9 men

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Post Reply
bumba
Posts: 3029
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:21 pm
Been Liked: 663 times
Has Liked: 192 times

9 men

Post by bumba » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:25 pm

Can't keep starting games with 9 men, that's how it feels we Barnes and Costelloe.
Costelloe will improve and be a very very big player for us but he needs to start on the bench for a while
These 6 users liked this post: MeeActon1 NewClaret IWOODLOVETT MT03ALG Silkyskills1 BOYSIE31

MACCA
Posts: 15591
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:10 am
Been Liked: 4360 times

Re: 9 men

Post by MACCA » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:29 pm

Vincent knows this, he surely can see what the vast majority of football people can.

I'd hazard a guess neither will start a ( very few ) league games again unless an absolute necessity

clansman
Posts: 918
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 322 times
Has Liked: 89 times

Re: 9 men

Post by clansman » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:36 pm

I’m a big fan of Ashley but he was terrible tonight And that could well be his last game as a starter. But the question remains for all our possession where are the goals coming from??

buzzclarets79
Posts: 666
Joined: Tue May 16, 2017 2:05 am
Been Liked: 227 times
Has Liked: 208 times

Re: 9 men

Post by buzzclarets79 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:37 pm

I just don’t get it with Costello, someone else mentioned it on another thread we just don’t want to seem to pass to him.
Watched him closely vs Luton and made some good runs, found space but just didn’t receive the ball. Was no surprise to see him subbed at HT tonight based off watching on TV.

Hibsclaret
Posts: 3940
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:00 pm
Been Liked: 1233 times
Has Liked: 490 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Hibsclaret » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:38 pm

Benson was awful. 2 fouls early on and he couldn’t hack it the rest of the game pretty much.

123EasyasBFC
Posts: 2824
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 561 times
Has Liked: 160 times

Re: 9 men

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:38 pm

Game to far for Costelloe imo, he’s done well I feel tonight was the night to take him out

gandhisflipflop
Posts: 5500
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:05 pm
Been Liked: 2317 times
Has Liked: 1399 times
Location: Costa del Padihamos beach.

Re: 9 men

Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:39 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:38 pm
Benson was awful. 2 fouls early on and he couldn’t hack it the rest of the game pretty much.
Makes me think how cornet would have handled them challenges. Good deal that.

JohnDearyMe
Posts: 2723
Joined: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:31 pm
Been Liked: 666 times
Has Liked: 2041 times

Re: 9 men

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:40 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:38 pm
Benson was awful. 2 fouls early on and he couldn’t hack it the rest of the game pretty much.
They clearly did a job on him. He looked scared to run at anyone after that

IWOODLOVETT
Posts: 1255
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:23 am
Been Liked: 495 times
Has Liked: 219 times

Re: 9 men

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:39 pm

Watford clearly studied the last game and identified that we would use Benson as our main source of creativity. They double-marked him from the word go and put in some gritty challenges when he had the ball. Robert’s failed to help him out and as a consequence the right side of our attack was static until Vitinho and Tella came on.

Stevie Morgan
Posts: 327
Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:54 am
Been Liked: 83 times
Has Liked: 205 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Stevie Morgan » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:42 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:39 pm
Watford clearly studied the last game and identified that we would use Benson as our main source of creativity. They double-marked him from the word go and put in some gritty challenges when he had the ball. Robert’s failed to help him out and as a consequence the right side of our attack was static until Vitinho and Tella came on.
Roberts use of the ball is frequently abysmal. Very frustrating.

Goobs
Posts: 4386
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:43 am
Been Liked: 1459 times
Has Liked: 992 times
Location: Burnley

Re: 9 men

Post by Goobs » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:49 pm

I love seeing youngsters come through but it is time to pull Costelloe before it causes him more harm than good being there. He looks scared and whilst there may be a good player there I don't think we will see it unless he gets some luck ASAP. Had that chance gone in V udders then maybe this conversation may be different but then I recall saying the same about Juke v Swansea for months afterwards.

IanMcL
Posts: 30123
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:27 pm
Been Liked: 6340 times
Has Liked: 8651 times

Re: 9 men

Post by IanMcL » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:50 pm

Miserable thread this!
These 2 users liked this post: Damo Colburn_Claret

Sheedyclaret
Posts: 972
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:44 am
Been Liked: 169 times
Has Liked: 45 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Sheedyclaret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:06 am

Benson played far to safe tonight reminded me of dwight McNeil everything was backwards

Milltown1882
Posts: 3063
Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:47 pm
Been Liked: 1102 times
Has Liked: 854 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:23 am

Sheedyclaret wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:06 am
Benson played far to safe tonight reminded me of dwight McNeil everything was backwards
He s**t himself after those first two challenges is the long and short of it.

mybloodisclaret
Posts: 2202
Joined: Tue May 03, 2016 8:04 pm
Been Liked: 686 times
Has Liked: 3950 times

Re: 9 men

Post by mybloodisclaret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:47 am

Watford did a job on Benson and the ref did nowt about it. The ref was appalling by the way. They targeted him and filled him in. Smashed his confidence. He will be a top player.

Barnes and Costelloe both need a break. Great to see Dara getting a chance and whilst he has impressed, seems too much too soon. He will be a top player.

Barnes.... I love him to bits, but he offers very little now. I would bring him on in the last 15-20 to do what Ash Barnes does.
This user liked this post: Silkyskills1

California Colner
Posts: 1395
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:31 pm
Been Liked: 171 times
Has Liked: 112 times
Location: Santa Clarita, LA

Re: 9 men

Post by California Colner » Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:03 am

Barnes was up against a player that could handle him, he met his match today. I dont think Barnes played bad at all!!
He just got shackled.

Silkyskills1
Posts: 5841
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:39 pm
Been Liked: 1678 times
Has Liked: 2513 times
Location: Rawtenstall

Re: 9 men

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:13 am

Yep, Benson targeted by a fourth division manager and kicked out of the game. Very poor refereeing who seemed.pleased that he was on telly. Reminded me.of Gudmunsson being targeted by Lincoln City. It's a tough gig being a referee but it's more than concerning to see the lack of quality and general common sense that there is in this league. After he let their full back off with two assaults he daren't show any cards until the blatant red card gave him license to start dishing them out. But we all know why there is such a shortage of quality with the whistle so we shouldn't really be surprised.
This user liked this post: mybloodisclaret

FCBurnley
Posts: 9695
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:56 pm
Been Liked: 1967 times
Has Liked: 1132 times

Re: 9 men

Post by FCBurnley » Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:41 am

I still think Lowton is better than Roberts

RammyClaret61
Posts: 3070
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:46 pm
Been Liked: 1090 times
Has Liked: 300 times
Location: Melbourne, Australia.

Re: 9 men

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:43 am

Breaking: Burnley FC appoint Bumba director of football, along with several of his “friends” to oversea decisions made by VK for the rest of the season. Alan Pace says “the vast footballing knowledge of several members of Up The Clarets is just what we need to be successful. Why would we waste that opportunity”? KRBFC will be their assistant, along with Newcastle Claret.

Woodleyclaret
Posts: 6888
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:25 pm
Been Liked: 1468 times
Has Liked: 1839 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:13 am

The ref was dire both challenges on Benny were bookings and yes he did have a poor game after that .However our ponderous play out from the back nonsense with back passes and sideways passing didn't help develop momentum
Watford are a poor side who offered very little but managed to nick a win.Two points lost but we have class players who will gell

Vegas Claret
Posts: 30275
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
Been Liked: 10917 times
Has Liked: 5594 times
Location: clue is in the title

Re: 9 men

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:25 am

Listen to what Kompany said about Benson's treatment - he was spot on

bumba
Posts: 3029
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:21 pm
Been Liked: 663 times
Has Liked: 192 times

Re: 9 men

Post by bumba » Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:32 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:43 am
Breaking: Burnley FC appoint Bumba director of football, along with several of his “friends” to oversea decisions made by VK for the rest of the season. Alan Pace says “the vast footballing knowledge of several members of Up The Clarets is just what we need to be successful. Why would we waste that opportunity”? KRBFC will be their assistant, along with Newcastle Claret.
BREAKING: BFC manager Rammyclaret61 is set to keep Burnley in the championship after over seeing relegation due to sticking by players not up to it, he is persistent in sticking by this ethos as it served him so well during his relegation season and sees not going up as a priority.

RammyClaret61
Posts: 3070
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:46 pm
Been Liked: 1090 times
Has Liked: 300 times
Location: Melbourne, Australia.

Re: 9 men

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:20 am

bumba wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:32 am
BREAKING: BFC manager Rammyclaret61 is set to keep Burnley in the championship after over seeing relegation due to sticking by players not up to it, he is persistent in sticking by this ethos as it served him so well during his relegation season and sees not going up as a priority.
:lol: :lol:

Top Claret
Posts: 5125
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:50 am
Been Liked: 1127 times
Has Liked: 1238 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Top Claret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:36 am

I thought Barnes made more contribution to the game than Costello, Benson and Bastion who were anonymous.

Barnes was isolated as he was starved of any quality service. Benson was dreadful and needs to toughen up, he **** out after an early tackle

Tricky Trevor
Posts: 8322
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:06 pm
Been Liked: 2439 times
Has Liked: 1978 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:44 am

The first half felt to me like when you played and you know the opponent is better than you. Anybody on the ball just turned and knocked it back like it was a hot potato.
Second half Jack Cork brought far more control to proceedings and we were much better.
Good to see Josh Brownhill show he can play the 10 role.

NewClaret
Posts: 13223
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:51 am
Been Liked: 3037 times
Has Liked: 3759 times

Re: 9 men

Post by NewClaret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:50 am

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:36 am
I thought Barnes made more contribution to the game than Costello, Benson and Bastion who were anonymous.

Barnes was isolated as he was starved of any quality service. Benson was dreadful and needs to toughen up, he **** out after an early tackle
Costello - agree with others it’s a game too far. Imo we’ve looked more threatening in both our last two games when he’s come off. He’ll be a good player for us but he’s too safe and doesn’t create. One to bring on when we’re in winning positions

Barnes - has worked really hard in all three games I thought. Gives everything for the cause. He’s not had any service, but that’s exactly the problem: we need a striker who will fashion chances himself and that’s not gonna happen. Again, one to be bringing on.

agreenwood
Posts: 3095
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:22 pm
Been Liked: 1712 times
Has Liked: 269 times

Re: 9 men

Post by agreenwood » Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:00 am

In many ways it’s probably for the best that we no longer have a Cat 1 Academy.

There is zero patience for young players amongst some of our fanbase.
These 3 users liked this post: boatshed bill tiger76 Juan Tanamera

Hipper
Posts: 5682
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:33 pm
Been Liked: 1175 times
Has Liked: 918 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Hipper » Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:00 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:25 am
Listen to what Kompany said about Benson's treatment - he was spot on
I don't know what he said but if he understood what was going on he should have swapped Benson and Costelloe who seems a bit tougher.

warksclaret
Posts: 6594
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
Been Liked: 1676 times
Has Liked: 754 times

Re: 9 men

Post by warksclaret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:11 am

V.K said two weeks ago, that the games played before window shutdown would highlight where we needed to recruit. He learned a lot last night from certain players. The need for two strikers last night could not have been clearer.Also the need to play with two orthodox centre halvesi

warksclaret
Posts: 6594
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
Been Liked: 1676 times
Has Liked: 754 times

Re: 9 men

Post by warksclaret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:11 am

V.K said two weeks ago, that the games played before window shutdown would highlight where we needed to recruit. He learned a lot last night from certain players. The need for two strikers last night could not have been clearer.Also the need to play with two orthodox centre halvesi
This user liked this post: jen1066

Tricky Trevor
Posts: 8322
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:06 pm
Been Liked: 2439 times
Has Liked: 1978 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:24 am

Barnes never got a decision all night from that awful referee. There were fouls every time they came together but he clearly didn't like Ashs’ style and gave against him consistently.

Steve1956
Posts: 17178
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:57 pm
Been Liked: 6463 times
Has Liked: 2896 times
Location: Fife

Re: 9 men

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:53 am

bumba wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:25 pm
Can't keep starting games with 9 men, that's how it feels we Barnes and Costelloe.
Costelloe will improve and be a very very big player for us but he needs to start on the bench for a while
Harsh on Costelloe
Barnes has gone though
Think we have missed a trick not giving Vydra a contract though a proven goalscorer in the Championship...and there isn't many more options for that position available,time will tell I suppose.
This user liked this post: Hipper

Colburn_Claret
Posts: 8069
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:30 pm
Been Liked: 3060 times
Has Liked: 5023 times
Location: Catterick N.Yorks

Re: 9 men

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:20 am

Costello might not have had a great game, but who did first half. It should be the senior pros lifting those around them, not a 19yr old lifting them.

He'll have more games like tonight, but he's learning, and getting the feel of the game, all the time. He's worthy of a place, and is just going to get better and better.
Why anyone feels the need to start a thread to have a dig at him is mind-boggling.
This user liked this post: Juan Tanamera

Hipper
Posts: 5682
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:33 pm
Been Liked: 1175 times
Has Liked: 918 times

Re: 9 men

Post by Hipper » Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:21 am

I agree about Vydra. He seems just the right sort of player for VK. Perhaps it was his injury situation as he's still only 30.

groove
Posts: 1184
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:26 pm
Been Liked: 318 times
Has Liked: 544 times

Re: 9 men

Post by groove » Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:22 am

Aye, Benson was bullied tonight. Never recovered from the early welcome.

bumba
Posts: 3029
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:21 pm
Been Liked: 663 times
Has Liked: 192 times

Re: 9 men

Post by bumba » Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:15 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:53 am
Harsh on Costelloe
Barnes has gone though
Think we have missed a trick not giving Vydra a contract though a proven goalscorer in the Championship...and there isn't many more options for that position available,time will tell I suppose.
Not sure it's harsh on Costelloe, he was non existent Friday but I've said he'll be a big player for us. He's clearly got something about him but he needs easing in

BleedingClaret
Posts: 3302
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:06 am
Been Liked: 985 times
Has Liked: 1656 times
Location: Burnley Boy exiled in Nelson

Re: 9 men

Post by BleedingClaret » Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:29 am

groove wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:22 am
Aye, Benson was bullied tonight. Never recovered from the early welcome.
Thing is if you’ve got players that the other team have identified as enough of a threat to decide to try and kick them out of the game, and you can get away with it in this league to some extent, then move that player around dragging the marker around or changing the marker but also consider putting that player in and around the penalty area to win free kicks and pens

Steve1956
Posts: 17178
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:57 pm
Been Liked: 6463 times
Has Liked: 2896 times
Location: Fife

Re: 9 men

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:01 pm

bumba wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:15 am
Not sure it's harsh on Costelloe, he was non existent Friday but I've said he'll be a big player for us. He's clearly got something about him but he needs easing in
Ok,speaking of easing in....Barnes wants easing out if we are going down the "non existent" route of describing our players contributions to games,Costelloe is a young kid cut him some slack

bumba
Posts: 3029
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:21 pm
Been Liked: 663 times
Has Liked: 192 times

Re: 9 men

Post by bumba » Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:24 pm

Barnes just wants dropping no easing out.
Don't see how I've been harsh on Costelloe, I've said he'll be a big player but needs easing in that's how young kids are brought on.
Is that really your issue?

Post Reply