Cucurrella - £62m

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by gtclaret » Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:08 pm

matttheclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:53 pm
Linked with us last summer wasn't he? That would have been a handy profit for us!
What would we have sold him for??

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:03 pm

Of the Brighton system is about getting stupid money for average players then there is a hell of a lot we could learn.
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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by Father Jack » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:38 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:22 am
We would have sold him for about 15 million.
From the Athletic

Marc Cucurella’s move to Chelsea has made him the most expensive left-back in history, Brighton’s biggest ever sale and the third-most expensive Spanish player of all time.

It is a remarkable transfer considering he had a Burnley shirt in his hands a year ago.

Last summer, Cucurella and his agents visited Burnley’s training ground as they were, along with Brighton, one of the most proactive clubs in trying to sign him from La Liga side Getafe.

Cucurella was pretty satisfied with his tour. He believed a Premier League move was the step his career needed. Burnley’s offer was slightly higher financially, but Brighton won the race.

A positive playing style, led by Graham Potter, played a key role in Cucurella heading to the south coast. Another of the main reasons was a promise the player’s camp felt was made in Brighton.

In the following two years, he would have the potential to play for any big side in Europe, the club told him. And then, he would be allowed to leave. But only if the price was right.

It was an accurate prediction. The 24-year-old completed an impressive debut season in the Premier League and scooped both the player and players’ player of the season last campaign.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:49 pm

The fascinating thing was that we offered higher wages by the sounds of it, and without doubt if he signs we stay up. Taylor had a fairly limp season in that position. Dyche did fantastic but the owners probably looked at him and thought his style is affecting the attraction of the club. Look at Kompany and how even a division below players want to come.

Of those regrets Pace hinted at in his recent interview, where he said he would so some things different if he could have the chance again, I suspect that sacking Dyche earlier would be one of them. No side has had a long ball defensive manager and survived long term - Stoke, Bolton, WBA etc, they all drop in the end. That style just gave them temporary survival, not long term foundations.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:53 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:49 pm
The fascinating thing was that we offered higher wages by the sounds of it, and without doubt if he signs we stay up. Taylor had a fairly limp season in that position. Dyche did fantastic but the owners probably looked at him and thought his style is affecting the attraction of the club. Look at Kompany and how even a division below players want to come.

Of those regrets Pace hinted at in his recent interview, where he said he would so some things different if he could have the chance again, I suspect that sacking Dyche earlier would be one of them. No side has had a long ball defensive manager and survived long term - Stoke, Bolton, WBA etc, they all drop in the end. That style just gave them temporary survival, not long term foundations.
Interesting viewpoints.
But I'd have to say that the players we are signing may not have been PL ready had we survived. The Championship is giving them an opportunity to develop which I doubt they would be afforded in the PL

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by Duffer_ » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:57 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:49 pm
No side has had a long ball defensive manager and survived long term - Stoke, Bolton, WBA etc, they all drop in the end. That style just gave them temporary survival, not long term foundations.
Which (small) town team has survived long term?

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:13 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:49 pm
The fascinating thing was that we offered higher wages by the sounds of it, and without doubt if he signs we stay up. Taylor had a fairly limp season in that position. Dyche did fantastic but the owners probably looked at him and thought his style is affecting the attraction of the club. Look at Kompany and how even a division below players want to come.

Of those regrets Pace hinted at in his recent interview, where he said he would so some things different if he could have the chance again, I suspect that sacking Dyche earlier would be one of them. No side has had a long ball defensive manager and survived long term - Stoke, Bolton, WBA etc, they all drop in the end. That style just gave them temporary survival, not long term foundations.
That’s nonsense had he sacked dyche earlier nobody else would have come in to do a better job the finances weren’t there that’s why it was left to pretty much the last minute (late on) & handed over to MJ who in fairness surprisingly did well. Dyche should have stayed on until the end he’s a better manager than MJ so why replace him with somebody inferior doesn’t make sense. If MJ was deemed better than SD as a manager why hasn’t he been entrusted full time, a blazing row happened between SD & AP post Norwich.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:37 pm

Found it interesting at the time. We’d been tracking Cucarella and Cornet for a while apparently and Cornet seemed to be a second choice.
Similar players before last summer. Makes me wonder what Cucarella would have done here… would he have also been played up front? Would he have even done well here? Would we have got £62m?

Cucarella got 1 goal last season in 36 games, MC got 9 in 25. On the face of it we should have got a lot more money, but realistically we wouldn’t have played Cucarella at Lwb in a back 5 and given him the chance to shine like he did at Brighton.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:11 am

Father Jack wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:38 pm

A positive playing style, led by Graham Potter, played a key role in Cucurella heading to the south coast.
One for forzagranata to digest.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by forzagranata » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:31 am

Swizzlestick wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:11 am
One for forzagranata to digest.
Why? I'm not following your point there.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by aggi » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:43 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:49 pm
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No side has had a long ball defensive manager and survived long term - Stoke, Bolton, WBA etc, they all drop in the end. That style just gave them temporary survival, not long term foundations.
It's generally been the case that the long ball manager (Pulis, Allardyce) has been sacked and then they've gone down though.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by tiger76 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:49 am

Brighton didn't appear to miss this lad at OT yesterday, he had a good season last year, but £62m for a left back is crazy, to put it into context, City bought Haaland for less.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by ashtonlongsider » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:54 am

Completely over inflated fee for this lad imo. However that's the price top PL sides are prepared to pay to beat off competition and get a quick solution. I'm just glad, in hindsight, that we're doing our major rebuild in the Championship where fees are in the main more realistic.

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Re: Cucurrella - £62m

Post by Big Vinny K » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:56 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:49 pm
The fascinating thing was that we offered higher wages by the sounds of it, and without doubt if he signs we stay up. Taylor had a fairly limp season in that position. Dyche did fantastic but the owners probably looked at him and thought his style is affecting the attraction of the club. Look at Kompany and how even a division below players want to come.

Of those regrets Pace hinted at in his recent interview, where he said he would so some things different if he could have the chance again, I suspect that sacking Dyche earlier would be one of them. No side has had a long ball defensive manager and survived long term - Stoke, Bolton, WBA etc, they all drop in the end. That style just gave them temporary survival, not long term foundations.
That last bit is just factually incorrect.
West Brom have been the definition of a yo yo team - and part of that is because they have changed styles and managers frequently.
Stoke, Bolton under Allardyce and ourselves under Dyche all had longer stints in the Premier League than the vast majority of small and medium size clubs. Just look at the clubs who have been relegated from Premier League in the last 20 years and how many of them spent more consecutive years in the league than ourselves, Bolton and Stoke and you’ll not only find there are very few (if any) smaller teams but lots of bigger clubs than these 3 teams have also not achieved what we did.

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