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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:59 pm

taio wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:53 pm
I think it's best to assume someone isn't a racist unless they prove otherwise.
A very brave assumption, I'd like to think you're right.....

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Milltown1882 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:58 pm
Very interesting that the press conference is still available on Clarets+ but that question has now been removed.
Was always going to happen. Who’s head of communications now? Has Jonathan left?

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by taio » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:01 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:59 pm
A very brave assumption, I'd like to think you're right.....
Id say fair rather than brave

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:01 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:00 pm
Was always going to happen. Who’s head of communications now? Has Jonathan left?
Not aware of anyone having replaced Jonathon Swift as yet.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:04 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:58 pm
This is what identity politics and bullshit divisive media has created.

Phil probably felt the need to ask that from some crap thought he had because of some of the dross that’s come on our airwaves over the past few years subconsciously influencing him - guaranteed he thought that he was gonna be ‘inclusive’ or whatever for his great question.

It creates this weird ‘treading on eggshell’ environment and is quite frankly insulting to Vincent.

Any deliberate treatment to an individual that differentiates based on things outside of their own behaviour is just discriminatory, full stop.

We have to leave this behind and to quote a famous Dr ‘to judge people not by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character’.

We could have a full team and back room staff entirely from Burnley or Mozambique; as long as they gave their all for Burnley I’d support them either way.

UTC
I cannot think of any scenario where that question needed to be asked at that time.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Milltown1882 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:01 pm
Not aware of anyone having replaced Jonathon Swift as yet.
Haven’t spoken to him for a year or so, didn’t even realise he’d left until you mentioned it earlier.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:10 pm

JLR81 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:21 pm
Coincidentally during the Hull City commentary he said he "gets confused" between Ian Maatsen and Samuel Bastien, because it's "all new to me".
I don't recall him getting confused between Jack Cork and Ashley Westwood.
And now he asks this question to our manager.
Why bring race into anything these days? It shouldn't be recognised, let alone referenced in any environment.
If I asked my boss that question, I'd be in front of HR.
It might be different if this was raised during a wider feature of managers in football during Black History Month or Kick it Out, for example.
Our club has had an image problem for years due to the mainly white British recruitment. I can't be the only fan that got sick of the "Brexit FC" jibes.
Now we've started a new, exciting era and this happens.
Maybe he's not racist, I don't know the guy. But he is at least, deeply ignorant.
This guy is out of date and out of touch, and I'd like him out of our club.
Did Cork and Westwood ever play in a team with so many new faces though? Had it been Cullen and THB there'd be no issue.

Like the VK question, i'd say clumsy rather than malicious.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by burnleymik » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:11 pm

They were very quick on the removal of the YouTube video and the other social media posts, so someone quickly made the call.

At least they haven't removed the whole thing if it is back on the Clarets + streams, but it shows that they were not aware of what Phil was going to ask (hence he wasn't prompted), especially if it is just that question that was edited out.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:15 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:07 pm
Haven’t spoken to him for a year or so, didn’t even realise he’d left until you mentioned it earlier.
I’ve not really had much dealing with him but had an exchange of emails when he first joined and he came across well.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Swizzlestick » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:18 pm

Silly question that shouldn’t have been asked, but people demanding somebody should lose their livelihood over a mistake - get a grip.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Milltown1882 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:15 pm
I’ve not really had much dealing with him but had an exchange of emails when he first joined and he came across well.
I went to Uni with him, the only dealings I had with him after that were when I was at Stanley but he’s a good guy. He has a good track record at the clubs he’s been at so I’m surprised he’s gone.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:23 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:18 pm
Silly question that shouldn’t have been asked, but people demanding somebody should lose their livelihood over a mistake - get a grip.
Tell David Lloyd that

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by JohnMcGreal » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:25 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:58 pm
This is what identity politics and bullshit divisive media has created.

Phil probably felt the need to ask that from some crap thought he had because of some of the dross that’s come on our airwaves over the past few years subconsciously influencing him - guaranteed he thought that he was gonna be ‘inclusive’ or whatever for his great question.
Kompany has been the Burnley manager for 2 months and must have given interviews and pressers to dozens of reporters in that time. How come nobody else 'felt the need' to ask such a stupid and irrelevant question? Why was no other interviewer 'subconsciously influenced' the way you're convinced Phil Bird was?

I think he just had an absolute shocker and asked a ridiculous question. Not much more to it than that, but he should probably stick to commentating or whatever.

Edit - the surprising thing for me is that as an employee of the club Phil's questions weren't prepared and reviewed in advance. Presumably if he'd ran that past someone else at the club it would have rightly been shelved.
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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:29 pm

You don't have to be a racist to make careless comments about the colour of someone's skin,
but it was a really embarassing question to ask the manager, and totally out of context with the press conference.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:31 pm

Has this caught on in the wider world of the internet, or just isolated to us because it was on Clarets Player?

You can see why it's been removed. Not the worst thing to ask, and doesn't suggest Bird is racist, just a poorly timed and irrelevant question.

Hopefully nothing sinister happens to him in terms of his job, although he is one of the last remaining "faces" at the club still there since the take over.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Milltown1882 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:35 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:31 pm
Has this caught on in the wider world of the internet, or just isolated to us because it was on Clarets Player?

You can see why it's been removed. Not the worst thing to ask, and doesn't suggest Bird is racist, just a poorly timed and irrelevant question.

Hopefully nothing sinister happens to him in terms of his job, although he is one of the last remaining "faces" at the club still there since the take over.
Just our fanbase by the looks of it across socials but obviously he’s now getting trial by social media. We all admit it was a poor question to ask but he doesn’t deserve the vitriol at all.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by fatboy47 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:36 pm

Racist?? Which bit?

Gormless? Naff? Clumsy? Embarrassing?... Yes, all of that, but let's not react as though he'd been chucking banana skins around.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:39 pm

If anyone is looking for a stick to hit him with Phil Bird's comment about Maatsen and Bastien is far worse.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:43 pm

I suspect it was an ill-thought-out attempt to counter the recent attacks on the club (as racist). By the reaction I think we can call it ‘I’ll advised’.

So cannot comment on your ref, sorry boatshed bill

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by BurnleyFC » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:45 pm

It was an idiotic question, but, the Twitter mob trying to take the moral high ground and demanding that he loses his job are the worst of the worst.

Internet bullies who wouldn’t say boo to a goose in real life.
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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Swizzlestick » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:46 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:23 pm
Tell David Lloyd that
The posh gym?

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:47 pm

NRC wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:33 pm
it really doesn't matter. It could have been a brain-fart, ill-considered, good-intentioned (to bring out pride) or deliberately more provocative, but either way it has no relevance whatsoever. There is simply no basis to have asked it and there is no "excuse" response to be given
Yes I can accept that no response needs to be given but please in future can you quote everything not just a selective part of someone’s comment. I think it’s important that the full context be considered even if you don’t. Thank you in advance

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by claretlife » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:50 pm

It was a crass question and completely uncalled for. It can’t have been ‘off the cuff’ as surely Phil has his questions pre-prepared. Can you honestly imagine asking (or even thinking to ask) that question to a colleague or interviewee at work? Completely unnecessary and embarrassing too

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:51 pm

Hope they get rid of him cos if I have to watch most of out games through Clarets+ this season it'd be good to have a decent commentator as he's absolutely garbage

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:52 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:39 pm
How do we know he's not a racist?
You really don’t get this do you?
There is real racism and then there is a dangerous sector of society who cry racism or suggest racism when it’s not there. Like you as a matter of fact

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Sproggy » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:56 pm

Here's Patrick Viera talking about the lack of black managers in the Prem.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.london ... 7358%3famp

There is an interesting discussion to be had around the topic especially given our club's reputation (deserved or not). It's not that long ago that Darren Bent tweeted that it wasn't a surprise that the banner was flown over the Etihad because we had no black players in our team.

There's a lot of ignorance out there about Burnley.

It was a weird question to ask at a pre-match presser though.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:00 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:52 pm
You really don’t get this do you?
There is real racism and then there is a dangerous sector of society who cry racism or suggest racism when it’s not there. Like you as a matter of fact
Yep they are the kind of people who bring up race at every opportunity when there is just no need. I saw a press conference recently and some wally started going on about someone being black for no reason whatsoever. Its no wonder our society is obsessed when these idiots keep banging on about it.
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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by shulgin » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:20 pm

Very odd question. Another could have been "what's it like to be Burnleys first Belgian manager?" That wouldn't have raised an eyebrow.

That said, daft question and absolutely pointless. VK is the boss, I'm not sure anybody else has made any issue of his heritage and the stereotype that surrounds the town and nor should there be.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:22 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:25 pm
Kompany has been the Burnley manager for 2 months and must have given interviews and pressers to dozens of reporters in that time. How come nobody else 'felt the need' to ask such a stupid and irrelevant question? Why was no other interviewer 'subconsciously influenced' the way you're convinced Phil Bird was?

I think he just had an absolute shocker and asked a ridiculous question. Not much more to it than that, but he should probably stick to commentating or whatever.

Edit - the surprising thing for me is that as an employee of the club Phil's questions weren't prepared and reviewed in advance. Presumably if he'd ran that past someone else at the club it would have rightly been shelved.
I’m not fully convinced of anything I’m just giving a suggestion and sort of blathered on- but I can definitely say that I’ve seen this sort of thing happen.

You’re probably right in that he had an absolute shocker but there’ll still be something in there that caused his brain to come up with something like that.

Anyway I wouldn’t want to see Phil lose his job for something like that deary me.

Made a mistake, hopefully both he and the club learns from it (no off the cuff random questions not pertaining to the topic at hand) or whatever

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:23 pm

Oh my goodness me! That's the entire press box on one knee on Saturday now.

What a world, what a world.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by CFS » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:42 pm

I have the second the guy who mentioned the commentary where he said it's all new this to me in regards to getting maatsen and Bastien mixed up.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:48 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:52 pm
You really don’t get this do you?
There is real racism and then there is a dangerous sector of society who cry racism or suggest racism when it’s not there. Like you as a matter of fact
The people who do that are more dangerous than the real racists & we've got them on here, some people aren't happy unless some sort of trouble is present & when it's not it'll be created.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Jellybean » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:58 pm

I fear that Phil will be put out to pasture now because of this. Ridiculous.

I've said in another post but all we've heard full social media, footballers and the media over the last 2 years is about race and promoting equality. Burnley now have a black manager, many people have been hell bent on focusing purely on skin colour, so surely it's a question of interest to many who have supported BLM? A black man getting a high profile job, how does he feel about it.
How is Phil being clumsy or racist when so much focus has been put on immutable characteristics.

What a shame we can't just be colourblind and race not even come into any discussions, but it's been such a big agenda across the media for 2 years it seems ironic that people are saying he shouldn't be mentioning skin colour!

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Somethingfishy » Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:21 pm

I'll be happy to hang my hat on Phil Bird not being a racist. Having seen many of his tweets over the years I would consider him to have quite left wing views.
I would go as far as saying he is almost certainly quite anti-racist and the question will have come from that angle. "It's Burnley..but you are Black!" kind of thing.
Totally wrong to ask and what it does emphasise is that many so called anti-racists are so obsessed with their cause that they see colour in everything when many of us just see another human being. In that sense I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. A ridiculous question to ask.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:45 pm

Im not sure if the last two posts are meant to be supporting Phil Bird or digging him out.

If they are supporting him then im not sure banging on about how people should be colourblind or moaning about people who see colour in everything is the best tack when its Phil Bird himself who has brought someone's colour into the conversation when there was no need
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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Nori1958 » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:18 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:52 pm
You really don’t get this do you?
There is real racism and then there is a dangerous sector of society who cry racism or suggest racism when it’s not there. Like you as a matter of fact
It was you who mentioned it..... I'd just said it was a weird comment

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Teddy » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:35 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:52 pm
You really don’t get this do you?
There is real racism and then there is a dangerous sector of society who cry racism or suggest racism when it’s not there. Like you as a matter of fact
Oh give it a rest Elizabeth! I don’t post often, and just enjoy reading the threads for info and opinions, but your posts really stand out as incredibly tedious.
Each post is either a negative statement, picking someone up on something with little reason, or getting the completely wrong end of the stick and then being defensive when caught out.
Must be exhausting being like you
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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Guitargeorge » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:43 am

Forgetting the daft or naive question, I was trying to analyse what VK was saying about certain subjects and I was confused by the answers in most cases. He has a way of saying a lot whilst not saying much, and it’s definitely not a language issue, because he has a very good command of our language.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by deanothedino » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:03 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:31 pm
Has this caught on in the wider world of the internet, or just isolated to us because it was on Clarets Player?

You can see why it's been removed. Not the worst thing to ask, and doesn't suggest Bird is racist, just a poorly timed and irrelevant question.

Hopefully nothing sinister happens to him in terms of his job, although he is one of the last remaining "faces" at the club still there since the take over.
I’m not sure why everyone assumes the question was of his choosing. Don’t most presenters get given a script to work off?

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Nori1958 » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:07 am

deanothedino wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:03 am
I’m not sure why everyone assumes the question was of his choosing. Don’t most presenters get given a script to work off?
Everyone at the presser is representing either a newspaper or TV company. I can only guess that Mr Bird was there on behalf of the football club
If the club had given him a script to work off, why would they then delete all references to that question being asked, if it was part of that script?

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by deanothedino » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:11 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:07 am
Everyone at the presser is representing either a newspaper or TV company. I can only guess that Mr Bird was there on behalf of the football club
If the club had given him a script to work off, why would they then delete all references to that question being asked, if it was part of that script?
Well as he is their commentator/presenter/programme contributor and doesn’t work for an outlet I’d say he’s there for the club, yeah.

Can’t it still be the case the club have decided it was a daft question to ask after the fact and then deleted it?

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by deanothedino » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:30 am

Milltown1882 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:18 pm
I went to Uni with him, the only dealings I had with him after that were when I was at Stanley but he’s a good guy. He has a good track record at the clubs he’s been at so I’m surprised he’s gone.
He averages less than 2 years per job, I wouldn't say it's a surprise.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by gtclaret » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:16 am

Would this hysterical reaction have taken place if a black interviewer had asked that question?

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by gtclaret » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:20 am

Will Ian Wright be taken off air for complaining about the lack of black managers, or Alex Scott for commenting about the lack of black players in the England women's team??

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:22 am

Has there really been a hysterical reaction?

Most people just seem to think it was just a bit odd from what I can see.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by Nori1958 » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:24 am

gtclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:16 am
Would this hysterical reaction have taken place if a black interviewer had asked that question?
I would hope so, had it been asked in the same circumstances, in a press conference about an up and coming game

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by deanothedino » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:29 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:24 am
I would hope so, had it been asked in the same circumstances, in a press conference about an up and coming game
The day after the EFL do this... https://www.efl.com/news/2022/august/to ... -strategy/

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:30 am

gtclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:16 am
Would this hysterical reaction have taken place if a black interviewer had asked that question?
Perhaps, had the question been put to the first white manager?
But there's no hysteria, just surprise at the question and the timing of it.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:32 am

gtclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:20 am
Will Ian Wright be taken off air for complaining about the lack of black managers, or Alex Scott for commenting about the lack of black players in the England women's team??
No, because those are legitimate discussion points. And completely irrelevant to an odd and awkward question being asked in a press conference.

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Re: Clarets vs Blackpool pre match Presser.

Post by andyh » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:33 am

A very jarring question but i cannot believe the cancel culture on here.

This is someone’s livelihood. And some of you want him removed for asking a question which is not in itself a racist question. It is an irrelevant question. It did use the word black which some feel is no longer acceptable. But the question itself is not racist.

Cancel culture is damaging every field of life. It really is totally inappropriate… much more than the question was.

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