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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by clarethomer » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:00 pm

NRC wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:49 pm
we're going by birth country
Fair enough but Ash would represent Austria and there are examples I am sure within the list above where the nationality has come from country represented rather than born.

Here is an example.
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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Duffer_ » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:02 pm

Finland (Andy Payton) - a great Finnish-er

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by daveisaclaret » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:04 pm

Barnes isn't eligible to represent Austria, mostly because he is from Somerset.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:07 pm

Wasn't Drissa Dialo Mauritanian?

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by clarethomer » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:08 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:04 pm
Barnes isn't eligible to represent Austria, mostly because he is from Somerset.
I have just dug deeper and seen that he is ineligible to play for the senior Austrian side. That’s a reason not to add it on the list. Hadn’t realised that had happened even though he could have qualified through grandparents.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Foshiznik » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:13 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:00 pm
Fair enough but Ash would represent Austria and there are examples I am sure within the list above where the nationality has come from country represented rather than born.

Here is an example.

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Ireland AKA England reserves

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:16 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:07 pm
Wasn't Drissa Dialo Mauritanian?
If he was, I’ve got it wrong. I listed him as Guineau.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by timshorts » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:18 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:11 pm
Who the **** is Wood?
He was on the original list but then was disallowed for offside.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Duffer_ » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:19 pm

Lesotho

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by claretburns » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:27 pm

NRC wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:44 pm
so that's 41 countries so far. If I'm correct with 13 in our current squad, that's a whopping 32% of the total within one squad
8-)

Albania
Australia
Belgium
Bermuda
Brazil
Burma
Cameroon
Canada
Central African Republic
Cote D'Ivoire
Czech Republic
Denmark
Denmark
DR Congo
Ecuador
England
France
Germany
Greece
Guinea
Guyana
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Jamaica
Kosovo
N Ireland
Netherlands
New Zealand
Northern Macedonia
Norway
Peru
Republic of Ireland
Scotland
Slovakia
Sweden
Trinidad and Tobago
USA
Uzbekistan
Wales
Zimbabwe
Can include Nigeria as well.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Duffer_ » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:34 pm

claretburns wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:27 pm
Can include Nigeria as well.
And Lesotho

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Duffer_ » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:51 pm

NotASpoilsport wrote:Why Lesotho Duffer_?
Latcham and, maybe, Shannon.

No, wait, that's a 'Les or two'

Sorry, self imposed thread ban!

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by welsbyswife » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:10 pm
Added NZ just after I’d originally posted it. Was intended to go on with Australia.

I’ve not included such as Nigeria for Ade Akinbiyi. I know he played for them but he’s English.
But are we including Scott Arfield as an authentic Canadian? :D

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:13 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:16 pm
If he was, I’ve got it wrong. I listed him as Guineau.
Just looked it up. Born in Mauritania but played for Guinea. Not sure where that puts him on this list.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drissa_Diallo

Thought he'd played more than 14 times for us too.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:17 pm

welsbyswife wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:56 pm
But are we including Scott Arfield as an authentic Canadian? :D
I wouldn’t but there’s Edgar

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Middle-agedClaret » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:19 pm

Great thread - nice one, NRC.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:30 pm

Poland - Alex Cisak
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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Pickles » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:34 pm

Churlinov is the first Macedonian to play for us. But he almost wasn't...

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:38 pm

Pickles wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:34 pm
Churlinov is the first Macedonian to play for us. But he almost wasn't...
Didn't we almost sign the guy who played for West Brom who scored an unusual goal against England (direct from a corner?)

Was he Macedonian?
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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:38 pm

Pickles wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:34 pm
Churlinov is the first Macedonian to play for us. But he almost wasn't...
I’m assuming you mean Artim Šakiri who played for us in pre season 2005 but failed to get a work permit
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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:30 pm
Poland - Alex Cisak
Thank you. I knew there was a Pole but couldn’t name him.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by JR1882 » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:38 pm
I’m assuming you mean Artim Šakiri who played for us in pre season 2005 but failed to get a work permit
Didn’t he then get a work permit to play for West Brom?

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:03 pm

Robbie Blake was from another planet!

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Wile E Coyote » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:04 pm

Diego Penny's from heaven ...isnt he ?

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:05 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:41 pm
Thank you. I knew there was a Pole but couldn’t name him.
I had to check because I know he's part Australian but he was born in Poland

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:13 pm

JR1882 wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:56 pm
Didn’t he then get a work permit to play for West Brom?
Played for West Brom before that and they were able to get a work permit for him. I can't remember the details now but I suspect he had dropped off in terms of international calls by the time we had him on trial. I know we weren't confident in getting the work permit. Just checked, it was 2006 when we tried to sign him.

Found these quotes:

Steve Cotterill: “I don’t know what else we could have done. We just need a bit of luck at the moment.”

Bill McCartney, Senior Manager of Work Permits: “I am really sorry that the appeal for Artim Sakiri has been turned down. Whereas we don’t normally comment on these type of appeals, I felt that Steve Cotterill could not have done any more in putting forward Burnley Football Club’s case for appeal than he did.”

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by NRC » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:39 pm

So we need to take Guinea off but add Lesotho and Nigeria (who are the players?) Poland and Mauritania?

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:19 pm

NRC wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:39 pm
So we need to take Guinea off but add Lesotho and Nigeria (who are the players?) Poland and Mauritania?
Mo Camara is from Guineau

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by claretburns » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:38 pm

NRC wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:39 pm
So we need to take Guinea off but add Lesotho and Nigeria (who are the players?) Poland and Mauritania?
Dele Adebola for Nigeria.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:47 am

NRC wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:31 pm
I think I count thirteen different nationalities in the club.
Even with the historical lists that others have provided, I can only get eleven

Please can someone name the thirteen?

:?:

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:06 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:47 am
Even with the historical lists that others have provided, I can only get eleven

Please can someone name the thirteen?

:?:

I've got these 12

Belgium - Benson
Bermuda - Tucker
Brazil - Vitinho
DR Congo - Bastien
England - Barnes +++
Iceland - Guðmundsson
Ireland - McNally
Kosovo - Muric
Netherlands - Maatsen
N Ireland - Peacock-Farrell (although English born)
N Macedonia - Churlinov
Wales - Roberts
MODS - I didn't type the above list which is under my name :!:

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:07 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:47 am
Even with the historical lists that others have provided, I can only get eleven

Please can someone name the thirteen?

:?:
I've got these 12

Belgium - Benson
Bermuda - Tucker
Brazil - Vitinho
DR Congo - Bastien
England - Barnes +++
Iceland - Guðmundsson
Ireland - McNally
Kosovo - Muric
Netherlands - Maatsen
N Ireland - Peacock-Farrell (although English born)
N Macedonia - Churlinov
Wales - Roberts

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:39 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:07 am
I've got these 12

Belgium - Benson
Bermuda - Tucker
Brazil - Vitinho
DR Congo - Bastien
England - Barnes +++
Iceland - Guðmundsson
Ireland - McNally
Kosovo - Muric
Netherlands - Maatsen
N Ireland - Peacock-Farrell (although English born)
N Macedonia - Churlinov
Wales - Roberts
Thanks Tony. I thought I'd been hacked or something! :D

With regards to the list, I'd missed Tucker, but I can't think of a thirteenth.

Anyone else?

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by claretburns » Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:40 am

According to transfermarkt we have a Polish kid in our under 18s, Wiktor Gromek, not sure of the accuracy or if we can even count him due to not being near the first team at the moment.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:44 am

claretburns wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:40 am
According to transfermarkt we have a Polish kid in our under 18s, Wiktor Gromek, not sure of the accuracy or if we can even count him due to not being near the first team at the moment.
We signed Gromek from Leicester and he signed a scholarship last year but I didn't know he was Polish.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by claretburns » Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:49 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:44 am
We signed Gromek from Leicester and he signed a scholarship last year but I didn't know he was Polish.
It may be one of them where he was born in the UK but his parents or grandparents are Polish, cannot find information where he was born, rightly as he is under 18 but transfrmarket just lists his nationality as Polish.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:00 am

claretburns wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:49 am
It may be one of them where he was born in the UK but his parents or grandparents are Polish, cannot find information where he was born, rightly as he is under 18 but transfrmarket just lists his nationality as Polish.
The club have changed his first name a few times, seem to have struggled spelling it but I think it's Wiktor. I've just found something about him being called up for Poland at u15 level but it could be his family and he could be English born.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:15 pm

I’m not sure what number we got to in the end but according to Dave Roberts there’s 38 nationalities that have been represented
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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by NRC » Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:02 pm

I was including Ne-jai Tucker… Bermuda

With respect to Dave Roberts, good that he has this list and that he identifies 80 players that he doesn’t know about (and therefore how he knows there are eighty unknowns is beyond me), however I can’t for the life of me follow the logic of classifying by birth, except where he doesn’t, and classifies as country represented. You can’t have both unless they’re called out as such, and from the image above, they don’t look to be.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Aug 21, 2022 4:10 pm

If we're going by Country of birth, George Bellis, 86 League games between 1932-35, was born in India ...

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by NRC » Sun Aug 21, 2022 4:16 pm

Was he a citizen though? My daughter was born in the UAE, but she’s not a UAE citizen

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Aug 21, 2022 4:57 pm

NRC wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:02 pm
With respect to Dave Roberts, good that he has this list and that he identifies 80 players that he doesn’t know about (and therefore how he knows there are eighty unknowns is beyond me)
Not sure where you are coming from here. It reads to me that there are 80 known players that have no caps and he can’t find a birthplace. Therefore he can’t give them a nationality. Or am I missing something?
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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:11 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 4:57 pm
Not sure where you are coming from here. It reads to me that there are 80 known players that have no caps and he can’t find a birthplace. Therefore he can’t give them a nationality. Or am I missing something?
That’s how I’ve understood it as well.

Austria would be there if Barnes had played for them, but as he hasn’t he’s one of those under England whereas Duff, Paterson & BPF are all under Northern Ireland despite being England born

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:16 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:11 pm
That’s how I’ve understood it as well.

Austria would be there if Barnes had played for them, but as he hasn’t he’s one of those under England whereas Duff, Paterson & BPF are all under Northern Ireland despite being England born
Michael Duff was born in Belfast. That’s the reason he could play for Northern Ireland.
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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:16 pm
Michael Duff was born in Belfast. That’s the reason he could play for Northern Ireland.
My mistake on that, assumed he was born in Yorkshire for some reason, but point still stands with the others though

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:32 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:22 pm
My mistake on that, assumed he was born in Yorkshire for some reason, but point still stands with the others though
His parents are English but his dad was serving in the army in NI when Michael was born. His brother Shane was born in Cheltenham.
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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:05 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:22 pm
My mistake on that, assumed he was born in Yorkshire for some reason, but point still stands with the others though
I have also read he was born in Bedale, as was Simon Grayson.
I’ll trust CT though.

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Re: questions for the club historians

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:18 am

Might be able to add Italy to the list soon if this PSG keeper comes in and sees first team action at some point.

Edit - just seen the graphic above which shows we have previously had an Italian player. Who was that?

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