in an ideal world.
Yes, I acknowledged the circumstances were different with Pope, but that's all we have to go off in terms of where the owner might set the bar with fees - for Pope is was a ridiculous amount to accept from Newcastle in my view.

I think we should hold out for as much as possible for McNeil which hopefully means he stays, but I doubt we would to the extent being suggested.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:27 am

Mattster wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:19 am
More pressure on selling Pope given his need to be playing PL football to go to the World Cup, having a shorter contract, being an older player and also not having the on the ball attributes VK wants from his keeper.

Feel we're in a stronger position to hold out for more with McNeil.

I will say that O'Hare would be a really good replacement for McNeil, would love us to bring him in and keep McNeil in an ideal world.
Agree with this. McNeil has 3 years left on his contract. Plus there’s more than one team interested unlike Pope with Newcastle.

Not seen much on O’Hare but I’d have thought that area of the pitch is somewhere we do need more depth anyway.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by joey13 » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:36 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:53 am
It wasn’t long ago fees above 25m were being talked about. A quiet season and suddenly we should accept 10-15m? He was playing in a dire team. Full season of attacking football in the Champ and his value will be back above 25m min.
Fees above 25 million talked about by who , I’d snap their hands off with a 10 million bid .

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:41 am

joey13 wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:36 am
Fees above 25 million talked about by who , I’d snap their hands off with a 10 million bid .
Fair enough but I find that utterly ridiculous. I take it you were also one who was disgraced by us accepting 10-15m for Pope.

25m+ was talked about over the past few transfer windows when the likes of Villa and Everton were sniffing.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:47 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:41 am
Fair enough but I find that utterly ridiculous. I take it you were also one who was disgraced by us accepting 10-15m for Pope.

25m+ was talked about over the past few transfer windows when the likes of Villa and Everton were sniffing.
We never got close to selling McNeil for £25m did we? Irrespective of that he would of course have been worth much more while we were in the PL. I'm sceptical about media reports on potential fees prior to sale, but if you're not then it seems according to your opening post Nixon is suggesting over £10m.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by beddie » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:49 am

We need to keep him. A good season with us could increase his value.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:02 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:47 am
We never got close to selling McNeil for £25m did we? Irrespective of that he would of course have been worth much more while we were in the PL. I'm sceptical about media reports on potential fees prior to sale, but if you're not then it seems according to your opening post Nixon is suggesting over £10m.
https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/t ... a-21090186

Here is a link from just over a year ago where he was linked with a 25m move to Everton.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:07 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:41 am
Fair enough but I find that utterly ridiculous. I take it you were also one who was disgraced by us accepting 10-15m for Pope.

25m+ was talked about over the past few transfer windows when the likes of Villa and Everton were sniffing.
We're buying a player for 800k who two years ago his club valued him at 20m, clubs offered 12m but the club didn't sell him, for all kinds of reasons some players decrease in value

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:08 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:02 am
https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/t ... a-21090186

Here is a link from just over a year ago where he was linked with a 25m move to Everton.
I don't understand the particular relevance of linking an article of a year ago - we don't know they offered £25m, we obviously didn't sell him, he didn't have a good season since the article was published and, again, we were in the PL then not the Championship.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:11 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:07 am
We're buying a player for 800k who two years ago his club valued him at 20m, clubs offered 12m but the club didn't sell him, for all kinds of reasons some players decrease in value
You are spectacularly missing the point so fair enough.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by FeedTheArf » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:11 am

Now is not the time to be selling Dwight. We know he’s worth much more than £10m, but after last season you can see why clubs would try to low ball us (especially with our financial situation).

He had a poor season last year by his standards. A season at this level, getting his confidence back and weighing in with goals and assists will do wonders for him. And whether we go back up or not it’ll help his transfer value.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:12 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:08 am
I don't understand the particular relevance of linking an article of a year ago - we don't know they offered £25m, we obviously didn't sell him, he didn't have a good season since the article was published and, again, we were in the PL then not the Championship.
You asked where this 25m valuation came from, or someone did.

And my entire point here is that we should and could hold out for a fee north of 20m, if no buyers, great, we keep him.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:14 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:11 am
You are spectacularly missing the point so fair enough.
I didn't, but not wishing to start an argument, iam off for breakfast, have a great morning

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Pearcey » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:20 am

I’d imagine McNeil really doesn’t want to take a backward step in his career and play in the championship. Don’t know much about O’Hare other than that he appears to be loved by Cov fans.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Claret Alfie » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:20 am

£10 million seems cheap, especially if there’s a few clubs after him. We paid that for Hendrick 6 years ago :shock:
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:22 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:12 am
You asked where this 25m valuation came from, or someone did.

And my entire point here is that we should and could hold out for a fee north of 20m, if no buyers, great, we keep him.
I dont think I did ask that. Im not that interested in a fee being quoted in the media a year ago. Lots of water under the bridge since then and we've no idea if it was accurate in the first place. Much larger fees were being quoted in the media for Pope and that obviously didn't materialise. However, if you want to take account of what a journalist says then consider what Nixon has said about more than £10m.

I know and fully appreciate your entire point. agree with the principle of it. What I'm saying though is I believe the club would sell for up to £15m.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by claret2018 » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:22 am

£10m would be a good deal for us. He may have played 100 PL games but 95 of those he was rubbish in.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:28 am

claret2018 wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:22 am
£10m would be a good deal for us. He may have played 100 PL games but 95 of those he was rubbish in.
You must be watching a different player to me. Admittedly he didn't play well last season, not many players did, but rubbish in 95 out of 100, I don't think so.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 am

claret2018 wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:22 am
£10m would be a good deal for us. He may have played 100 PL games but 95 of those he was rubbish in.
I’m all for people having an opinion, but my word there’s some truly awful ones that are miles off it floating around.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Burnley Ace » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:33 am

I do t think he would get in the WH team, perhaps for the cup matches or as a sub. Not convinced he would be a starter at Palace either. Until he gets more confidence using his right foot he isn’t going to progress as we hoped.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:33 am

The key to whether he goes or not I suspect is if he wants to leave
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:37 am

claret2018 wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:22 am
£10m would be a good deal for us. He may have played 100 PL games but 95 of those he was rubbish in.
Wow😂
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:40 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:33 am
The key to whether he goes or not I suspect is if he wants to leave
Good point - perhaps he can see a year in the Champ being a star performer will benefit him, he’s a confidence player. With training apparently being ‘buzzing’ over the past few weeks and with more attacking football on offer, perhaps he is fine with staying.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by jedi_master » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:40 am

McNeil has always seemed to me (on a mentality level) a bit of a shrinking violet/wouldn’t say boo to a goose type. I might be wrong entirely, it’s just what he projects on the pitch - as a result I don’t think he’ll be the type to be demanding a move. I could be WAY off here, just my thoughts!

I hope I’m right as I think he’ll be the best player in that league.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Quicknick » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:40 am

O'Hare is highly regarded at Coventry. He certainly looks good on YouTube highlights. I'd rather keep McNeil.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by taio » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:33 am
The key to whether he goes or not I suspect is if he wants to leave
If West Ham or Everton, for instance, come in for him I'm sure he'd want to go which would be totally understandable

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by scouseclaret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:53 am

The issue here is to what extent we need to sell him. He’s under contract, so if we’re to sell him it should only be at a premium to what we think he’s worth, or what he’s worth to us. On that basis £10-15m looks way too low.

On the other hand, if we “need” to sell him that would be very worrying, but BFC does seem to be a very soft-touch in the transfer market.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:54 am

Dwights value has suffered for last season. There's obviously a good player in there, which is why he's wanted.
On his day he is worth 50million, but he doesn't have those days often enough. There's no denying our style stifled lots of players, not just Dwight.
I can only see him getting better and increasing in value under VK, so no way I would let him go cheap. I also think he'd play regular for us, he'd probably be a bench filler atm for any Prem club, it would suit everybody if he stays.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Boss Hogg » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:01 am

claret2018 wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:22 am
£10m would be a good deal for us. He may have played 100 PL games but 95 of those he was rubbish in.
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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by It Is What It Is » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:02 am

scouseclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:53 am
The issue here is to what extent we need to sell him. He’s under contract, so if we’re to sell him it should only be at a premium to what we think he’s worth, or what he’s worth to us. On that basis £10-15m looks way too low.

On the other hand, if we “need” to sell him that would be very worrying, but BFC does seem to be a very soft-touch in the transfer market.
If McNeil was sold same time as Woods, there would be plenty of bidders at the £20-25m mark. He was an established Prem League player and in decent form.
Relegation, loss of a bit of form and 6 months later, £12 is about right.

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:05 am

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:40 am
McNeil has always seemed to me (on a mentality level) a bit of a shrinking violet/wouldn’t say boo to a goose type. I might be wrong entirely, it’s just what he projects on the pitch - as a result I don’t think he’ll be the type to be demanding a move. I could be WAY off here, just my thoughts!

I hope I’m right as I think he’ll be the best player in that league.
It usually is the agent though, they’re like manipulative partners 😂

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Re: McNeil & O’Hare

Post by BigChaCha » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:05 am

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/t ... a-21090186

Here is a link from just over a year ago where he was linked with a 25m move to Everton.
I don't understand the particular relevance of linking an article of a year ago - we don't know they offered £25m, we obviously didn't sell him, he didn't have a good season since the article was published and, again, we were in the PL then not the Championship.
That tittle-tattle rumour piece about 25m has as much relevance and is probably more realistic than the tittle-tattle rumour piece of 10m that we don't know anyone has offered and what everyone is wasting their energy commenting about in this thread!

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