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Encouraging Signs
Despite the last 2 or 3 results which we perhaps thought we would have achieved better after Huddersfield, there's clearly a lot to be encouraged about. It's a team full of talented players but most of them are new and adjusting. It'll click eventually, and with the help of a couple more incomings I'm absolutely sure we'll be up in the top 6 region. Rather than jumping on the first poor performance of a player or finding a new scapegoat, why not encompass some patience?
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More like it. I've been away since Hudders match, missed the Luton match as flying, but we have absolutely battered Watford and Hull, it is coming, strap in, someone is going to get annhilated. Hoping it's Lashers.Flying Without Ings wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:00 amDespite the last 2 or 3 results which we perhaps thought we would have achieved better after Huddersfield, there's clearly a lot to be encouraged about. It's a team full of talented players but most of them are new and adjusting. It'll click eventually, and with the help of a couple more incomings I'm absolutely sure we'll be up in the top 6 region. Rather than jumping on the first poor performance of a player or finding a new scapegoat, why not encompass some patience?
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Sorry I don't. We are too pedestrian. Not even as exciting as EH times when at least we scored some goals
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Absolutely. So much to get a hold of and be encouraged by.
Patience, and with one or two more astute signings, we are right in the mix here, which is by far more than we could have hoped for considering the changes we have gone thru.
Either that, or would folk rather be happy with going back to defending 0-1 so it doesn’t become 0-2?
Embrace this. It’s SOOOOOOO refreshing.
Patience, and with one or two more astute signings, we are right in the mix here, which is by far more than we could have hoped for considering the changes we have gone thru.
Either that, or would folk rather be happy with going back to defending 0-1 so it doesn’t become 0-2?
Embrace this. It’s SOOOOOOO refreshing.
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What do you expect from a team full of new players, and for the existing players a completely new way of playing? We're 4 games in...how can you even compare at this stage?
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Pedestrian?
Wow. Just wow.
We move the ball around very quickly and very tightly and when we lose it we go hunting for it back. And you call us pedestrian?
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People need to realise that we are still going to probably get Churlinov, Twine and a Striker added to this team, which should give us much more firepower. Twine is renowned for his goals from distance, he will be a valuable weapon mark my words.
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Twine will go nuts in this team. I know it is a step up, but he will score for fun.
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Agree it is early doors but one win in four when the stats show us having more shots on target, more shots and about 70% possession. Lost to Watford who had one shot on target. When we moved the ball quickly forwards with about four passes we equalised. When we revert to EH tactics playing out from the back across the pitch getting nowhere we create very little hence the stats IMO
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A fair few if these lads playing are squad players, fillers to inect pace off the bench late on, Bastien, Vitinho, Benson are all gonna be warming the bench when we get Twine fit, Churlinov in, add to that hopefully a centre half, creative midfielder and striker. That's 5 players which will turn this side around and just give us that added extra needed to turn these games into wins and really make the most of our possession
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I do
Spend too much time playing it too slowly from the back allowing the opposition to flood the middle two thirds of the pitch and strangle us which is why the stats show lots of possession but little end product-time will tell
By pedestrian I mean
to be drab or dull, as if plodding along rather than speeding.
When we did speed it up we scored as they did
Anyway time will tell but Luton Watford and Hull didn't give us the space Huddersfield did and it slowed us down IMO
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Great post!Flying Without Ings wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:00 amDespite the last 2 or 3 results which we perhaps thought we would have achieved better after Huddersfield, there's clearly a lot to be encouraged about. It's a team full of talented players but most of them are new and adjusting. It'll click eventually, and with the help of a couple more incomings I'm absolutely sure we'll be up in the top 6 region. Rather than jumping on the first poor performance of a player or finding a new scapegoat, why not encompass some patience?
Also very encouraged by what I’m seeing and excited / intrigued for more.
As soon as the final whistle went I was already buzzing for Saturday!
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I wasn't, but then that was because I cant go due to a wedding invitation
Expect i will miss a cracker of a game
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I'm reminded a little bit of when Leicester were rooted down at the bottom of the table, not long before that infamous game at Turf Moor and Pearson was saying it's incredible they were in that position given their performances (or something to that effect). I wasn't paying much attention to Leicester and the way they played, dismissed Pearson's statement as almost delusional (more fool me).
Then the rocket pack was strapped to that team's back and off they went.
Then the rocket pack was strapped to that team's back and off they went.
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I'm 50/50 to be honest at the minute. I think I like the new style, even the keeper fannying around with it. Young players, a way of playing, lots of possession.
But then occasionally, for a few minutes last night, I thought is this an Emperors new clothes type situation, because I'm actually a bit bored. Plenty of time to found out which it is yet.
But then occasionally, for a few minutes last night, I thought is this an Emperors new clothes type situation, because I'm actually a bit bored. Plenty of time to found out which it is yet.
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Players still getting used to it which is understandable.
Far too many times last night they played the slow backwards or across pass when if they’d have taken a split second to look then there was a far better option available.
Hopefully that’ll come, the Huddersfield game massively increased all our expectations
Far too many times last night they played the slow backwards or across pass when if they’d have taken a split second to look then there was a far better option available.
Hopefully that’ll come, the Huddersfield game massively increased all our expectations
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The late, great Colin Bell once said that when a new signing joins the team, it can take up to 15-20 games for him to totally blend into the team and become totally familiar with how they play…that’s one player.
Give it time…then good things will happen. Absolutely pointless jumping on a player’s back after so few games.
Give it time…then good things will happen. Absolutely pointless jumping on a player’s back after so few games.
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The one problem with players taking time to get used to a new system is that by the time they do then this season might be written off.
Come the summer, then one or two may be sold or moved on for a small profit if they play well (due to our business model) and we have to start again with a new set of recruits.
And they take time next season to get used to the new system.
We never actually see the playing style come to fruition as we are always waiting for new players to bed in.
Come the summer, then one or two may be sold or moved on for a small profit if they play well (due to our business model) and we have to start again with a new set of recruits.
And they take time next season to get used to the new system.
We never actually see the playing style come to fruition as we are always waiting for new players to bed in.
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It’s a fair comment and with three loan players (arguably in our strongest eleven). One or two player sales suddenly becomes 5 new starting eleven players required.Spijed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:34 amThe one problem with players taking time to get used to a new system is that by the time they do then this season might be written off.
Come the summer, then one or two may be sold or moved on for a small profit if they play well (due to our business model) and we have to start again with a new set of recruits.
And they take time next season to get used to the new system.
We never actually see the playing style come to fruition as we are always waiting for new players to bed in.
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So what’s the alternative?Spijed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:34 amThe one problem with players taking time to get used to a new system is that by the time they do then this season might be written off.
Come the summer, then one or two may be sold or moved on for a small profit if they play well (due to our business model) and we have to start again with a new set of recruits.
And they take time next season to get used to the new system.
We never actually see the playing style come to fruition as we are always waiting for new players to bed in.
Are you suggesting that it’s unreasonable for players to get used to the new system? Perhaps Kompany should have stuck with the old system? If he did, would it not take new players time to get used to it anyway and weren’t a lot of our fans bored of that system? Or maybe we should have stuck with the old players and the old system? If we did that, how would it solve the issues we were having with an ageing squad and our debt?
Have some ******* patience. It’s been FOUR games. We’ve taken on an entirely new coaching staff, signed 12 players and also begun to blood a member of the youth team. Despite that, the signs are there that we’re headed in the right direction. They’ve gelled quickly in some respects.
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Kompany said in his pre match presser that the aim is to be in and around the play offs when the World Cup break happens, which will then give a month together on the training pitch to really get the system engrained into the squad. He commented that we don’t have 2-3 years for them to grasp it and it’s more 2-3 months.Spijed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:34 amThe one problem with players taking time to get used to a new system is that by the time they do then this season might be written off.
Come the summer, then one or two may be sold or moved on for a small profit if they play well (due to our business model) and we have to start again with a new set of recruits.
And they take time next season to get used to the new system.
We never actually see the playing style come to fruition as we are always waiting for new players to bed in.
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I am loving the style of football, and I think the frustration from us Burnley fans is we are not used to having so much possession, and in turn fell we should be putting the opposition team to the sword. It isn't going to happen as such an early stage of group mentality , and I think you could see last night, teams will set up to defend against us by filling the midfield with bodies knowing we do not posses great height in attack so we have to work through the middle, or low cross in the box like we did last night. However, it will click and someone is going to be on the end of an absolute pasting. UTC
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When we used to sign players on loan with the purpose of them being back up rather than starters it was criticised and were often told we need to make better use of the loan market like all other clubs do.
Now we had 2 loan signings starting last night it is seemed as a negative, it is almost like people search for a whinge.
Fans are going to have to have some patience rather than knee jerk reactions when we don't win. We heard all last season how this is going to be a huge re-building job bordering almost impossible to do, yet when we don't win a game in the very early stages of this re-build we head towards a meltdown.
Now we had 2 loan signings starting last night it is seemed as a negative, it is almost like people search for a whinge.
Fans are going to have to have some patience rather than knee jerk reactions when we don't win. We heard all last season how this is going to be a huge re-building job bordering almost impossible to do, yet when we don't win a game in the very early stages of this re-build we head towards a meltdown.
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Excellent in possession again just lacked that final ball. It’s encouraging though to see us dominate so much. It’s virtually a whole new team so patience will be required by everyone. It’ll come I’m sure. Harwood -Bellis was outstanding.
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Anyone who's disappointed with our style of play must dislike football.
The whole team has basically been rebuilt in a few months (still a work in process) and a whole new attracting style has been introduced.
We created plenty of chances yesterday to kill them off, and they produced nothing but a lucky goal stemming from a blind clearance and a misunderstanding between our 2 centre backs.
I'm loving the entertainment and the style, even though we are sometimes one on one at the back during quick counters. I still think a quicker and stronger CM player next to Cullen is required to complete our midfield.
I was critical for Benson, as I think he needs to do better with his end product. He'll get there eventually but this may indeed take some time. Tella looks a real prospect though.
Onwards & upwards
The whole team has basically been rebuilt in a few months (still a work in process) and a whole new attracting style has been introduced.
We created plenty of chances yesterday to kill them off, and they produced nothing but a lucky goal stemming from a blind clearance and a misunderstanding between our 2 centre backs.
I'm loving the entertainment and the style, even though we are sometimes one on one at the back during quick counters. I still think a quicker and stronger CM player next to Cullen is required to complete our midfield.
I was critical for Benson, as I think he needs to do better with his end product. He'll get there eventually but this may indeed take some time. Tella looks a real prospect though.
Onwards & upwards
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Honestly I could watch football like that all night. I was a massive Dyche fan and will always be grateful for everything he did for the club, but the way Kompany has got us playing in such a short space of time is brilliant. I think we are two players away from being on a different level to every other team in the championship and best of all I believe we already have one of those players in Twine.
Ive been watching the clarets since 85 and feel really relaxed about how we are passing the ball about. Even Muric doesnt give me the jeepers , the constant instant playing the ball back into play is really refreshing.
The goals will come, and I think we will see very diffent games if we go in front. These sides will then have to open up a little as clearly sides are setting up to frustrate at the moment. I would like to think that Kompany is giving a bit of grief to the officials as well, as teams are setting out to disrupt by whatever means (often illegal).
Anyway, all will come out in the wash but strap in , I for one am really enjoying it. UTC
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Jay Rod started his first game of the season , slotted into the new system very well and looked like he could score freely at this level.
There were other encouraging signs but I thought I would mention that
There were other encouraging signs but I thought I would mention that
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Maatsen will bag a load of assists in this league.
One of those games that on another day we win comfortably, and continue playing in this vein and the wins will come.
I'm impressed how quickly VK has got them ingrained into this new style, and it's pleasing to see us keeping it on the floor much more.
We could easily be sat on 12 points right now.
Huddersfield dominated the 1st half, and could have scored 3 or 4.
Luton after the nervy first 20, we again dominated the play, just lacked that bit of quality to unlock their packed defence.
Watford poor 1st half admittedly, but apart from their goal, and one other chance Watford also created nothing, 2nd half we bossed the game, and their keeper won them the points.
Hull another game were we made all the running, sadly a poor defensive error cost us, but we responded with a fine equaliser, and 2nd half only one team looked like taking the 3 points.
Now I'm not saying things are perfect, but there's plenty to be hopeful about as the season progresses.
Keep the faith.
One of those games that on another day we win comfortably, and continue playing in this vein and the wins will come.
I'm impressed how quickly VK has got them ingrained into this new style, and it's pleasing to see us keeping it on the floor much more.
We could easily be sat on 12 points right now.
Huddersfield dominated the 1st half, and could have scored 3 or 4.
Luton after the nervy first 20, we again dominated the play, just lacked that bit of quality to unlock their packed defence.
Watford poor 1st half admittedly, but apart from their goal, and one other chance Watford also created nothing, 2nd half we bossed the game, and their keeper won them the points.
Hull another game were we made all the running, sadly a poor defensive error cost us, but we responded with a fine equaliser, and 2nd half only one team looked like taking the 3 points.
Now I'm not saying things are perfect, but there's plenty to be hopeful about as the season progresses.
Keep the faith.
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I really like our style of play - there were occasions where we were a little ponderous last night but we can work on that. It’s about finding the right blend. Some people need to understand the magnitude of the change we’ve had to oversee both in terms of personnel and style. One big positive from last night was that we did create chances - Benson, Jay and Vitninho could all have arguably added to the tally.
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Brownhill too from Jay’s lay off, had to go across goalSwizzlestick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:14 amI really like our style of play - there were occasions where we were a little ponderous last night but we can work on that. It’s about finding the right blend. Some people need to understand the magnitude of the change we’ve had to oversee both in terms of personnel and style. One big positive from last night was that we did create chances - Benson, Jay and Vitninho could all have arguably added to the tally.
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Unfortunately some people can’t understand the magnitude of the changeSwizzlestick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:14 amI really like our style of play - there were occasions where we were a little ponderous last night but we can work on that. It’s about finding the right blend. Some people need to understand the magnitude of the change we’ve had to oversee both in terms of personnel and style. One big positive from last night was that we did create chances - Benson, Jay and Vitninho could all have arguably added to the tally.
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I hope your right. The team will come together and the posession stats are incredible. I keep thinking though what Corent might have achieved in this division in this team.mybloodisclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:11 amTwine will go nuts in this team. I know it is a step up, but he will score for fun.
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I 100% agree, very, very encouraging.
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I fear Cornet may get limited opportunities in the PL with WHU. He wont be allowed a bad game like he was with us.Suspect McNeil is in the same situation. Sadly had we got Maxwell and played him every game this season then I suspect he would have scored one or two by now.Could have been perfect with this group
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When THB made that run in the second half culminating in Vitinho's chance. That was the time for me where I thought the players are starting to look more comfortable in this system. We are going to get loads of games like this, where the oppo just shut up shop. We need to break the lines by a CB running through, and also midfielders switching play more quickly.
I also think if we get Kouyate that will help massively to prevent conceding silly goals. Chasing the game doesn't really help our style when the players are learning the system.
I also think if we get Kouyate that will help massively to prevent conceding silly goals. Chasing the game doesn't really help our style when the players are learning the system.
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I’ve made a few comments in frustration after the game,but I’ve thought the game over and we are controlling these games from start to finish mostly-I think we really ain’t far off a good run results wise
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It’s really interesting to read so many differing perspectives on the start of the season and new style of play! I guess it depends on what style of footy you like and want to see each game?
One thing I do really like is that there appears to be a clear message, plan and vision being implemented across the whole club which can only be a good thing. It’s positive throughout so let’s go with it!
Ultimately, it’s a results business, so if and when we start winning lots of games, we will all be waxing lyrical on here of that I’m sure!
One thing I do really like is that there appears to be a clear message, plan and vision being implemented across the whole club which can only be a good thing. It’s positive throughout so let’s go with it!
Ultimately, it’s a results business, so if and when we start winning lots of games, we will all be waxing lyrical on here of that I’m sure!
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Work in progress, but like what I've seen so far. Anyone thinking that everything will click into place in the first few weeks with all the new faces etc is seriously deluded!
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We have 5 points on the board and no one is really running away with things. Also lots of teams capable of beating each other unlike the PL, so maybe the points required to go up are not set ridiculously high.
Think this is a good test for VK and the coaches-what they have seen, learned about system and players, and now knowing what the missing pieces are. LOts to be positive about. Just two concerns for me-much of a similarity between Vithinho, Benson, Tella. Also we need to sort out the CH pairing quickly, and VK is no mug, he will have seen it
Think this is a good test for VK and the coaches-what they have seen, learned about system and players, and now knowing what the missing pieces are. LOts to be positive about. Just two concerns for me-much of a similarity between Vithinho, Benson, Tella. Also we need to sort out the CH pairing quickly, and VK is no mug, he will have seen it
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I think the start to the season has to be looked at bearing in mind who we've played. Huddersfield may struggle but reached the play offs last season, Luton were in the play-offs last season and Watford and Hull both looked well equipped to be in the play-off mix if not higher. They've been decent tests of where we are and generally, we've done OK. I also thought we looked more cohesive yesterday with Jay up front and linking nicely with Cullen and Cork in particular. All of this will take time and we'll use the ball quicker and more incisively the more used the players get to each other and the set up.
That being said, I think the system feels slightly over-thought currently and what surprised me, given the style we're adopting (this was my first game in person this season) was how rigid we were. Roberts was rigidly tucking in as the third centre back - he didn't try and get down the wing once. Vitinho played rigidly as an outside right all game - it might have been worth swapping him and Bastien at some point but we didn't try it. Brownhill and Bastien didn't drift wide to stretch Hull as much as I expected and only Brownhill ever really tried to get beyond Rodriguez.
Particularly with Jay dropping deep to link play, at times we had 4 central midfielders, and Rodriguez, all inside the centre circle, and Vitinho staying high and wide. What we needed was someone making out-to-in runs in behind the back four, with Brownhill and Bastien pulling wider to compensate, make the pitch big and make angles to move Hull's defenders around. Tella might do that job in time, and so might Benson, but as of yet we've seen very little of it. Vitinho tried a few times but it's obviously not natural to him - particularly not on the right where you could see his instinct was to go on the outside.
When we did make the pitch big - usually via Maatsen but occasionally via the wide players - we obviously didn't move the ball quickly enough. The centre backs in particular need to be willing to put a raking cross field pass in of the sort Tarkowski used to do, and which Marney often did for Trippier when he was in the sort of acres Maatsen was in last night. It may be that THB isn't confident in that skill, but I'd like to see him try, and I'd also like to see Cullen demonstrate it's in his skill set - he didn't do it once last night.
I think at times we might be better if (at least occasionally) Cork dropped in to make the back 3 and allowed Roberts to mirror Maatsen on the other side (I suspect VK wants Roberts' pace to deal with the counter but that's a chance we might need to take). That would allow Bastien or Brownhill to drop into a more orthodox midfield position and allow the second striker to focus on threatening the space behind Jay a bit more rather than providing width on the right.
But the other thing that will need to be resolved is that if we keep allowing ourselves to be so open to the counter-attack, we're going to keep conceding cheap goals and making life hard for ourselves. Being 3 v 3 on our half way line whenever we lose the ball and cannot recover it immediately does not have a future in the Championship and last night it was obvious that Hull's tactics (generally, and executed perfectly for the goal) were to adopt a back 7 around their own box and leave 3 powerful athletes up top and get them to chase balls over the top. Not every team will have the athleticism to make that work that Hull had, but too many will for us to ignore the problem.
That being said, I think the system feels slightly over-thought currently and what surprised me, given the style we're adopting (this was my first game in person this season) was how rigid we were. Roberts was rigidly tucking in as the third centre back - he didn't try and get down the wing once. Vitinho played rigidly as an outside right all game - it might have been worth swapping him and Bastien at some point but we didn't try it. Brownhill and Bastien didn't drift wide to stretch Hull as much as I expected and only Brownhill ever really tried to get beyond Rodriguez.
Particularly with Jay dropping deep to link play, at times we had 4 central midfielders, and Rodriguez, all inside the centre circle, and Vitinho staying high and wide. What we needed was someone making out-to-in runs in behind the back four, with Brownhill and Bastien pulling wider to compensate, make the pitch big and make angles to move Hull's defenders around. Tella might do that job in time, and so might Benson, but as of yet we've seen very little of it. Vitinho tried a few times but it's obviously not natural to him - particularly not on the right where you could see his instinct was to go on the outside.
When we did make the pitch big - usually via Maatsen but occasionally via the wide players - we obviously didn't move the ball quickly enough. The centre backs in particular need to be willing to put a raking cross field pass in of the sort Tarkowski used to do, and which Marney often did for Trippier when he was in the sort of acres Maatsen was in last night. It may be that THB isn't confident in that skill, but I'd like to see him try, and I'd also like to see Cullen demonstrate it's in his skill set - he didn't do it once last night.
I think at times we might be better if (at least occasionally) Cork dropped in to make the back 3 and allowed Roberts to mirror Maatsen on the other side (I suspect VK wants Roberts' pace to deal with the counter but that's a chance we might need to take). That would allow Bastien or Brownhill to drop into a more orthodox midfield position and allow the second striker to focus on threatening the space behind Jay a bit more rather than providing width on the right.
But the other thing that will need to be resolved is that if we keep allowing ourselves to be so open to the counter-attack, we're going to keep conceding cheap goals and making life hard for ourselves. Being 3 v 3 on our half way line whenever we lose the ball and cannot recover it immediately does not have a future in the Championship and last night it was obvious that Hull's tactics (generally, and executed perfectly for the goal) were to adopt a back 7 around their own box and leave 3 powerful athletes up top and get them to chase balls over the top. Not every team will have the athleticism to make that work that Hull had, but too many will for us to ignore the problem.
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Re: Encouraging Signs
Roberts has pace?claretspice wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:17 pmI think the start to the season has to be looked at bearing in mind who we've played. Huddersfield may struggle but reached the play offs last season, Luton were in the play-offs last season and Watford and Hull both looked well equipped to be in the play-off mix if not higher. They've been decent tests of where we are and generally, we've done OK. I also thought we looked more cohesive yesterday with Jay up front and linking nicely with Cullen and Cork in particular. All of this will take time and we'll use the ball quicker and more incisively the more used the players get to each other and the set up.
That being said, I think the system feels slightly over-thought currently and what surprised me, given the style we're adopting (this was my first game in person this season) was how rigid we were. Roberts was rigidly tucking in as the third centre back - he didn't try and get down the wing once. Vitinho played rigidly as an outside right all game - it might have been worth swapping him and Bastien at some point but we didn't try it. Brownhill and Bastien didn't drift wide to stretch Hull as much as I expected and only Brownhill ever really tried to get beyond Rodriguez.
Particularly with Jay dropping deep to link play, at times we had 4 central midfielders, and Rodriguez, all inside the centre circle, and Vitinho staying high and wide. What we needed was someone making out-to-in runs in behind the back four, with Brownhill and Bastien pulling wider to compensate, make the pitch big and make angles to move Hull's defenders around. Tella might do that job in time, and so might Benson, but as of yet we've seen very little of it. Vitinho tried a few times but it's obviously not natural to him - particularly not on the right where you could see his instinct was to go on the outside.
When we did make the pitch big - usually via Maatsen but occasionally via the wide players - we obviously didn't move the ball quickly enough. The centre backs in particular need to be willing to put a raking cross field pass in of the sort Tarkowski used to do, and which Marney often did for Trippier when he was in the sort of acres Maatsen was in last night. It may be that THB isn't confident in that skill, but I'd like to see him try, and I'd also like to see Cullen demonstrate it's in his skill set - he didn't do it once last night.
I think at times we might be better if (at least occasionally) Cork dropped in to make the back 3 and allowed Roberts to mirror Maatsen on the other side (I suspect VK wants Roberts' pace to deal with the counter but that's a chance we might need to take). That would allow Bastien or Brownhill to drop into a more orthodox midfield position and allow the second striker to focus on threatening the space behind Jay a bit more rather than providing width on the right.
But the other thing that will need to be resolved is that if we keep allowing ourselves to be so open to the counter-attack, we're going to keep conceding cheap goals and making life hard for ourselves. Being 3 v 3 on our half way line whenever we lose the ball and cannot recover it immediately does not have a future in the Championship and last night it was obvious that Hull's tactics (generally, and executed perfectly for the goal) were to adopt a back 7 around their own box and leave 3 powerful athletes up top and get them to chase balls over the top. Not every team will have the athleticism to make that work that Hull had, but too many will for us to ignore the problem.
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Re: Encouraging Signs
More than Cork does, or Cullen does. And more than Lowton does, which is why I think Lowton is being overlooked (despite the fact that in other respects he appears more suited to playing as a third centre back than Roberts is). He's not out and out quick for sure, but he's quick enough.
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Hm, not for me. I think he flatters to deceive. Has some nice touches around oppo box but thats not enough in the position he plays.
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Some fans seem to have it in for Roberts. He has not been brilliant in all games since his debut at the Emirates, however I have seen enough in our colours and in playing for Wales to know we have a very good full back.Lets not forget we paid under £2m so lets not expect a Chilwell or a Robertson
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Wales maybe, not for us. Dare I say it, I think Lowton would be a better fit, not that I expect him to get a look in. Actually, the position Roberts taking up seems ideal for Egan-Riley and would like to see him in there.warksclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:33 pmSome fans seem to have it in for Roberts. He has not been brilliant in all games since his debut at the Emirates, however I have seen enough in our colours and in playing for Wales to know we have a very good full back.Lets not forget we paid under £2m so lets not expect a Chilwell or a Robertson
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It seems ( and I could be wrong) that the majority of the the glass half empty brigade are still in mourning for yesteryear with the Messiah still in charge. Don't get me wrong I absolutely loved the majority of his time at the club and the legacy he's left behind can't be questioned nor should it be either. But I just get the feeling reading the posts that some are looking to applaud failure at no matter what cost , and thats a real shame.
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Very encouraging
Deserved our win at Huddersfield
Deserved a win against Luton
Deserved at least a point at Watford
Absolutely battered Hull last night and missed at least 2 shouldascoreds
Needs some tinkering, but there's more to come and I'm really enjoying it
Deserved our win at Huddersfield
Deserved a win against Luton
Deserved at least a point at Watford
Absolutely battered Hull last night and missed at least 2 shouldascoreds
Needs some tinkering, but there's more to come and I'm really enjoying it