How the hell anyone can start criticising the manager, player and systems at this stage is beyond me!

Get a life and enjoy the ride.

Spindles wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:40 pm

Whole tone of your post was negative, so it's not surprising posters take you up on the part about no saves tbf

The whole tone of my post was fact.

OK Mental I the wrong word and should be replaced with rash.
He hasn't had a (savable) shot to save so we can't judge him.
The cross he came for then left almost caused a goal.

I always try to my honest view on us.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:43 pm

Of which Muric has been a huge part of

Absolutely. We keep the ball for 65%+ of a game in parts thanks to Muric, so there isn't as much opportunity for the opposition to get to our goal.

All he seemed to do tonight was pass to the back 4 who were standing almost alongside him. Fine as that keeps us in possession, not longing for hoofball.
A couple times though he passed to players who were obviously under pressure which nearly resulted in us losing possession 20 yards from goal.

Goobs wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:45 pm

The whole tone of my post was fact.

OK Mental I the wrong word and should be replaced with rash.
He hasn't had a (savable) shot to save so we can't judge him.
The cross he came for then left almost caused a goal.

I always try to my honest view on us.

Tone cannot be factual but none the less, I don't think he's been rash; a little over ambitious/inaccurate in his play out once or twice perhaps but on no instance has it lead to a goal.

Sheedyclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:14 pm

Has he made a save yet?

I don't think so.

Spindles wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:50 pm

Tone cannot be factual but none the less, I don't think he's been rash; a little over ambitious/inaccurate in his play out once or twice perhaps but on no instance has it lead to a goal.

Not going to argue semantics but I'm sure you get my point really. I think some of his charges from goal have been rash but that is just my opinion I guess. No it hasn't lead to a goal and whether or not thT is more luck than judgement is again a matter of opinion. Anyway I don't want to bash on him so I will leave it at for me the jury is still out but I think whilst there may be a top player there (like much of our team) he looks raw and naive.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:43 pm

I've honestly got no idea what you're talking about, it's just more inane drivel that doesn't come close to the topic of the thread. I liked it when you promised not to post.

I was referring to you questioning other posters criticising
the goalkeeping abilities, he might not have had a save to make but wherever possible you can influence if the shot/header is directed on target & clearly on at least 2 occasions thus far that hasn’t happened if it had we wouldn’t have already conceded 2. That said I don’t think he’s that bad so far we wasn’t going to get another instant pope or Heaton replacement & BPF & WH aren’t streets ahead the distribution needs working on.

Vision of Ederson with the feet of Pope.

JohnMac wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:06 am

Vision of Ederson with the feet of Pope.

How many times did he give the ball away? once or twice all night? how many times did he kick it out of play? 0?

You're ignoring the 95% of times he found his team mates and focusing on the 1 or 2 occasions he didn't.

I am just glad we are not playing against Premier League teams with him as I conservatively estimate he would have cost us 3 goals already.
I’m relieved no team has took advantage of his mistakes so far.
But VK wants him to play this way…. so we have to live with a few nerves and remember the players on the pitch are a lot calmer and comfortable with this than we are as fans and will trust the system and trust Muric too hopefully

I have no idea whether he is a good shop stopper but happy to assume he is as that is a far more logical view that VK would not have bought him if wasn’t than assuming he is a poor keeper given he has had so little to do in 3 games.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:12 am

How many times did he give the ball away? once or twice all night? how many times did he kick it out of play? 0?

You're ignoring the 95% of times he found his team mates and focusing on the 1 or 2 occasions he didn't.

Calm down lad, he just gives us oldies the shivers. Most of those quick balls lead to very little in terms of penetration. We are into this possession game now and it takes a bit of getting used to, especially with a sweeper keeper.

I'm sure he will be okay but often looks lastsecond.com

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:57 pm

I was referring to you questioning other posters criticising
the goalkeeping abilities, he might not have had a save to make but wherever possible you can influence if the shot/header is directed on target & clearly on at least 2 occasions thus far that hasn’t happened if it had we wouldn’t have already conceded 2. That said I don’t think he’s that bad so far we wasn’t going to get another instant pope or Heaton replacement & BPF & WH aren’t streets ahead the distribution needs working on.

What could Muric have done to influence whether Luton's or Watford's goals were on target?

He's an absolute psycho, I kind of love it.

Pope was actually very good in the sweeper keeper role in the respect he came out fast, at the right times and cleared the ball well. His kicking was atrocious, almost as bad as Beresford's.

Muric is a very different kind of sweeper keeper and focuses more on starting attacks. He shows for the ball more, positions himself better when we have the ball and has good kicking and decent passing for a keeper.

He probably won't be as good at stopping shots as Pope or Heaton but he shouldn't need to be this season.

Love Muric, could be my favourite signing of the summer so far.

Pickles wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:42 pm

You didn't explicitly but the rest of the post was negative. I just asked a question and was called an idiot in response. Ah well. UTC.

I think this is just a misunderstanding - the poster meant to say “has he had to make a save yet” rather than “has he made a save yet”.

No need for a handbags

He looks like a very good acquisition
After Nick, the best Burnley keeper I've seen ,anyone would look gash
I am disappointed though with his accurate kickouts to our defenders while they didn't play a fast accurate ,pass forwards instead of nonsense back or sideways balls ,loosing us momentum

Muric as done ok so far although he as had little or no shots to save. He is excellent with his feet and knows when to hold, to distribute or play long
.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:12 am

How many times did he give the ball away? once or twice all night? how many times did he kick it out of play? 0?

You're ignoring the 95% of times he found his team mates and focusing on the 1 or 2 occasions he didn't.

That argument doesn’t work as the 1 or 2 are generally 20 yards from goal and will lead to goal scoring opportunities which is a massive percentage of clear opportunities in most games.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:10 am

He looks like a very good acquisition
After Nick, the best Burnley keeper I've seen

Incredible post to the extend that I’m concerned that I’m taking a nibble at some bait.

A keeper who is yet to make a save is the 2nd best Burnley keeper you’ve seen?

The only way that this could be reasonable is if you only started watching us in a post Heaton era meaning that you are only discounting Norris & BPF

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:11 am

Muric as done ok so far although he as had little or no shots to save.

Over the first 3 matches he's had precisely 3 shots to save. 1 was saved and the other 2 were goals, so 66.6% of shots on target have been goals conceded.

It's a crude stat that doesn't reflect the fact that the 2 goals were point blank chances which he could do nothing about, but I hope it improves over time nonetheless.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:10 am

He looks like a very good acquisition
After Nick, the best Burnley keeper I've seen ,anyone would look gash
I am disappointed though with his accurate kickouts to our defenders while they didn't play a fast accurate ,pass forwards instead of nonsense back or sideways balls ,loosing us momentum

You mean “Nick the Greek” as he was warmly known.

I get a panic on at times when the balls passed back to him but it’s early days yet, once the team gels he’ll be fine.

A giant Grobellar ( for those who remember him ).. crazy but solid

Both Ederson at Man City & Alisson at Liverpool have make some almighty cock-ups when playing out from the back.

It's going to happen for every team that plays this way.

Its exciting but he scares the **** out of me .

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:11 am

Muric as done ok so far although he as had little or no shots to save. He is excellent with his feet and knows when to hold, to distribute or play long
.

Totally agree.

Problem is all goalkeepers bar the elite have a mistake in them somewhere. It's likely at most levels you'll see a keeper "cost you" a few goals over a season.
Then you look at playing it around the back as we have and I think we'll concede a few like this too. It's a lot to say your expecting your keeper to be in error of 5plus goals over the season.

With his feet he’s been outstanding bar one mistake last night. If he can command his box we’ve got a hell of a keeper on our hands.

JohnMcGreal wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:53 am

Over the first 3 matches he's had precisely 3 shots to save. 1 was saved and the other 2 were goals, so 66.6% of shots on target have been goals conceded.

It's a crude stat that doesn't reflect the fact that the 2 goals were point blank chances which he could do nothing about, but I hope it improves over time nonetheless.

I just hope he only has an average one shot to save per game, whether it goes in or not.

Our issues are converting possession to chances and chances to goals. Nothing at all to do with our keeper.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:14 am

With his feet he’s been outstanding bar one mistake last night. If he can command his box we’ve got a hell of a keeper on our hands.

Has he though? I saw him pass the ball out to Watford twice last night, right on the edge of our area.

Think I missed one getting a beer. Either way, over 3 games, he’s been outstanding. Would love to know how many passes he’s made & vs other keepers in the league for those who know how to get these stats.

Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:42 am

That argument doesn’t work as the 1 or 2 are generally 20 yards from goal and will lead to goal scoring opportunities which is a massive percentage of clear opportunities in most games.

but 3 games in and so far they haven't led to clear goalscoring opportunities or even shots on target. It's a balancing act, we'll make mistakes playing this way and concede goals from it, the upside outweighs any negative.

He may induce a few heart attacks for the older members of the Bob lord stand for his clearances

He’s currently better than De Gea

Zlatan wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:59 pm

He’s currently better than De Gea

Think you can say that for nearly any gk

I know its only early days,but ask me again at Xmas!!

Nobody in this league will test him

He takes too many chances

Sets up so many of our attacks. Rather have him playing the way he does than pick the ball up kick it as far as he can do we can defend again.

He is going to cost us games. I’ve not really seen any goalkeeping from him. He plays like a sweeper but not a very good one. As said earlier, if we were in the Premier League we would have been punished badly

I don't know if he's any good - he's not made a save yet.

Caught a few crosses ok.

Who’d know. After 3 games he hasn’t had a save to make but I’m terrified every time he takes a back pass. We were led to believe he was good with his feet, he isn’t.

He isn’t good with his feet?

Unbelievable.

Some rubbish spouted on here.

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:04 am

He isn’t good with his feet?

Unbelievable.

Some rubbish spouted on here.

Perplexes me.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:53 am

We were led to believe he was good with his feet, he isn’t.

Oh my word

Jury still out as he has only played 3 games.

He looks suited to our system due to him being good with his feet, other than 1 sloppy pass at Watford I would have said excellent with his feet to date

He’s a talented lad and I’m looking forward to watching him this season.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:12 am

Jury still out as he has only played 3 games.

He looks suited to our system due to him being good with his feet, other than 1 sloppy pass at Watford I would have said excellent with his feet to date

Maatsen played quite a few stray passes last game. Think Roberts did too. THB I remember playing a dodgy one.

We’re not going to get the Keeper playing every pass perfectly when our outfield players can’t, but it’ll all get better over the season.

Some great takes on this thread. 'if we were in the Premier League' yeah well wake up, we ain't.

I swear some fans just want us to hack aimless balls in the general direction of Barnes all game.