• McNeil & O’Hare

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:13 am**

To get bent over once (Pope) is maybe just careless.

Twice (McNeil 15m) starts to smell like incompetence.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:14 am**

McNeil has always seemed to me (on a mentality level) a bit of a shrinking violet/wouldn’t say boo to a goose type. I might be wrong entirely, it’s just what he projects on the pitch - as a result I don’t think he’ll be the type to be demanding a move. I could be WAY off here, just my thoughts!

I hope I’m right as I think he’ll be the best player in that league

He comes across as the type of player to sulk and go into his shell though so could be risky keeping him as well... Again, that is just a gut feeling on my part and I could be completely wrong on that...

I said a few seasons ago that SD and his team would knock the creativity out of him and was laughed at during the time but I have been proved totally and utterly correct!... It is no coincidence that he started to play better as soon as SD went!... I am still amazed at the comments I keep seeing, putting the blame solely on our outfield players and not on SD and his coaching team because barely any of them improved during his tenure and in fact got worse under his leadership and structured team tactics.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:17 am**

We'd be mad to sell McNeil for £10-15m, young English talent goes for a premium, and he's got 3 years on his current deal, yes he endured a poor campaign last season, but he's still one of our most creative players when on form, and in the Championship he should be a standout performer, especially in a Kompany team who will attempt to play on the front foot, and with the likes of Twine to aid him now.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:18 am**

Absolutely unreal how little some of our fans rate McNeil, something weird going on. He's 'one of our own', the only player in the team for about 3 years giving us any creativity, he's a brilliant dribbler and crosser but tracks back and defends well, plenty stamina and hardly ever injured. Aside from Cornet (who we never found a position for and who was always injured) he's the only genuinely impressive attacker we've had for years.
No-one in the team hit the numbers last season, we had a crap season, partly because McNeil had to carry us alone from midfield. It's as though people want to blame him for us going down, when he's one of the only players who is clearly good enough to play in the PL.
3 years left on contract, how old is he, 23? Anything less than £30M is crazy.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:18 am**

McNeil’s value could be increased greatly if Bellamy or someone on the coaching team could get him to shoot on the goals. He had the most shots in the EPL last season without scoring and I suspect that the majority of those went sailing over the bar.

He can be a devastating player on his day but he flaws that need to be ironed out.

Just to be clear I very much hope he stays with Burnley.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:19 am**

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Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:23 am**

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:28 am
You must be watching a different player to me. Admittedly he didn't play well last season, not many players did, but rubbish in 95 out of 100, I don't think so.

He's been crap for about 2 years.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:25 am**

I think McNeil under VK might be sensational.There is one very good player there potentially who needs to be motivated and to be given trust by his manager.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:26 am**

Hasn't been has good since he got his attacking play coached out of him, and told to defend instead.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:26 am**

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:44 am
Iam not sure other clubs value him the same as burnley fans do, they will look at his low goal return compared with others, and the ease with which he gets knocked off the ball in dangerous positions, I'd like to keep him, but if his fee can be reinvested in two additions then he might have to be sacrificed, better him than Collins in my opinion

So why would they want him at all then?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:28 am**

I think people still forget Dwight is 22 years old, he’s still very very young. To sell him for 10-15 million would be madness. It looks like Keane Lewis potter might be going to Brentford for £20 million, he’s only a year younger and never kicked a ball in the premier league, Brennan Johnson just a year younger had a price tag of £20million, also never kicked a ball in the premier league. There’s not a chance in my mind they are worth more than Dwight. If people want him or any of our players who are under contract for that matter they should be asked to pay top dollar or they stay put simple as that. In my opinion if we keep the likes of Dwight and Collins as well as adding a bit more youth like we have done so far we go up no doubt about it so why sell for discounted prices.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:29 am**

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:07 am
We're buying a player for 800k who two years ago his club valued him at 20m, clubs offered 12m but the club didn't sell him, for all kinds of reasons some players decrease in value

And if the alarm bells aren't well and truly ringing about this lad... well I'd be concerned about logical thinking.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:35 am**

Paddy1882 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:28 am
I think people still forget Dwight is 22 years old, he’s still very very young. To sell him for 10-15 million would be madness. It looks like Keane Lewis potter might be going to Brentford for £20 million, he’s only a year younger and never kicked a ball in the premier league, Brennan Johnson just a year younger had a price tag of £20million, also never kicked a ball in the premier league. There’s not a chance in my mind they are worth more than Dwight. If people want him or any of our players who are under contract for that matter they should be asked to pay top dollar or they stay put simple as that. In my opinion if we keep the likes of Dwight and Collins as well as adding a bit more youth like we have done so far we go up no doubt about it so why sell for discounted prices.

Sums it up very well.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:42 am**

Paddy1882 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:28 am
I think people still forget Dwight is 22 years old, he’s still very very young. To sell him for 10-15 million would be madness. It looks like Keane Lewis potter might be going to Brentford for £20 million, he’s only a year younger and never kicked a ball in the premier league, Brennan Johnson just a year younger had a price tag of £20million, also never kicked a ball in the premier league. There’s not a chance in my mind they are worth more than Dwight. If people want him or any of our players who are under contract for that matter they should be asked to pay top dollar or they stay put simple as that. In my opinion if we keep the likes of Dwight and Collins as well as adding a bit more youth like we have done so far we go up no doubt about it so why sell for discounted prices.

I think £10-£15m is less than what he’s worth to us. But I don’t think comparisons with other players are necessarily valid. For example, those who work in the game may believe that Brennan Johnson is better, or has the attributes and potential to grow into a better player than McNeil. McNeil’s experience in the Premier League will count for something, but he hasn’t exactly pulled up any trees, so in a way that may actually be at a detriment to how other clubs value him.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:46 am**

I haven’t seen the story, does it state that we are only
In for O’Hare if we sell McNeil?

O’Hare is one I mentioned a while back as someone is like us to look at, I think he’s the perfect fit for the 4-2-2-2 shape the VK apparently will utilise .

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:48 am**

gtclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:26 am
So why would they want him at all then?

They might not

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:49 am**

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:29 am
And if the alarm bells aren't well and truly ringing about this lad... well I'd be concerned about logical thinking.

Why?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:56 am**

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:49 am
Why?

Players who have been well scouted in the market do not see their value plummet to less than a million unless something has gone badly wrong.... players like the lad at Derby who started at Man Utd for example, and was a known trouble maker. Nile Ranger as another example.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:57 am**

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:54 am
Dwights value has suffered for last season. There's obviously a good player in there, which is why he's wanted.
On his day he is worth 50million, but he doesn't have those days often enough. There's no denying our style stifled lots of players, not just Dwight.
I can only see him getting better and increasing in value under VK, so no way I would let him go cheap. I also think he'd play regular for us, he'd probably be a bench filler atm for any Prem club, it would suit everybody if he stays.

Agree. What I noticed was under Jackson he tried to pass with his right foot at times. Under Dyche, hardly ever. I see loads of improvement in him, and that is what people buy, or keep, players for - the future not the past.

Dwight is 4 months younger that Scott Twine. He has played his entire career 2 divisions higher. That is worth pondering for a moment.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:03 am**

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:56 am
Players who have been well scouted in the market do not see their value plummet to less than a million unless something has gone badly wrong.... players like the lad at Derby who started at Man Utd for example, and was a known trouble maker. Nile Ranger as another example.

His contract is coming to an end, hence the low price

What went badly wrong with tarks? He went from 30m to free... It happens

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:04 am**

I’ve seen a couple of threads on foreign Twitter accounts suggesting that Bastien was struggling over the last 18 months due to the effects of Long Covid.Now,I’ve no way of knowing if those comments are correct but if there’s any truth in those statements then I’d hope this would manifest itself when he has his medical.To place this in context,there were also a couple of threads suggesting that a poor attitude was also behind his lacklustre performances. I’ve no idea if either of these claims has any foundation or substance. If it’s the latter then at least that can be resolved with the assistance of a good coaching team. I’m not so sure about the former

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:07 am**

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:57 am
Agree. What I noticed was under Jackson he tried to pass with his right foot at times. Under Dyche, hardly ever. I see loads of improvement in him, and that is what people buy, or keep, players for - the future not the past.

Dwight is 4 months younger that Scott Twine. He has played his entire career 2 divisions higher. That is worth pondering for a moment.

Good points and it wouldn't surprise me if McNeil and Twine were among the top assists charts in the Championship next year, and in such a scenario their values would definitely increase, and put both in the shop window for interested PL clubs.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:08 am**

McNeil and O’Hare is that the Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer singing duo

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:08 am**

nig1954 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:04 am
I’ve seen a couple of threads on foreign Twitter accounts suggesting that Bastien was struggling over the last 18 months due to the effects of Long Covid.Now,I’ve no way of knowing if those comments are correct but if there’s any truth in those statements then I’d hope this would manifest itself when he has his medical.To place this in context,there were also a couple of threads suggesting that a poor attitude was also behind his lacklustre performances. I’ve no idea if either of these claims has any foundation or substance. If it’s the latter then at least that can be resolved with the assistance of a good coaching team. I’m not so sure about the former

Seemed to do well last season

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:09 am**

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:07 am
Good points and it wouldn't surprise me if McNeil and Twine were among the top assists charts in the Championship next year, and in such a scenario their values would definitely increase, and put both in the shop window for interested PL clubs.

That would be the fall back. The plan of course is that WE would be the interested Premier League club. In keeping them both.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:10 am**

Imagine this board if we were about to sign a winger for 20m, who had no goals, and no assists last season

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:10 am**

I sincerely hope we keep Dwight McNeil this season. I think it would be massively rewarding for all concerned if he were to stay and play under Kompany in the Championship.

Do not sell.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:12 am**

McNeil and Collins are the only two players I wouldn’t sell for any fee this season.

If we are serious about promotion they the two players we build this team around. They are genuine premier league quality players.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:12 am**

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:09 am
That would be the fall back. The plan of course is that WE would be the interested Premier League club. In keeping them both.

Naturally but even if we did achieve promotion, and both impressed, then we'll be in a better position to hold out for big fees.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:13 am**

Some of you lot are mental. Willing to accept £10m for a player who will be crucial to us, with obvious talent, who has lost his way a bit, in a team that has generally lost its way. At his age as well. £10m is a joke.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:15 am**

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:10 am
Imagine this board if we were about to sign a winger for 20m, who had no goals, and no assists last season

Why do you think Premier League clubs are even interested in buying him? For a laugh?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:16 am**

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:56 am
Players who have been well scouted in the market do not see their value plummet to less than a million unless something has gone badly wrong.... players like the lad at Derby who started at Man Utd for example, and was a known trouble maker. Nile Ranger as another example.

Wow, that’s quite a leap.

What evidence do you have to suggest he is anything like Ravel Morrison or Niall Ranger?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:17 am**

He would probably be a revelation if given a licence to do his own thing by big Vince,we need to keep him and let him fulfill his true potential which he never showed under Sean.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:18 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:12 am
McNeil and Collins are the only two players I wouldn’t sell for any fee this season.

If we are serious about promotion they the two players we build this team around. They are genuine premier league quality players.

I tend to agree, but if we got offered silly money then we'd likely sell, however that certainly isn't £10-15m in the present market, and on balance I'd rather retain both, at least for a season anyway, to give us the best possible chance of bouncing back.

I'm excited how McNeil will develop under Kompany, his progress has definitely stalled over the past couple of years, but it's worth remembering the bright young talent who emerged onto the scene back in 2018 against West Ham.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:19 am**

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:13 am
Some of you lot are mental. Willing to accept £10m for a player who will be crucial to us, with obvious talent, who has lost his way a bit, in a team that has generally lost its way. At his age as well. £10m is a joke.

Very well put.

In this market he’s worth considerably more. And to us he is worth even more than that. I honestly believe with McNeil (and Collins) promotion is a realistic target (potentially even automatic).

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:20 am**

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:08 am
Seemed to do well last season

Played 29 league games scored 1 and had 0 assists
Infact over 4 season's he's played 103 games and had only 7 assists, when I first looked at him I thought this lad would be excellent for us but looking at his last 4 season's I'm not sure, but if he comes Vk Must see something

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:20 am**

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:18 am
I tend to agree, but if we got offered silly money then we'd likely sell, however that certainly isn't £10-15m in the present market, and on balance I'd rather retain both, at least for a season anyway, to give us the best possible chance of bouncing back.

I'm excited how McNeil will develop under Kompany, his progress has definitely stalled over the past couple of years, but it's worth remembering the bright young talent who emerged onto the scene back in 2018 against West Ham.

I 100% agree. People forget how good mcneil is due to a poor season.

If he gets back to the player from two years ago under Kompany he is a top top player

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:26 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:20 am
I 100% agree. People forget how good mcneil is due to a poor season.

If he gets back to the player from two years ago under Kompany he is a top top player

Dwight should get more chance to shine in the Championship as we should be on top in many more games, often in the PL he was required or ordered to defend more than attack, which although he did his best isn't his natural game.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:27 am**

ClaretMov wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:20 am
Played 29 league games scored 1 and had 0 assists
Infact over 4 season's he's played 103 games and had only 7 assists, when I first looked at him I thought this lad would be excellent for us but looking at his last 4 season's I'm not sure, but if he comes Vk Must see something

I was looking more at his passing success rate, which is important for the position he plays

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:27 am**

We should not be letting any Premier League club buy any first team players for as little as £10m ( unless in last year if contract etc.as with Pope ) McNeil has been poor for a while now, but seemingly not poor enough to put off Premier League clubs.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:27 am**

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:03 am
All I'm saying is if he goes I think it will be for £10m - £15m Figure of £25m feels like pie in the sky to me.

Cantwell is still a Norwich player and Buendia very different circumstances.

It's time we got a grip regarding player's valuations in terms of simply being a soft touch, it was criminal to accept 10m for Pope and the same would apply with McNeil, yes in parts he had a poor season last season, imo that was down to the manager's tactics, but we know how good he is and so does he's prospective buyer, we should be holding out for a realistic figure, which in my opinion would start at 20m. However, my opinion is that we should do everything possible to keep him, he will be instrumental in getting us back up, as would cornet, keep these 2 with our recent signings and ongoing transfer business and we go back up, sell them and it's a different story.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:30 am**

If we were to bounce straight back up we would need to bring in proven premier League players to strengthen. With the inflated prices that happen over night as soon so you gain premier League status we would end up paying over the odds for players. We need to keep McNeil and Collins as we won't be able to afford to replace that calibre .

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:31 am**

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:27 am
It's time we got a grip regarding player's valuations in terms of simply being a soft touch, it was criminal to accept 10m for Pope and the same would apply with McNeil, yes in parts he had a poor season last season, imo that was down to the manager's tactics, but we know how good he is and so does he's prospective buyer, we should be holding out for a realistic figure, which in my opinion would start at 20m. However, my opinion is that we should do everything possible to keep him, he will be instrumental in getting us back up, as would cornet, keep these 2 with our recent signings and ongoing transfer business and we go back up, sell them and it's a different story.

Yes I agree. And I want him to stay. I'm not sure the club will though if they get offered say £15m.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:46 am**

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:31 am
Yes I agree. And I want him to stay. I'm not sure the club will though if they get offered say £15m.

Neither am I, but as I say we should be starting at 20m. McNeil, cornet, twine, Muleka, brownhill, plus a right winger we'll tear it up imo, vydra at Xmas if he signs would link up excellent with twine. O'hare looks like he could link up with the one's I've mentioned there, all forward thinking players, let the defence do the defending, something that in the last season or two didn't happen under dyche, which is why we should be keeping McNeil, he wasn't allowed to play he's game under the previous manager, and it showed when he left.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:51 am**

How to ruin a Sunday morning.

Log on here and see how little some of our fans rate the only youth prospect we have produced in 10 years.

Just shut the club down.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:54 am**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:51 am
How to ruin a Sunday morning.

Log on here and see how little some of our fans rate the only youth prospect we have produced in 10 years.

Just shut the club down.

Aye, heaven forbid someone disagrees with you.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:56 am**

Murger wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:54 am
Aye, heaven forbid someone disagrees with you.

You can disagree but there is no need to call him rubbish.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:01 am**

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:56 am
You can disagree but there is no need to call him rubbish.

He mentioned how little some fans rate him. Should everyone rate McNeil because he's come through the ranks? Personally I'd keep him (even though he's been pap for 2 years). It doesn't mean nobody can think differently.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:08 am**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:51 am
How to ruin a Sunday morning.

Log on here and see how little some of our fans rate the only youth prospect we have produced in 10 years.

Just shut the club down.

For goodness sake…

People are allowed to have different opinions, the messageboard would be far worse off if everyone just agreed with each other. Yes, there are a handful of posters who get their kicks from trying to provoke a response. You only have to spend a bit of time on here to know who they are.

Shutting down any kind of debate because people don’t agree with you is just ridiculous and juvenile.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:12 am**

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:10 am
I fully agree with your sentiment about keeping McNeil and I so hope he stays. The point I make is I believe the club would sell for up to £15m, not £25m. I believe Gibbs-White is also different circumstances but in any case he hasn't been sold for £20m. The only thing we have to go off right now in our new circumstances is the £10m the owner accepted for Pope - different I know but the only current baseline we have about appetite for holding out for big fees.

I see what you are saying about the owner and Pope but wouldn't it be a different scenario with McNeil and his position/age maybe

. I'd be hoping on at least £20m should McNeil be sold.

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