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Graeme Souness drawing some criticism online for comments made on Sky after the Chelsea v Tottenham game yesterday, whether you agree with his comments or not I do respect the fact that he hasn't backed down like many people have done in the past and stood by his words - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62548431
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Are the critics saying that Chelsea v Tottenham yesterday was actually a game for men and women, and it's only by the merest fluke that there were no women playing?
It's pretty clear Souness was talking specifically about yesterday's game which literally was a man's game, only for men. What he's saying is that figuratively it was a man's game too of the type of game he might have played in his time. Some people have just seen half a chance to get annoyed and have taken it with both feet.
It's pretty clear Souness was talking specifically about yesterday's game which literally was a man's game, only for men. What he's saying is that figuratively it was a man's game too of the type of game he might have played in his time. Some people have just seen half a chance to get annoyed and have taken it with both feet.
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Obviously worded badly but everyone knows the context he was trying to make his point in.
Hopefully it blows over
Hopefully it blows over
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I don't think there's any problem with what he said but do find it quite funny it was about ten minutes after someone should have been sent off for hair pulling
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I am amazed that he has managed to survive this long, to be honest as he is exactly the demographic that the BBC and Sky especially have declared genocide against!...
I like him... He is not the brightest in regards to punditry but I believe in his authenticity and he was a damn good player and as hard as nails...
He is wrong though... Even the men's game is not a 'man's game' anymore... Not at Premier League level anyway and if he had the IQ, he would have learnt what to do to keep in a job in these strange times... Unless he just does not care, which could be the case.
I like him... He is not the brightest in regards to punditry but I believe in his authenticity and he was a damn good player and as hard as nails...
He is wrong though... Even the men's game is not a 'man's game' anymore... Not at Premier League level anyway and if he had the IQ, he would have learnt what to do to keep in a job in these strange times... Unless he just does not care, which could be the case.
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I am with him all the way.claretburns wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:34 pmGraeme Souness drawing some criticism online for comments made on Sky after the Chelsea v Tottenham game yesterday, whether you agree with his comments or not I do respect the fact that he hasn't backed down like many people have done in the past and stood by his words - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62548431
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Remember, Twitter isn't a real place
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He was talking specifically about yesterday's game. A game between 2 teams of men. It's absolutely clear what he's talking about, unless of course someone listening is intent on deliberately mis interpreting it to suit their agenda.
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I think everyone understands what he was trying to say, and being honest, most fans would agree with what he meant in his head. He's just worded it carelessly.
Clever thing to do is apologise for his unfortunate misspeak and use the platform to explain the intended meaning, then move on. Doubling down on it just makes the story go on and on.
Clever thing to do is apologise for his unfortunate misspeak and use the platform to explain the intended meaning, then move on. Doubling down on it just makes the story go on and on.
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Why apologise for using the opportunity of free speech to say exactly what you think.Falcon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:18 pmI think everyone understands what he was trying to say, and being honest, most fans would agree with what he meant in his head. He's just worded it carelessly.
Clever thing to do is apologise for his unfortunate misspeak and use the platform to explain the intended meaning, then move on. Doubling down on it just makes the story go on and on.
Oh I did forget that we no longer have free speech, no longer have common sense, no longer have many people who are able to think for themselves etc., etc. ad nauseam.
I am now waiting for someone to claim that the government must do something about it and t hat Souness should be hung, drawn and quartered.
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If female footballers are so easily offended, they need to man up and grow a pair.
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Just imagine being so easily offended by a man, who played mens football, describing men, playing mens football
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He explained his comments this morning on Talkshite.Falcon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:18 pmI think everyone understands what he was trying to say, and being honest, most fans would agree with what he meant in his head. He's just worded it carelessly.
Clever thing to do is apologise for his unfortunate misspeak and use the platform to explain the intended meaning, then move on. Doubling down on it just makes the story go on and on.
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Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:25 pmWhy apologise for using the opportunity of free speech to say exactly what you think.
Oh I did forget that we no longer have free speech, no longer have common sense, no longer have many people who are able to think for themselves etc., etc. ad nauseam.
I am now waiting for someone to claim that the government must do something about it and t hat Souness should be hung, drawn and quartered.
Oh dear. Lot of things on my bingo card ticked off here. You missed 'cancel culture' and 'wokism' by the way.
Freedom of speech =/= freedom of consequence.
If you say something that makes you look like a knob, someone can call you a knob, even if you don't agree it makes you look like a knob.
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what's the gender-neutral equivalency, and let's not say "person's game" because the meaning is one of toughness, which was Souness's intent. I guess you take it non-gender and just say it's a tough game....
And if we had witnessed an equivalent game in the women's league, how should a pundit have described it? Not "women's game" as that doesn't carry the intonation?
Serious and non-serious answers please
And if we had witnessed an equivalent game in the women's league, how should a pundit have described it? Not "women's game" as that doesn't carry the intonation?
Serious and non-serious answers please
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I said to my other half at the time when he said it.. 'that's abit sexist'
Tonque in cheek of course. The woman sat next to him was even smiling after he said it, she knew how he meant it. Just do gooders taking things out of context again.
Still waiting for the Earth to be literally wrapped in bubble wrap.
Tonque in cheek of course. The woman sat next to him was even smiling after he said it, she knew how he meant it. Just do gooders taking things out of context again.
Still waiting for the Earth to be literally wrapped in bubble wrap.
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If I knew or even cared about 'cancel culture' and 'wokism' I may even start to worry about looking like a knob, however, you are abviously concerned about such things so rock on. I will just get on and continue with the life I have lived for almost 76 years, no matter who gets upset.Falcon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:06 pmOh dear. Lot of things on my bingo card ticked off here. You missed 'cancel culture' and 'wokism' by the way.
Freedom of speech =/= freedom of consequence.
If you say something that makes you look like a knob, someone can call you a knob, even if you don't agree it makes you look like a knob.
I shall also continue with the work I carry out to help Veterans and families because they can handle the way I look at life.
Anyone can call me what they like, it is water of a duck's back and will never change my thinking or telling it the way that it is. PC is dead in our house.
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Quality. Sat on my sun bed in Spain and spat my beer out laughing at that one.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:25 pmIf female footballers are so easily offended, they need to man up and grow a pair.
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It doesn't make him look a knob. He may of course look like one for people like you who don't (or don't want to) understand what he was saying.Falcon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:06 pmOh dear. Lot of things on my bingo card ticked off here. You missed 'cancel culture' and 'wokism' by the way.
Freedom of speech =/= freedom of consequence.
If you say something that makes you look like a knob, someone can call you a knob, even if you don't agree it makes you look like a knob.
He was obviously referring to 'men' as in 'men or boys', not 'men or women'.
In any case, I didn't think the match was rougher then usual and certainly not the Souness era when, to misquote John Fashanu, you could 'break an opponents leg but that's OK as long as you do it fairly'. It's great that we've moved on from times when the likes of Pele were literally kicked out of the 66 Word Cup. We now have top class football pitches, highly technical, pacy and strong players, which is how I've always wanted football to be - skill should prevail. The downside is that as players can't hack each down anymore they have to resort to the more cycnical stuff like shirt pulling, the all-in wrestling that goes on at corners, and falling over at the slightest touch.
Although I didn't see much of the women's Euros, what I did see, mostly, was a more innocent approach where they just tried to play football. Some teams did already have a bit of the dark arts about them but generally it was refreshing to see. I fear though as more money comes into the women's game it will end up as the men's have.
Anyway the main issue at the Chelsea - Spurs game was the childish behaviour of the managers, particularly Tuchel who, when Chelsea scored the second goal, ran passed the Spurs dug out and down the side of the pitch to celebrate. What a prat.
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Agreed there are people who deliberately stir the sxxx .Souness said what he felt and got panned for it.
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Sadly we don’t have free speech anymore in this country. And we have too many people looking to jump on people in the media who say things which may upset the ever growing number of “easily offended” people.Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:25 pmWhy apologise for using the opportunity of free speech to say exactly what you think.
Oh I did forget that we no longer have free speech, no longer have common sense, no longer have many people who are able to think for themselves etc., etc. ad nauseam.
I am now waiting for someone to claim that the government must do something about it and t hat Souness should be hung, drawn and quartered.
He will end up having to issue a grovelling apology in order to keep his job. Mind you, he is at the age now and has surely amassed enough money to be able to tell them to shove it.
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And we no longer have nominations for "man of the match" - now "player of the match"
And cricket no longer played by "batsmen"
The world has gone totally mad
Snowflakes rule ok
And cricket no longer played by "batsmen"
The world has gone totally mad
Snowflakes rule ok
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These debates always bring out the “free speech” argument.
We don’t have “free” speech - you cannot just say anything without potential repercussions - slander laws, racism, incitement of hate etc.
But I do not think there was anything wrong with what Souness said - it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense what he was trying to express…..problem is that common sense is a fast declining trait in society these days.
We don’t have “free” speech - you cannot just say anything without potential repercussions - slander laws, racism, incitement of hate etc.
But I do not think there was anything wrong with what Souness said - it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense what he was trying to express…..problem is that common sense is a fast declining trait in society these days.
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Unsurprising that the article in the OP was from the BBC. They can't wait to jump all over this stuff. I'm no raving right winger, quite the opposite, but the way that organisation is being run makes me despair. Fully with Souness on this. Quite clear that his point wasn't aimed at women at all but was just trying to emphasise that physicality in the men's game makes it better to watch. Most football fans would agree with that I think.
Also, I think the female footballers complaining need to be a bit careful. There are physical differences between men and women. You can't ignore that. So you wouldn't expect the men's and women's games to be played exactly at the same tempo, with the same physicality. The recent Euros was a great watch and there were aspects that were more enjoyable than the "men's" game, particularly the lack of play acting and respect for the officials. So I don't think the women's game necessarily ought to be advertising itself to be exactly the same as the men's equivalent. That way it will always be second fiddle. Instead they should recognise and promote the strong points of the female game rather than getting het up about comments such as those made by Souness.
Also, I think the female footballers complaining need to be a bit careful. There are physical differences between men and women. You can't ignore that. So you wouldn't expect the men's and women's games to be played exactly at the same tempo, with the same physicality. The recent Euros was a great watch and there were aspects that were more enjoyable than the "men's" game, particularly the lack of play acting and respect for the officials. So I don't think the women's game necessarily ought to be advertising itself to be exactly the same as the men's equivalent. That way it will always be second fiddle. Instead they should recognise and promote the strong points of the female game rather than getting het up about comments such as those made by Souness.
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I know it's impractical but the women's game would be a lot more solid if they made the goals smaller by about a foot. Seeing yet another ball sail over a diminutive goalie's head is almost like a game breaking computer game glitch they forgot to fix.
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It is sad that people cannot speak their mind any more. I know we bang on about free speech and the easily offended but there is a real problem here. People have opinions and those opinions differ but it is not always about ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ as too many people think. How many times have you heard the phrase, usually uttered in shocked or fake shocked tones, ‘you can’t say that’. We appear to have come to a point where the thought police are very much in control and I find that extremely sad. People seem to have moved the line between the genuinely offensive and hateful and the the somewhat over sensitive, some would say childish, offence that many now have and taken it to an extreme. It would appear that because of the desire by some to destroy all elements of the apparently offensive we have arrived at a point where people, male and female, have to be so cautious about what they say that no actual conversation can be had.
It seems that ‘context’ is a word that will soon be scrubbed from dictionaries as a dead, no longer required word.
It seems that ‘context’ is a word that will soon be scrubbed from dictionaries as a dead, no longer required word.
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Sign of the times it's what I miss about the olden days everybody knew where there stood you could say what you wanted & mostly it was accepted in the genuine spirit even if it wasn't a chat over a pint resolved any misunderstandings. Society is very much different now where people strive to create problems at the drop of a hat.Jamesy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:37 amSadly we don’t have free speech anymore in this country. And we have too many people looking to jump on people in the media who say things which may upset the ever growing number of “easily offended” people.
He will end up having to issue a grovelling apology in order to keep his job. Mind you, he is at the age now and has surely amassed enough money to be able to tell them to shove it.
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Ah, those "olden days" when everything was just perfect. Never existed. It's about context. Undoubtedly people are over-sensitive to things these days like Souness's comments where he really didn't mean to offend. But you can't use that to deny the fact that the past was a far more racist, sexist and more homophobic place. Not stuff that could be called a "misunderstanding" to be resolved over a pint.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:31 amSign of the times it's what I miss about the olden days everybody knew where there stood you could say what you wanted & mostly it was accepted in the genuine spirit even if it wasn't a chat over a pint resolved any misunderstandings. Society is very much different now where people strive to create problems at the drop of a hat.
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Just to be clear, Souness made these comments on telly, and then went on the radio the next morning and doubled down. He then issued a statement via Sky where he didn't apologise. He is not facing any consequences and still works both jobs.
He has the right to make the comments just as people have the right to disagree and criticise him.
You might not like or agree with the criticism he's faced but if you think this is a "free speech" or "cancel culture" issue then you've unfortunately fallen into a senseless culture war completely detached from reality.
He has the right to make the comments just as people have the right to disagree and criticise him.
You might not like or agree with the criticism he's faced but if you think this is a "free speech" or "cancel culture" issue then you've unfortunately fallen into a senseless culture war completely detached from reality.
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Everybody was happier back then that's all I remember, people helped each other & looked out for each other & you could trust people more, I'd love to go back but I've yet to discover anybody that's invented a time travelling machine, the olden days for me was just perfect.welsbyswife wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:59 amAh, those "olden days" when everything was just perfect. Never existed. It's about context. Undoubtedly people are over-sensitive to things these days like Souness's comments where he really didn't mean to offend. But you can't use that to deny the fact that the past was a far more racist, sexist and more homophobic place. Not stuff that could be called a "misunderstanding" to be resolved over a pint.
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Everybody was not happier at all - you may have been !Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:07 amEverybody was happier back then that's all I remember, people helped each other & looked out for each other & you could trust people more, I'd love to go back but I've yet to discover anybody that's invented a time travelling machine, the olden days for me was just perfect.
I have a very close friend who for the first 40 / 45 years of his entire life suffered racist comments dressed up as “banter”. He knew that if he rose to this or said anything back that it would make matters worse for him. It does not mean it did not hurt him every time something was said.
I know 100% he does not yearn for the “good ole days”
Of course there are certain things from the past we wish were in the current society. But racism, sexism, homophobia are not on my list - even if you thought it was banter back then….or still do now….it’s not about how you felt it’s about those being spoken to or written about feel.
And just to get back to the topic of the thread there was nothing wrong with what Souness said in the context he said it - nothing at all.
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This all day longBig Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:15 amEverybody was not happier at all - you may have been !
I have a very close friend who for the first 40 / 45 years of his entire life suffered racist comments dressed up as “banter”. He knew that if he rose to this or said anything back that it would make matters worse for him. It does not mean it did not hurt him every time something was said.
I know 100% he does not yearn for the “good ole days”
Of course there are certain things from the past we wish were in the current society. But racism, sexism, homophobia are not on my list - even if you thought it was banter back then….or still do now….it’s not about how you felt it’s about those being spoken to or written about feel.
And just to get back to the topic of the thread there was nothing wrong with what Souness said in the context he said it - nothing at all.
I also have a friend who was treated in the same way. Met him in the 70s on my first day at Main Gas. One of the best friends I ever had, but looking back the abuse he had to put up with dressed up as banter was shameful.
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I'll rephrase it everybody seemed happier although with some exceptions as in the case of your friend who unfortunately experienced what he experienced but you can't really isolate any particular era as being exempt from discrimination, it happened then it happens now it's how our behavioural tendencies have changed from being relaxed to being super sensitive.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:15 amEverybody was not happier at all - you may have been !
I have a very close friend who for the first 40 / 45 years of his entire life suffered racist comments dressed up as “banter”. He knew that if he rose to this or said anything back that it would make matters worse for him. It does not mean it did not hurt him every time something was said.
I know 100% he does not yearn for the “good ole days”
Of course there are certain things from the past we wish were in the current society. But racism, sexism, homophobia are not on my list - even if you thought it was banter back then….or still do now….it’s not about how you felt it’s about those being spoken to or written about feel.
And just to get back to the topic of the thread there was nothing wrong with what Souness said in the context he said it - nothing at all.
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Out of curiosity, how old are you to be hankering for the "olden" days?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:41 amI'll rephrase it everybody seemed happier although with some exceptions as in the case of your friend who unfortunately experienced what he experienced but you can't really isolate any particular era as being exempt from discrimination, it happened then it happens now it's how our behavioural tendencies have changed from being relaxed to being super sensitive.
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Relaxed / ‘banter’ versus super sensitiveJakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:41 amI'll rephrase it everybody seemed happier although with some exceptions as in the case of your friend who unfortunately experienced what he experienced but you can't really isolate any particular era as being exempt from discrimination, it happened then it happens now it's how our behavioural tendencies have changed from being relaxed to being super sensitive.
I’ll take the latter cheers if it’s a choice between the two.
Harking back to the 70s, 80s/90s is something I often do for music, fashion, football etc….but not for Love Thy Neighbour or to be a bit more serious the way that anyone who was not white or straight was spoken to or treated by the rest of the society.
And of course you can isolate certain eras for being discriminate - what an ignorant thing to say. You don’t think that the 1980s for example was a particular discriminate era for gay men do you ?
It’s all relative - and right now things are relatively a lot better than the good old days in the areas I have mentioned - but obviously a long long way from being perfect
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Yeah, but Eni Aluko and Bethany England couldn't wait to have a go on twitter and make a potential big deal about this. Safe to say the replies and overall sentiment weren't exactly what they were expecting.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:03 amJust to be clear, Souness made these comments on telly, and then went on the radio the next morning and doubled down. He then issued a statement via Sky where he didn't apologise. He is not facing any consequences and still works both jobs.
He has the right to make the comments just as people have the right to disagree and criticise him.
You might not like or agree with the criticism he's faced but if you think this is a "free speech" or "cancel culture" issue then you've unfortunately fallen into a senseless culture war completely detached from reality.
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Being a white heterosexual male these days is enough to make you want to top yourself. Well not quite but you get the gist
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Re: Graeme Souness - Men's football
Were the replies and overall sentiment against Aluko and England's free speech or an attempt at cancel culture?
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Sounds like Souness' playing career.
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What you mean is that discrimination used to be tolerated and now (by most) it isn't.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:41 amI'll rephrase it everybody seemed happier although with some exceptions as in the case of your friend who unfortunately experienced what he experienced but you can't really isolate any particular era as being exempt from discrimination, it happened then it happens now it's how our behavioural tendencies have changed from being relaxed to being super sensitive.
You are pining for the time when discrimination was tolerated.
Try and dress it up another way if you like but it's apparent to everyone who can read what you mean.
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Things were different like I said & the 1980s launched erasure etc things were actually catching on & becoming more fashionable, I actually think it's you being the ignorant 1 labelling that decade as being homophobic, sure some people were but you can't broad brush that era as being that, the 1980s era was actually giving people an identity & the confidence to come out of their shell not the other way around, social media wasn't in existence so that side wasn't the issue it is nowadays it's actually some elements of that which has delivered the platform for abuse, largely in the 80s you was accepted for what you was & if you wasn't you wouldn't find no problems finding acceptance elsewhere.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:56 amRelaxed / ‘banter’ versus super sensitive
I’ll take the latter cheers if it’s a choice between the two.
Harking back to the 70s, 80s/90s is something I often do for music, fashion, football etc….but not for Love Thy Neighbour or to be a bit more serious the way that anyone who was not white or straight was spoken to or treated by the rest of the society.
And of course you can isolate certain eras for being discriminate - what an ignorant thing to say. You don’t think that the 1980s for example was a particular discriminate era for gay men do you ?
It’s all relative - and right now things are relatively a lot better than the good old days in the areas I have mentioned - but obviously a long long way from being perfect
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"largely in the 80s you was accepted for what you was & if you wasn't you wouldn't find no problems finding acceptance elsewhere."
If you don't like being a victim of racist or homophobic discrimination go somewhere else, seems to be the stance
If you don't like being a victim of racist or homophobic discrimination go somewhere else, seems to be the stance
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Bet you wasn't even born by then but feel free to dismiss comments from people who were & lived in that era.
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There are people out there who love nothing more than finding fault with others. Some of the former Woman's England Team fall into that category and jump on every little nuance to misrepresent others whilst banging their personal drum. Women who seek parity in Football can bang on about how the Women won the European Championship, something the Men have never done but not see the irony.
Was his choice of words wrong?
Yes
Was the context of his statement wrong?
No
Was his choice of words wrong?
Yes
Was the context of his statement wrong?
No
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…and as for that Crown Paints advert…
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So how old are you?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:35 pmBet you wasn't even born by then but feel free to dismiss comments from people who were & lived in that era.
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WrongJakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:35 pmBet you wasn't even born by then but feel free to dismiss comments from people who were & lived in that era.
Not much of a surprise considering you are wrong about most things.