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Re: McNeil

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:10 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:37 pm
I've always rated him but now I know Twitter user Eno Futboh wasn't impressed by his Everton debut, all bets are off
(I know this post is tongue in cheek).

I dont post on Twitter but I do read itsometimes, generally when someone posts a link on here (especially the "Russia Invades" thread which actually has some decent info/insights).
There aint half a lot of over-opinionated people posting rhubarb on there. It amazes me that some folk treat it as a source akin to The Holy Bible.

I daresay McNeil didnt have the greatest of debuts but, from the BBC player rater, there were 4 players who did worse and 3 more who were only marginal higher rated (Mina, Gray and the mighty Pickford). Tarks was 6th from top in the list with a score of 5.07/10 cf McNeil's 4.71.

Highest 2 ratings were Patterson with 5.61 and Gordon 5.27.

Basically, it appears that the whole team didnt do very well and it's far too early for any sensible person to be already writing off McNeil as a duff signing.
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Re: McNeil

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:53 pm

Shame we can’t wish him well after how much he did for Burnley.
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Re: McNeil

Post by Big Vinny K » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:02 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:10 pm

Basically, it appears that the whole team didnt do very well and it's far too early for any sensible person to be already writing off McNeil as a duff signing.
He didn’t sign him but I think he did manage him in the under 23s !!
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Re: McNeil

Post by Stayingup » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:11 pm

Simps wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:42 pm
Best one….

“Dwight McNeil looks and plays like a 40 year old alcoholic”

They really don’t like him :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well whichever idiot wrote that must have had a lobotomy.
What a stupid brainless comment. He will need time to settle and lets face it hes not playing for the worlds best manager. But Everton fans have a huge chip on their shoulders. They have been in the shadow of Liverpool for a very long time now and it doesn't look like changing. From what I.understand they were damned lucky not to have action taken against them for breaking FFP rules. But that's English football. You could say corrupt.
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Re: McNeil

Post by Stayingup » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:16 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:14 pm
As I said numerous times last season. When did Dwight last actually hurt a team?
Well he hurt Everton when we beat them at Goodison not too long ago and he scored a cracker.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:24 pm

Don’t forget this was the team that didn’t want Dyche the year we made Europe. Like Arsenal the fans have created their own mess.

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Re: McNeil

Post by beddie » Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:18 am

He’ll be fine once he meets up with Sean again later this year. ;)

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Re: McNeil

Post by Hipper » Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:19 am

I watched this game to check on our old boys.

Tarkowski was very good, solid, steady, organised, read the game well, easily the best of their defenders, a real asset for them.

McNeil was steady. It looked like he had instructions to stay around the left area and he did that. He passed the ball neatly and put in a decent cross or two but there was no target man. He seemed to fade in the second half and was rightly hooked.

The weakness in their side was a lack of a main forward, and Pickford. He made some good saves but he is just so unpredictable in his thinking leading to chaos. They should have got Pope. You know what you get with him.

Remember they were playing Chelsea and overall did well although rightly beaten. I was not impressed with Koulibaly and Sterling was as obnoxious as ever.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:31 pm

I wouldn’t be paying much heed to Everton fans, who are legitimately one of the worst fan bases in the country.

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Re: McNeil

Post by IanMcL » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:44 pm

The lad will settle in, however, unless he is trailing down the left wing and putting in pin point crosses, he will suffer.

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Re: McNeil

Post by joey13 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:49 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:31 pm
I wouldn’t be paying much heed to Everton fans, who are legitimately one of the worst fan bases in the country.
Yes shocking at Goodison last season :roll:

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Re: McNeil

Post by Belgianclaret » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:56 pm

Don’t know why Burnley fans don’t wish the lad nothing but the best
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Re: McNeil

Post by NRC » Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:01 pm

I have to disagree with the convention that putting balls in from the left is his best position. He doesn’t generally have the pace to beat PL right backs on the outside, cannot cut inside them because he immediately opens the ball to the defender due to his left-footed dependency, and it really means he has to slow the play down slightly to cross it or play it inside by doing so in front of the defender.

I personally found him far more effective in mike Jackson’s “revolution” playing on the right and running into an inside forward position. It allowed him to either shoot a pick a short through ball for a runner…..
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Re: McNeil

Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:02 pm

NRC wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:01 pm
I have to disagree with the convention that putting balls in from the left is his best position. He doesn’t generally have the pace to beat PL right backs on the outside, cannot cut inside them because he immediately opens the ball to the defender due to his left-footed dependency, and it really means he has to slow the play down slightly to cross it or play it inside by doing so in front of the defender.

I personally found him far more effective in mike Jackson’s “revolution” playing on the right and running into an inside forward position. It allowed him to either shoot a pick a short through ball for a runner…..
Agree with this completely!

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Re: McNeil

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:09 pm

joey13 wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:49 pm
Yes shocking at Goodison last season :roll:
You’re absolutely right, they were. Boooooooo - until they realised they might be going down and started throwing flares about.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:19 pm

We had their pants down like wolves had ours down with Collins so we’re even for the season.

I think his best season for us was the lockdown season maybe he thrives without a crowd pressuring him.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:59 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:16 pm
Well he hurt Everton when we beat them at Goodison not too long ago and he scored a cracker.
He did and I fully accept that, but it was a while ago now, during the original lock down and there wasn't much to write home about for some time before or indeed after I feel. I could be wrong and I'm not deliberately "Dwight bashing" as i feel there's a good player in there tbf. I just don't necessarily feel he's as good as his hype or the higher echelons of the PL. But I'm happy to be proved wrong.

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Re: McNeil

Post by DycheAlmighty » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:58 am

Everton really do have the most fickle fans, 60 mins into the 1st game of the season :roll: . Overtime I think McNeil will realise staying here would have been the right move career wise but I hope I'm very wrong. And let's be honest here, the sole reason Everton are in this mess is due to blowing money (Gomes, Mina, Godfrey), £20M for McNeil is a coup by comparison.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:15 am

Some of our stupid fans trying to make a war with Everton fans on twitter.
The toxic vibes towards McNeil from our own fan base was bad enough, nevermind trying to start trouble on social media.

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Re: McNeil

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:20 am

After the season both McNeil and Everton had last season, Everton was the last place he should have gone to
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Re: McNeil

Post by davideyresleftear » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:39 am

The people on here getting giddy over McNeil playing averagely (he wasn't poor) are pathetic. He was a good player for us. He has weaknesses like any young player, and at times he was held back by the system, but he was never terrible and his tracking back stats show that he mostly worked hard. When it came to his time to depart the Turf, he did it without whining or kicking up a fuss. He's just a young lad who's left to improve his prospects. Don't see why we can't wish the lad good luck and a happy career
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Re: McNeil

Post by bobinho » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:50 am

Belgianclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:56 pm
Don’t know why Burnley fans don’t wish the lad nothing but the best
Could be something to do with where he now plies his trade.

Just a guess…

Personally, I wish him well. Remember all too well the excitement I felt when he got the ball in the opposition half. That’s when he was allowed in there…🤔😳😉🤣

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Re: McNeil

Post by bobinho » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:51 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:20 am
After the season both McNeil and Everton had last season, Everton was the last place he should have gone to
This. Absolutely this. The Goodson faithful, the peoples club as they like to be known can’t half destroy a player.

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Re: McNeil

Post by clarethomer » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:12 am

What is it they say about throwing stones in glass houses?

We have a small minority of fans who’s opinions are amplified because of message boards like this and social media sites like Twitter.

Put in the context that we see that toxicity when we lost (or even have a poor first half in someone’s opinion) then we really can’t be expecting different from other teams fans. Every team has fans who have such a high expectation and opinion of what they see as acceptable- it’s not a Burnley or Everton phenomenon.

Dogs abuse players have had on here - often unwarranted too. Brownhill, Lennon, McNeil, Hendrix, Barnes, Wood to name a few of recent times.

McNeil is young, he relies on confidence and is learning how to perform with a new team, system and style. He is still developing even though he has many games under his belt.

He’s moved on and is playing again in the PL. His move has allowed us to bring new players for a new era.

I wish him well and hope he goes on to have a successful career. He helped us in our successful period of PL life.

I wouldn’t pay much attention to the muppets who let their emotions control them.

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Re: McNeil

Post by CaptJohn » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:26 am

I know a lot of "Blue noses" and they were all excited by the arrival of McNeil. His goal at Goodison the other year had whet their appetites somewhat. Most of them will give the lad time to settle in but to judge him against Chelsea, who dominated possession, is both short sighted and foolish IMHO.

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Re: McNeil

Post by joey13 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:37 am

clarethomer wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:12 am
What is it they say about throwing stones in glass houses?

We have a small minority of fans who’s opinions are amplified because of message boards like this and social media sites like Twitter.

Put in the context that we see that toxicity when we lost (or even have a poor first half in someone’s opinion) then we really can’t be expecting different from other teams fans. Every team has fans who have such a high expectation and opinion of what they see as acceptable- it’s not a Burnley or Everton phenomenon.

Dogs abuse players have had on here - often unwarranted too. Brownhill, Lennon, McNeil, Hendrix, Barnes, Wood to name a few of recent times.

McNeil is young, he relies on confidence and is learning how to perform with a new team, system and style. He is still developing even though he has many games under his belt.

He’s moved on and is playing again in the PL. His move has allowed us to bring new players for a new era.

I wish him well and hope he goes on to have a successful career. He helped us in our successful period of PL life.

I wouldn’t pay much attention to the muppets who let their emotions control them.
In fairness Jimmy was **** hot on the guitar

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Re: McNeil

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:47 am

True enough - but with a lot more Experience than Dwight...

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Re: McNeil

Post by joey13 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:51 am

Hendrix was also ambidextrous pity Dwight wasn’t.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Greenmile » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:51 am

joey13 wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:37 am
In fairness Jimmy was **** hot on the guitar
*Jimi

(if you’re going to pick someone else up on their spelling, you want to be extra careful you don’t end up hoist by your own petard, to borrow a phrase from my favourite poster)

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Re: McNeil

Post by joey13 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:52 am

Greenmile wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:51 am
*Jimi

(if you’re going to pick someone else up on their spelling, you want to be extra careful you don’t end up hoist by your own petard, to borrow a phrase from my favourite poster)
Fair point
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Re: McNeil

Post by clive40golf » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:08 am

beddie wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:18 am
He’ll be fine once he meets up with Sean again later this year. ;)
[/quote

I’ve had the same feeling, only seems a matter of time before Dyche is a manager there.

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Re: McNeil

Post by SouthLondonexile » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:29 am

I am really troubled when I see a player vilified, particularly a young player like Dwight McNeil.
Where’s the goodwill gone for this ex- claret.
Yes when he broke into the first team he was magical.
I am sorry to see his form drop so badly.
As I’ve said before I have seen little evidence that Everton nurture and develop players. The move was financially good for us but it will end in tears for McNeil and JT.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Bosscat » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:35 am

joey13 wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:51 am
Hendrix was also ambidextrous pity Dwight wasn’t.
He also played a right handed guitar upside down 😉 jimi hendrix that is not Dwight McNeil 🤣
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Re: McNeil

Post by Top Claret » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:35 am

Can assure you it won't end in tiers for neither of them.
JT is a big lad and can handle himself and the financial gains will far outweigh the abuse McNeil may encounter from the Everton fans

Another thing is you never hear ex or present Evertonians calling the club and that says a lot

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Re: McNeil

Post by davideyresleftear » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:50 am

Top Claret wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:35 am
Can assure you it won't end in tiers for neither of them.
and the financial gains will far outweigh the abuse McNeil may encounter from the Everton fans
I think people overestimate the powers of money. It can solve lots of problems but it's not a magical elixir. Dwight is still a young lad and it's a little naïve to think getting regular abuse from thousands of people about your job performance won't carry over into all aspects of your life and psyche. I remember when I was younger, having a bad 1-2-1 meeting with my manager could sour my mood for an evening, and it wasn't like my manager was going to twitter and calling me s**t and comparing my performance to an old alcoholic. Regular abuse from the stands and online would definitely effect any twenty-something year old, no matter how healthy their bank balance is.

Not having ago at you btw Top Claret, your post just happened to relate to something I've always thought about when it comes to modern footballers and money.
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Re: McNeil

Post by Jel » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:01 pm

Image
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:40 pm
One of our best players of the last 50 years and still people go after him.

Unless we are promoted it’s unlikely we will see a player of his quality again any time soon

Posts like this make me think we should have a PMSL button!

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Re: McNeil

Post by warksclaret » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:12 pm

The one thing BFC gave Dwight was time, and forgiveness, even when he played badly. It was the ideal club, with Dyche protecting him and fostering him. He knew he would always start, which took the pressure off him. In the first season he became the media's darling.Opposing clubs would pay him a huge confident by often sticking two on him. Everton is totally different. The fans were on his back the first game. I fear for Dwight. He identified the Goodison crowd and atmosphere as a reason for joining, but without confidence got so regularly from the previous regime, this could be his downfall.Gayle is a far more explosive attacker and when Townsend gets fit I fear Dwight's opportunities will be numbered

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Re: McNeil

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:25 pm

I don’t quite understand people saying he shouldn’t have gone to Everton as if he had a list of other clubs he could have gone to, the club accepted the bid from Everton so apart from stopping here I don’t see what else he could have done.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Indecisive » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:40 pm

What Everton’s fan base, and I suppose pretty much all to some extent, fail to realise is quite how much the toxic atmosphere in the stand and online can affect the players.

It’s often a self fulfilling prophecy. Fans write off a player or decide he’s useless and start barracking him, the chances of said player turning it round increasingly diminish.

McNeill is a bit unfortunate in that he has that body language that doesn’t reflect the effort he’s putting in. He can look exhausted quite quickly, but he really isn’t. He can look like he isn’t trying at times, or isn’t bothered, but he really is.

He is quality and I hope he’s given time to let that shine. Wish him nothing but the best.
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Re: McNeil

Post by bfcjg » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:46 pm

Big wages,big fee equates to instant success, players cannot have it both ways. If you are in hospital having an operation and the surgeon has joined the hospital and your operation is a balls up would you accept the excuse give him/her time they are new here.
Dwight is a good player but alas he is so predictable.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Gp8419 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:27 pm

I was puzzled by the fee after just one assist all season,I felt we was sure to keep him.You would hardly be buzzing being a Everton fan and seeing your club pay X amount for someone with stats like that.But on the flip side the guy as unquestionable ability,I thought he would of been great with our system and got his confidence back up with a good season in the championship.Here is to a cheeky loan bid at Xmas.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Dougall » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:29 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:51 am
*Jimi

(if you’re going to pick someone else up on their spelling, you want to be extra careful you don’t end up hoist by your own petard, to borrow a phrase from my favourite poster)
Hoist WITH your own petard :D
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Re: McNeil

Post by Top Claret » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:33 pm

Gp8419 wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:27 pm
I was puzzled by the fee after just one assist all season,I felt we was sure to keep him.You would hardly be buzzing being a Everton fan and seeing your club pay X amount for someone with stats like that.But on the flip side the guy as unquestionable ability,I thought he would of been great with our system and got his confidence back up with a good season in the championship.Here is to a cheeky loan bid at Xmas.

No chance Burnley paying his 60 grand a week salary

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Re: McNeil

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:41 pm

Gp8419 wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:27 pm
I was puzzled by the fee after just one assist all season,I felt we was sure to keep him.You would hardly be buzzing being a Everton fan and seeing your club pay X amount for someone with stats like that.But on the flip side the guy as unquestionable ability,I thought he would of been great with our system and got his confidence back up with a good season in the championship.Here is to a cheeky loan bid at Xmas.
I think plenty will realise the stats are likely to improve once he’s integrated into a different setup playing alongside dare I say better calibre even though the results haven’t often demonstrated especially last season, Everton shouldn’t be on the back foot as much & he’ll get more support.

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Re: McNeil

Post by NRC » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:00 pm

Dougall wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:29 pm
Hoist WITH your own petard :D
HoistED with your own petard

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Re: McNeil

Post by dandeclaret » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:22 pm

The assist stat lads must be buzzing with Ashley Barnes on for a projected 46 assist season....

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Re: McNeil

Post by duncandisorderly » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:31 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:22 pm
The assist stat lads must be buzzing with Ashley Barnes on for a projected 46 assist season....
That'd be great. Ashley Barnes doesn't score all season but assists one goal a game. Would that mean he'd had a great season, or a bad one?

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Re: McNeil

Post by Stproc » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:35 pm

There are some utterly moronic comments on here. Both from Everton and Burnley fans.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Greenmile » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:58 pm

Dougall wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:29 pm
Hoist WITH your own petard :D
This is very fair.

However, in my defence, I was quoting Ringo, and not Shakespeare.

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Re: McNeil

Post by Greenmile » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:59 pm

NRC wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:00 pm
HoistED with your own petard

:roll:
This one’s less fair. Both Ringo and Will S said “hoist”, not “hoisted”
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