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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:56 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:33 am
It seems to be one extreme to the other with our keepers. Pope, brilliant shot stopper who can't kick a ball accurately to save his life, and even looked like he'd struggle to trap a bag of cement at times, to Muric who seems to be a far better passer (and a risk taker) but doesn't seem to be anywhere near as good at saving one-on-ones.

The reality is if Pope could pass a ball out of defence he would never have played for Burnley.

Likewise with Muric, going to a bigger club than Man City selling him to us.
What are you basing this on?

Didn’t he save at least 2 one on ones yesterday?

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:57 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:56 am
What are you basing this on?

Didn’t he save at least 2 one on ones yesterday?
Tbf RV I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Muric isn’t as good at shot stopping as pope

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:58 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:57 am
Tbf RV I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Muric isn’t as good at shot stopping as pope
That’s not my point or question and it’s not what was said by the poster

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:00 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:58 am
That’s not my point or question and it’s not what was said by the poster
He said
“ doesn't seem to be anywhere near as good at saving one-on-ones.”

Not sure what he’s got wrong there. Pope is one of the best in the world at that.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:19 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:00 am
He said
“ doesn't seem to be anywhere near as good at saving one-on-ones.”

Not sure what he’s got wrong there. Pope is one of the best in the world at that.
‘Doesn’t seem to be’ implies he’s seen many one on ones that Muric has failed to save. I am yet to make that observation, in fact, the one on ones he did face yesterday, he saved.

And yes, it’s more or less stating the obvious that Pope is a better shot stopper than almost any keeper you could name.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:26 am

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:37 am
In all seriousness, if Kompany had played me in goal, rather than Muric, we’d probably have the name number of points in the league.

As a goalkeeper he’s flattered to deceive so far. Anyone can pass the ball a few yards. When he’s been called upon, it normally ends up with him picking the ball out the net.
In all seriousness? Really? Against Luton and Hull, he came out of his goal well to make some good interceptions and he made two excellent close range saves yesterday. The style of play, that starts with him, enables us to control the game in the first place.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by bumba » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:32 am

He just needs to learn sometimes to launch it, Cullen needs to learn if a man is on his tail near the edge of the box that he needs to turn away and not ask for the ball so mUric has no option but to launch it.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by keith1879 » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:44 am

Fundamentally ....if we're going to play like this then we are very dependent on the keeper making the right decisions when passing. If the other team are pressing high then making dangerous passes in the area is no good - in fact it's stupid .... we need to use the fact that they have reduced their numbers in the middle third of the pitch and get the ball up there. This however is not something that should "come with time". Not passing the ball to a marked man in your own area is f***ing fundamental and I am appalled that Muric seems to do it regiularly - it was only a matter of time before it went wrong and unless he improves drastically it will happen again. We all understand that the midfield and forward parts of the team need time to learn together and there seemed to be signs of that already. At the moment I don't think we look good enough for the Championship and it worries me that the problem is so fundamental. (Incidentally - I sit on the James Hargreaves upper and heard no booing yesterday at full-time....there was plenty of odd shouts of abuse at various times but that always happens).

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:45 am

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:26 am
In all seriousness? Really? Against Luton and Hull, he came out of his goal well to make some good interceptions and he made two excellent close range saves yesterday. The style of play, that starts with him, enables us to control the game in the first place.
I just don’t rate his goalkeeping abilities, out of all the goals we’ve conceded, he didn’t do well enough. You say the style of play starts with him… but it could start with anyone.

The defence have to improve, because when it comes down to it… if a player beats the defence, he's going to beat Muric.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:49 am

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:45 am
I just don’t rate his goalkeeping abilities, out of all the goals we’ve conceded, he didn’t do well enough. You say the style of play starts with him… but it could start with anyone.

The defence have to improve, because when it comes down to it… if a player beats the defence, he's going to beat Muric.
What about the two times that happened yesterday and he saved our skin?

Did you watch the game?

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:52 am

Routine saves.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:54 am

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:52 am
Routine saves.
Actually hilarious.

No point even discussing with someone that entrenched in their view.

Good bye.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:55 am

**** keeper

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:55 am

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:52 am
Routine saves.
Absolutely crackers. Please watch them back.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by IanMcL » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:56 am

Very dodgy. Has to learn when to just boot it, rather than fire it at a player, in hope.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by alwaysaclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:00 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:19 am
Yep you are right it’s decision making more than anything else.

I’m 100% sure it will be analysed by the staff this week.

It was the first team we’ve faced that have pressed us so high in a 4-4-2 shape (best pressing shape), so it’s a learning curve.

Muric has accurate long kicking so it’s not like he can’t pick out someone on the wing for example.
First team that have pressed us in that way, but certainly won't be the last cos they'll all do it now

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:02 am

Big Vinny K wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:07 am
Yep I was there paying attention the whole game - at the start of the second half he gave the ball away in the first couple of minutes by doing exactly the same thing he had been doing in the first half….and they nearly scored.

The first time he kicked it long in the second half the crowd actually cheered.

I’m aware he is under instruction to play like this. I just do not agree that he is particularly good at it.
I think your last post and this one is spot on and there is a lot of burying of heads in the sand about Muric.
His distribution and decision making was very poor yesterday and has been shaky in all his 5 games so far.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:06 am

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:52 am
Routine saves.
They were good saves at a vital time of the game and certainly prevented a bad defeat

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:07 am

I still like him and will support him 100% when he wears our shirt.

He probably won't enjoy his time with us with the way our fans are already treating him. We have some real sh1t support.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:08 am

Passing the ball around your own penalty area is high risk and offers minimal return. Pretty pointless unless there are no other options.
Just leave it to Man City.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by NewClaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:08 am

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:56 am
Very dodgy. Has to learn when to just boot it, rather than fire it at a player, in hope.
He’s not dodgy at all, the players he’s passing it to are arguably not good enough to play the system, though.

Hoofing it long against bigger and stronger teams is not the answer either.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by alwaysaclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:13 am

Ric_C wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:57 am
Early thoughts after 5 games

1. He will make mistakes as he is still learning the system and patterns of play.
2. Doesn't come for many crosses for a big guy
3. Doesn't dive much does he?

I'm, prepared to give him time, but as it stands, the jury's out
Just a question and not googled it, but how long had he already spent learning the system at City. Agree with your other 2 points. And yes got to give it a bit more time, but blame can as has also been said apportioned also on Cullen at least for the 1st, but Muric should never have given it to him in 1st place, he's just got to learn when to hoof and when to play it, maybe he will, maybe he won't, but vk has to learn that as well imo, we can all try and learn to play the city way, problem is we don't have world class players of city standards.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by IanMcL » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:15 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:08 am
He’s not dodgy at all, the players he’s passing it to are arguably not good enough to play the system, though.

Hoofing it long against bigger and stronger teams is not the answer either.
He got into trouble, more than once and fired it hard at his team mates. That makes him culpable and dodgy!
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:19 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:08 am
He’s not dodgy at all, the players he’s passing it to are arguably not good enough to play the system, though.

Hoofing it long against bigger and stronger teams is not the answer either.
There were several dodgy moments with Muric's distribution. Cullen was also at fault for the goal though but it appears he very much fits the system and has shown he's comfortable on the ball and in tight spots.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:20 am

He's a decent keeper. Still young and needs to improve his decision making with the ball but he's playing the way the manager wants him to. No surprise he was getting pelters from our backwards fans.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:21 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:20 am
He's a decent keeper. Still young and needs to improve his decision making with the ball but he's playing the way the manager wants him to. No surprise he was getting pelters from our backwards fans.
Absolutely spot on. Backwards is exactly the right word. Embarrassing stuff.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:21 am

Some of our moronic fan base don’t realise that he’s being told to play that way off VK.

The jeering of him was absolutely disgusting
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:23 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:21 am
Some of our moronic fan base don’t realise that he’s being told to play that way off VK.

The jeering of him was absolutely disgusting
Agree completely. Some of the supporters were really poor and short-sighted.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:23 am

As is the ever increasing trend on here we have posters nailing their colour to the mast and defending that view to the end, regardless of what they see with their own eyes.

Muric is good with his feet, his range of passing is decent and he is integral to how we are going to play under VK. However he’s not quite as good as he thinks he is, and he often deliberates with the ball at his feet which results in the passing angle being closed down and the team being put under undue pressure.

It’s fine to say that the benefits will outweigh the negatives, but there’s no way on this earth that we can afford to gift other teams the amount of chances that we offered Blackpool yesterday. There needs to be a balance, and Muric seems to have a good mid-long range pass in his armoury, so there is a time where he needs to just dink it to one of the wings, or even play the long pass through the middle of the pitch to the centre forward which we’ve seen he is capable of. An example of when this time is is in the 44th minute of a match when you have a two goal lead. It’s basic game management.

Hopefully Muric, VK and the rest of the team will have learnt a lot from how we surrendered a comfortable lead yesterday. I also hope the fans stop with the silly jeering and stupid shouts of hoof it, because it’s counter productive and it’s simply not how we’re going to play under VK.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by NewClaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:33 am

taio wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:19 am
There were several dodgy moments with Muric's distribution. Cullen was also at fault for the goal though but it appears he very much fits the system and has shown he's comfortable on the ball and in tight spots.
Didn’t watch the full match, so can’t comment on the other errors, but have seen the goal. He might’ve passed to THB and I think that’s the more sensible ball, but it was Cullens error. Muric made fault at all in that; if we’re going to play that system the midfielders need to be able to collect and protect the ball.

The point here is that this is the managers system. Getting in a new signings back - a young lad at that - for doing as he is asked is nothing short of disgraceful and an embarrassment to the club. And completely unhelpful.

Bet they’re the same ones proclaiming we need to have patience too!

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by taio » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:38 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:33 am
Didn’t watch the full match, so can’t comment on the other errors, but have seen the goal. He might’ve passed to THB and I think that’s the more sensible ball, but it was Cullens error. Muric made fault at all in that; if we’re going to play that system the midfielders need to be able to collect and protect the ball.

The point here is that this is the managers system. Getting in a new signings back - a young lad at that - for doing as he is asked is nothing short of disgraceful and an embarrassment to the club. And completely unhelpful.

Bet they’re the same ones proclaiming we need to have patience too!
There was fault by both Muric and Cullen. I agree completely that it's in line with VK's system and that's certainly not going to change and supporters ought to accept it and that there will be errors from time to time without getting on the players' backs. Some of the supporters yesterday were poor for a range of reasons.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Spijed » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:38 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:33 am
Didn’t watch the full match, so can’t comment on the other errors, but have seen the goal. He might’ve passed to THB and I think that’s the more sensible ball, but it was Cullens error. Muric made fault at all in that; if we’re going to play that system the midfielders need to be able to collect and protect the ball.

The point here is that this is the managers system. Getting in a new signings back - a young lad at that - for doing as he is asked is nothing short of disgraceful and an embarrassment to the club. And completely unhelpful.

Bet they’re the same ones proclaiming we need to have patience too!
Regardless of the views on here, no one should ever boo, or sarcastically cheer a Burnley player whilst they are playing. It doesn't help in the slightest.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by NewClaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:42 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:23 am
Hopefully Muric, VK and the rest of the team will have learnt a lot from how we surrendered a comfortable lead yesterday. I also hope the fans stop with the silly jeering and stupid shouts of hoof it, because it’s counter productive and it’s simply not how we’re going to play under VK.
Absolutely agree with this. I too hope there’s a level of analysis in to any errors and of course they get rectified by helping him make better decisions in future. Which I’m sure their will be. VK oft talks about the level of analysis and importance of pragmatism.

But under VK I cannot see any long hoofs from Muric ever being accepted. Especially if we’re going for Mikautadze - a 5 ft 9 striker is not going to win anything in the air against the big teams in this league. So it’ll be safer passes out from the back and maybe the occasional clearing the lines, but I think fans are just going to have to accept this is a different era, manager, style - and get behind it.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by NewClaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:43 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:38 am
Regardless of the views on here, no one should ever boo, or sarcastically cheer a Burnley player whilst they are playing. It doesn't help in the slightest.
Not at all. Especially a new young lad.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:44 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:33 am
Didn’t watch the full match, so can’t comment on the other errors, but have seen the goal. He might’ve passed to THB and I think that’s the more sensible ball, but it was Cullens error. Muric made fault at all in that; if we’re going to play that system the midfielders need to be able to collect and protect the ball.

The point here is that this is the managers system. Getting in a new signings back - a young lad at that - for doing as he is asked is nothing short of disgraceful and an embarrassment to the club. And completely unhelpful.

Bet they’re the same ones proclaiming we need to have patience too!
Muric’s pass to Cullen was poor. It was to his wrong foot. Cullen could and should have done better but I’d put this largely down to a goalkeeper error.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:48 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:33 am
Didn’t watch the full match, so can’t comment on the other errors, but have seen the goal. He might’ve passed to THB and I think that’s the more sensible ball, but it was Cullens error. Muric made fault at all in that; if we’re going to play that system the midfielders need to be able to collect and protect the ball.

The point here is that this is the managers system. Getting in a new signings back - a young lad at that - for doing as he is asked is nothing short of disgraceful and an embarrassment to the club. And completely unhelpful.

Bet they’re the same ones proclaiming we need to have patience too!
Similar to De Gea to Erickson the other week.
The keeper has to make the decision that at certain times it is too risky to play that pass irrespective of whether Cullen is wanting it. The keeper can see the whole picture better than Cullen and Blackpool had closed down that situation yesterday and he should not have given it to Cullen.
The other errors he made yesterday were mostly as Riley pointed out above - taking too long on the ball and then closed down.

I didn’t hear any booing where I sit but everyone was shaking their head a lot !! Completely agree that it is out of order to get on his back and the players are playing under instruction and this playing from the keeper is integral to how VK wants to play and our style of play. Vast majority of fans are enjoying this style and personally I thought the atmosphere was really good and positive yesterday as it has been for all our games this season.

I am sure nearly everyone recognises why Muric is taking these risks and playing from the back but that does not mean we all have to agree whether he’s so far doing it well.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by NewClaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:56 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:44 am
Muric’s pass to Cullen was poor. It was to his wrong foot. Cullen could and should have done better but I’d put this largely down to a goalkeeper error.
Cullen should be able to trap a ball with his wrong foot though, no? Come to the ball or let it run across him?

It was a risky pass & as I’ve said previously, I’m not really a fan of the ball in to the middle & would prefer he’d have used THB there, but if that’s the managers ask, the midfielders have to be able to deal with it in those tight spots imo.

The pass reached his man, who was under pressure, but that style needs players who can deal with it. I think Cork shields the ball better there.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by vinrogue » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:56 am

Not read the whole thread, but I remember numerous Beast and Carilisle & Cauldwell going for the same ball to hoof it into row z and both missing it and us conceding. I still laugh about them moments. Muric, keep learning fellow, the space he creates by bringing the opposition further up the pitch will create more for us than the mistakes and over time he will become a better keeper. If Pope could distribute with his feet he would be England's No 1, completely unfair to compare Muric with Pope. I saw United's star keeper let a goal in that I might have saved last week. Perhaps the one position that will always split fans. I am a Muric fan and just like many players do at Burnley I hope he learns and becomes a better player with time.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:01 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:56 am
Cullen should be able to trap a ball with his wrong foot though, no? Come to the ball or let it run across him?

It was a risky pass & as I’ve said previously, I’m not really a fan of the ball in to the middle & would prefer he’d have used THB there, but if that’s the managers ask, the midfielders have to be able to deal with it in those tight spots imo.

The pass reached his man, who was under pressure, but that style needs players who can deal with it. I think Cork shields the ball better there.
Of course Cullen should do better but his body shape was all wrong to receive the ball on his weaker foot. To play this system all components need to be executed correctly. The weight, direction and timing of the pass being key. In fact in Kompany’s first meeting with the players I recall him making similar points, although not in specific relation to the goalkeeper.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Hipper » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:07 pm

It was as some agree Cullen's poor control which was at fault for the first goal.

Muric did make a couple of bad errors but, as in other games, they did not lead to goals conceded. They surely will one day but it seems something we are going to have to live with.

Not winning this game was mainly caused by atrocious defending for the second (three Blackpool players with no Burnley player in sight) and a good goal for the third although Maatsen was badly caught out and exposed (perhaps because Tella had gone off and Bastien didn't help out).

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by NewClaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:01 pm
Of course Cullen should do better but his body shape was all wrong to receive the ball on his weaker foot. To play this system all components need to be executed correctly. The weight, direction and timing of the pass being key. In fact in Kompany’s first meeting with the players I recall him making similar points, although not in specific relation to the goalkeeper.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one then RB.

I thought it was a pretty accurate pass and weight, just needed to allow it to run across him or protect it better. I think I could’ve done that :D okay, maybe not, but my point overall is that this system will need players so comfortable they can correct those situations when they occur. I just don’t think we’re quite that good.

Overall, I’d prefer our build up play in those situations started on the flanks and hopefully that will be a lesson learned for the future.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:31 pm

I am not sure how good Muric is as a goalkeeper, he does though seem to be an average keeper who is trying to play the ball around defence like Franz Beckembour. We were in a winning position yesterday and Blackpool had no answer to us then we started the silly passing routines around the goal area for what seemed to be just for the sake of it. Blackpool then started to press and we were all at sea and could have incredibly lost the game. The defenders lost confidence and did know whether to clear the ball or pass their way out. I don't know if this is down to the manager or Muric but it has now put us at a huge disadvantage for future games where clubs will all try to exploit this unnecessary routine.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by turfytopper » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:40 pm

Needs to make better decisions when releasing the ball. The advantage of playing out from the back is to create space in midfield. Yesterday with Blackpool's pressing the space had been created, but instead of sending it there (midfield) he gave Cullen a suicide ball right in front of the sticks. Gees!
Of course Cullen should have sent it into row Z and then maybe Muric would have seen the errors of his ways.
Just before half time he had a go at repeating the trick and we ended up conceding a corner.
He did make two splendid saves in the 2nd half.
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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Stayingup » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:42 pm

An accident waiting to happen and yesterday it did. Never mind Cullen might have controlled THAT pass. He shoukd never have passed to him there.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Dingo » Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:05 pm

I’ve been, on the whole, mostly impressed with Muric. He helps us control the game from the back and this is integral to the new style, he’s made some excellent saves, and his distribution is generally very controlled. Errors are inevitable playing as we are out from the back and inviting the pressure (that’s partly the rationale to open up space), and I’ve never seen a player not make an error in a game. As fans some things we can control, but most things we can’t, so I’m just going to continue supporting him and encouraging him to do his best, as that’s all I can control.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by claretspice » Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:21 pm

He's a bit unconventional and I think always will be. He's probably a bit more confident than he ought to be but channelled correctly that is a strength and generally I think he has the potential to be a very good keeper.

It has to be remembered he's pretty young for a keeper and is also adapting to a very different league to the one he made his name in last season (one loan spell 3-4 years ago doesn't really help). So far he's shown glimpses of command of his box from crosses /long throws but hasn't done it consistently. He made some excellent saves yesterday but I thought he might have done more about the Hull game. He's handled surely on occasions but looked a little shaky on others. That's a keeper still adapting.

With his feet - at the moment his calmness exceeds the quality of execution but he has the tools. When he plays short the weight is generally very good and he does have the range to play longer with impressive accuracy. But so far there have been too many duff moments , often when the simple option is eschewed for something that is reckless rather than a calm assessment that the reward exceeds a risk of calamity. Again that's partly to do with adapting from the Turkish league and PL2. He needs to understand the limits of those around him, and himself quickly, and recalibrate his risk radar to reflect the intensity of pressing and physicality on show in the Championship.

If we're to be as competitive this season as we should be he will have to do that learning quickly. But equally, he does need some time to adapt and patience whilst he does it. Boos in game don't help anyone. Any keeper needs a strong mentality and the signs are he has one (he bounced back really well yesterday) but a but of backing wouldn't go amiss. The unrest yesterday was understandable but it was premature.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by burnleymik » Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:54 pm

All teams are going to be onto this now and really press us high, this should create a lot more space for us in other areas and hopefully we will learn, improve and start to exploit that with the speed we have in the team.

Muric is trying to do what he is instructed to do, but it's not going to be easy when a team press us as high as Blackpool did.

I have no issue, he will learn and grow and he had also proven he can save one or two.

We just have to have patience. Getting on his back is only going to make it worse. The alternativesl is BPF and that worries me.

Let's get behind Muric, build his confidence and help him grow into the role.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by jos » Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:36 pm

Some might say he is Mendyesque. :)

Just to clarify Mendy just made a howler trying to play football against a striker

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by helmclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:23 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:37 am
In all seriousness, if Kompany had played me in goal, rather than Muric, we’d probably have the name number of points in the league.

As a goalkeeper he’s flattered to deceive so far. Anyone can pass the ball a few yards. When he’s been called upon, it normally ends up with him picking the ball out the net.
What a ridiculous thing to say.

Give the lad a chance.

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Re: Early Thoughts On Muric?

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:25 pm

Burnley fans getting angry at a keeper who tries to keep poessesion! Embarrassing.
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