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Rumour has it Ange Postecoglu to Brighton should Potter take the Chelski job.
Now that would leave a spot open at Celtic, would that be a good job for Dyche or would the fans hate his style
Of play?
Now that would leave a spot open at Celtic, would that be a good job for Dyche or would the fans hate his style
Of play?
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I think it would make Celts support Rangers. Let’s face it Dyche was brilliant for us even though it all went a bit stale in the last couple of seasons but he is never going to get near a big club (and Celtic ARE a big club despite being Scottish). The entitled fans of the big clubs could never stomach having a manager with Dyches reputation. Maybe he deserves better but the fact is he is glacially slow to change when change is required and is far too loyal to under performing players.
I’d love to see him land a top job but it simply ain’t gonna happen.
I’d love to see him land a top job but it simply ain’t gonna happen.
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F***ing hate them.
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Delighted they got stuffed in the Champions League.
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Which style of play are we talking about?
The season we finished 7th whilst playing good, effective football or other seasons where we aren't doing much in the transfer window and he made do with what he had?
The season we finished 7th whilst playing good, effective football or other seasons where we aren't doing much in the transfer window and he made do with what he had?
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You love clinging onto that one season out of 10GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:11 amWhich style of play are we talking about?
The season we finished 7th whilst playing good, effective football or other seasons where we aren't doing much in the transfer window and he made do with what he had?
Probably talking about 95% of the time when it was rigid, efficient football - the style that got us the ‘Brexit Burnley’ tag.
Did you see the Athletic article on long ball football lately? It was statistically shown that we played long ball football under Dyche every season and were basically the last in the PL to do so.
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I can’t stand Brighton but what has Postecoglu done yet to even merit being linked with a Premier League club?
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Potter won't last 5 mins at Chelsea with their trigger happy owners ,they are the new Watford
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Won a Micky mouse league title, but done a decent job in Japan and with the Oz national side aswell to be fair.
Anyway here’s the link. He’s just the bookies fav at the moment. I know it’s a pinch of salt but still.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/ ... ghton/amp/
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Wouldn't the fact Dyche uses soap prevent him from even getting an interview.
If they could manage to get past that then you would imagine his self respect would stop him going for an interview
If they could manage to get past that then you would imagine his self respect would stop him going for an interview
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We are turning into the Sean Dyce employment agency.
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It was good, effective football though and people always bitch and whine about Dyche's style when it did a job and gave the fans something the majority had never seen.RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:55 amYou love clinging onto that one season out of 10
Probably talking about 95% of the time when it was rigid, efficient football - the style that got us the ‘Brexit Burnley’ tag.
Did you see the Athletic article on long ball football lately? It was statistically shown that we played long ball football under Dyche every season and were basically the last in the PL to do so.
It was also more effective than the flowing passing stuff at other clubs that have consistently failed to reach the 7th or higher.
Shaggy is obsessed with putting Dyche down at every single chance he gets, he's like a spurned lover
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There’s the rub, the bigger clubs expect more than good effective football.
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It's the SPL, it doesn't need much to win the league when your only rival is Rangersarise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:48 amThere’s the rub, the bigger clubs expect more than good effective football.
He won't need to be so rigid like he was here
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I can't see Celtic going for Dyche, he doesn't fit their image of attacking football rightly or wrongly.
I could actually see him fitting better at Rangers, and from Sean's POV moving to one of the Old Firm clubs might not be a bad move, it certainly didn't do Brendan Rodgers any harm coming north did it, or for that matter Gerrard.
I could actually see him fitting better at Rangers, and from Sean's POV moving to one of the Old Firm clubs might not be a bad move, it certainly didn't do Brendan Rodgers any harm coming north did it, or for that matter Gerrard.
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Some short memories on here.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:11 amWhich style of play are we talking about?
The season we finished 7th whilst playing good, effective football or other seasons where we aren't doing much in the transfer window and he made do with what he had?
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Bournemouth tried to play attractive football and look what happened - they just kept getting relegated. This Dyche bashing is brainless.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:28 amIt was good, effective football though and people always bitch and whine about Dyche's style when it did a job and gave the fans something the majority had never seen.
It was also more effective than the flowing passing stuff at other clubs that have consistently failed to reach the 7th or higher.
Shaggy is obsessed with putting Dyche down at every single chance he gets, he's like a spurned lover
By the RV what is Brexit Burnley never heard that?
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Kept getting relegated? They were relegated once. Stayed up (you should know given your username) for 4 seasons.
It’s not Dyche bashing, not by myself anyway, it’s just simple that many football fans (including many of our own) found Dyche’s football (in general, not every game) hard to watch.
Long ball football has slowly crept out of top flight football as was highlighted with statistical evidence in this article:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ft ... n%3D711528
Brexit Burnley was a tag we got on social media for the style of football we played combined with the all British 11 we used.
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Like losing 4-0?arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:48 amThere’s the rub, the bigger clubs expect more than good effective football.
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Well I don't follow Bournemouth that much but I thought they had been up and down like Fulham and Norwich who tried to play some 'beautiful' football against billionaire might of the EPL. It doesn't work generally although I am impressed with Brentford who possibly have a blueprint to follow.RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:01 amKept getting relegated? They were relegated once. Stayed up (you should know given your username) for 4 seasons.
It’s not Dyche bashing, not by myself anyway, it’s just simple that many football fans (including many of our own) found Dyche’s football (in general, not every game) hard to watch.
Long ball football has slowly crept out of top flight football as was highlighted with statistical evidence in this article:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ft ... n%3D711528
Brexit Burnley was a tag we got on social media for the style of football we played combined with the all British 11 we used.
Eleven British players. We just didn't have the overseas connections back then. Of course it didn't work in the end and we were relegated -when we brought in foreigners - ouch!!!. As I say above Brentford Blueprint.
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Aligned with the highest % positive Brexit vote in England.RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:01 amKept getting relegated? They were relegated once. Stayed up (you should know given your username) for 4 seasons.
It’s not Dyche bashing, not by myself anyway, it’s just simple that many football fans (including many of our own) found Dyche’s football (in general, not every game) hard to watch.
Long ball football has slowly crept out of top flight football as was highlighted with statistical evidence in this article:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ft ... n%3D711528
Brexit Burnley was a tag we got on social media for the style of football we played combined with the all British 11 we used.
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Rangers as well.
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I’m really getting pist off with this talk of his style of play. In the PL he was pragmatic and needed to be but at times we still played proper football and entertained. In our two promotion seasons we played some top class football with the correct balance between attack and defence.
He hasn’t got one style of play he is good enough to coach the squad he is given.
He hasn’t got one style of play he is good enough to coach the squad he is given.
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half a chance Brendan will end up back at Celtic if he gets potted
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Theres no chance. The Celtic fans feelings towards Rodger’s the way he left in the middle of a 10 in a row run did not go down well at all.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:58 amhalf a chance Brendan will end up back at Celtic if he gets potted
It’s like Coyle ending up back at Burnley but with even more hatred and anger.
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Didn't realise that Defour, Wood, Collins, Pieters, Gudmundsson, Ward, Brady and Hendrick were all British. Be news to them like.
I get that the ALK era is saintly and infallible to you and therefore you need to put down every accomplishment beforehand to justify this position,but it's beyond tiresome.
1 season is a disservice.
We finished 10th playing good football.
We dominated the Championship to win the title. The time before we had Vings as a near telepathic partnership with the likes of Trippier.
Even during most of the hoofball tag, you actually watch our games esepcially if you go to them rather than just on TV, you'd have seen how organised and tactically well drilled we are- because you DO see the off-ball play better. For all your love of stats and data science you should have loved that team- we made the most use of maximising the ball, maximum efficiency, possible. People let the media's obsession with a specific playstyle drown out this argument when there was abolutely the argument that our resource-light, efficiency-heavy, organised style could have been called the thinking man's football. Instead we let the club be labelled anti-football, did nothing to take this label and own it as our own, and even some of our fans began to believe it.
The wheels fell off the last 2 years because we had no resources because of the leveraged takeover. There was a wobble after Europe because qualifying for Europe actually cost the club money, check the accounts.
The amount of revisionism on here that actually the Dyche years were always rubbish and it's way better now is absurd.
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I would imagine the ‘all British XI’ is a specific reference to the time we actually did play an all British XI against Spurs to some media attention.
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You were doing really well there SPT, until “the wheels fell off the last 2 years because we had no resources because of the leveraged takeover”
That’s not quite right as well you know. Undoubtedly linked, but it was the old guards protection of the assets to maximise profit that limited the resources. You’ve called out the revisionism correctly, but then you are guilty of it yourself.
That’s not quite right as well you know. Undoubtedly linked, but it was the old guards protection of the assets to maximise profit that limited the resources. You’ve called out the revisionism correctly, but then you are guilty of it yourself.
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Not even slightly. The leveraged takeover IS Garlick building up the bank balance to make as much profit on the sale as possible, just as it's also ALK offering that deal leaving us with nothing after it goes through. Nothing about what I said was to exonerate Garlick.bobinho wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:25 amYou were doing really well there SPT, until “the wheels fell off the last 2 years because we had no resources because of the leveraged takeover”
That’s not quite right as well you know. Undoubtedly linked, but it was the old guards protection of the assets to maximise profit that limited the resources. You’ve called out the revisionism correctly, but then you are guilty of it yourself.
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I believe Forest recently fielded an all English XI to praise. It was a total myth more about the media beating the club because of perceptions of the town (some of which may have had elements of truth, many of which were exaggeration and distortion). Playstyle, transfer policy and squad makeup were all subsumed to that myth and we neither challenged it nor sought to reclaim it. Our press marketing team in the PL was shocking, something ALK are undoubtedly better at.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:19 amI would imagine the ‘all British XI’ is a specific reference to the time we actually did play an all British XI against Spurs to some media attention.
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Mourinho keeps getting employed by the top clubs despite criticism of his style of play, likewise Conte.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:48 amThere’s the rub, the bigger clubs expect more than good effective football.
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The highest pro leave vote was Boston in Lincs. with 77%. Burnley was not even in the top ten.dougcollins wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:47 pmAligned with the highest % positive Brexit vote in England.
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Good to see some accurate, positive comment about one of Dyche's teams from someone who like me attends games. Perspective is in short supply on here.spt_claret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:10 amDidn't realise that Defour, Wood, Collins, Pieters, Gudmundsson, Ward, Brady and Hendrick were all British. Be news to them like.
I get that the ALK era is saintly and infallible to you and therefore you need to put down every accomplishment beforehand to justify this position,but it's beyond tiresome.
1 season is a disservice.
We finished 10th playing good football.
We dominated the Championship to win the title. The time before we had Vings as a near telepathic partnership with the likes of Trippier.
Even during most of the hoofball tag, you actually watch our games esepcially if you go to them rather than just on TV, you'd have seen how organised and tactically well drilled we are- because you DO see the off-ball play better. For all your love of stats and data science you should have loved that team- we made the most use of maximising the ball, maximum efficiency, possible. People let the media's obsession with a specific playstyle drown out this argument when there was abolutely the argument that our resource-light, efficiency-heavy, organised style could have been called the thinking man's football. Instead we let the club be labelled anti-football, did nothing to take this label and own it as our own, and even some of our fans began to believe it.
The wheels fell off the last 2 years because we had no resources because of the leveraged takeover. There was a wobble after Europe because qualifying for Europe actually cost the club money, check the accounts.
The amount of revisionism on here that actually the Dyche years were always rubbish and it's way better now is absurd.
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Bit of a bizarre rant. The quote you replied to from me was basically something you then agreed with was the case (highlighted above).spt_claret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:10 amDidn't realise that Defour, Wood, Collins, Pieters, Gudmundsson, Ward, Brady and Hendrick were all British. Be news to them like.
I get that the ALK era is saintly and infallible to you and therefore you need to put down every accomplishment beforehand to justify this position,but it's beyond tiresome.
1 season is a disservice.
We finished 10th playing good football.
We dominated the Championship to win the title. The time before we had Vings as a near telepathic partnership with the likes of Trippier.
Even during most of the hoofball tag, you actually watch our games esepcially if you go to them rather than just on TV, you'd have seen how organised and tactically well drilled we are- because you DO see the off-ball play better. For all your love of stats and data science you should have loved that team- we made the most use of maximising the ball, maximum efficiency, possible. People let the media's obsession with a specific playstyle drown out this argument when there was abolutely the argument that our resource-light, efficiency-heavy, organised style could have been called the thinking man's football. Instead we let the club be labelled anti-football, did nothing to take this label and own it as our own, and even some of our fans began to believe it.
The wheels fell off the last 2 years because we had no resources because of the leveraged takeover. There was a wobble after Europe because qualifying for Europe actually cost the club money, check the accounts.
The amount of revisionism on here that actually the Dyche years were always rubbish and it's way better now is absurd.
FYI I watched most of Dyche’s tenure in person, only the last 3 seasons I’ve been overseas so it’s been mainly through the screens. As you say, the level of organisation was outstanding, particularly in the 7th and 10th seasons, with shout outs to the two Championship seasons. At times the fast, direct, efficient football was superb to watch, even last season I really enjoyed our performances against Brighton and Spurs. I’d say when it was good it was good but when it was bad it was a really really awful watch. Overall there was probably more of the latter than former.
You can say the wheels fell off because of the takeover, I semi agree, though I think it’s making excuses in some regards, he was backed last summer with one of the largest spending windows we’ve had, yet produced a really poor season and made some rancid decisions. Jackson even showed more tactical flexibility with the 3/5 at the back system which should have won us a point at Spurs.
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As I mentioned elsewhere if the top clubs want attractive football then why do Mourinho and Conte keep getting top jobs?
Because fans ultimately want to win far more than play attractive tippy tippy football.
Because fans ultimately want to win far more than play attractive tippy tippy football.
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Wow some strong feelings there.spt_claret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:10 amDidn't realise that Defour, Wood, Collins, Pieters, Gudmundsson, Ward, Brady and Hendrick were all British. Be news to them like.
I get that the ALK era is saintly and infallible to you and therefore you need to put down every accomplishment beforehand to justify this position,but it's beyond tiresome.
1 season is a disservice.
We finished 10th playing good football.
We dominated the Championship to win the title. The time before we had Vings as a near telepathic partnership with the likes of Trippier.
Even during most of the hoofball tag, you actually watch our games esepcially if you go to them rather than just on TV, you'd have seen how organised and tactically well drilled we are- because you DO see the off-ball play better. For all your love of stats and data science you should have loved that team- we made the most use of maximising the ball, maximum efficiency, possible. People let the media's obsession with a specific playstyle drown out this argument when there was abolutely the argument that our resource-light, efficiency-heavy, organised style could have been called the thinking man's football. Instead we let the club be labelled anti-football, did nothing to take this label and own it as our own, and even some of our fans began to believe it.
The wheels fell off the last 2 years because we had no resources because of the leveraged takeover. There was a wobble after Europe because qualifying for Europe actually cost the club money, check the accounts.
The amount of revisionism on here that actually the Dyche years were always rubbish and it's way better now is absurd.
Yes we were perhaps efficient but let’s not pretend we played good football under Dyche because we didn’t. We were a long ball side. We defended narrowly and packed the box and launched the ball forward at all costs waiting for a second phase ball.
The Vings partnership was very good and perhaps the main cog in the partnership was Trippier with his deep crosses. The full backs were the key ingredient in Dyches tactics.
The Europe season was a disaster. He done it for me when Dyche couldn’t give a fiddlers fart about the competition ( like all cups) and the fact we didn’t strengthen the team at all was criminal. That season the flaws and limitations were more than creeping through for Dyche.
Back to the main point you don’t like how we were labelled anti-football and a long ball side. Well that’s exactly what we were. It was like watching attack vs defence almost like we give the opposition the ball ( via a long punt of course ) and say come at us. It wasn’t enjoyable in the slightest it was a chore to watch. Contrast that now to our play it’s chalk and cheese.
It’s these limitations in Dyche that will prevent him landing a job better than he had at Burnley in the EPL. Fans don’t want to see negative football with hoofs up the park. Fans don’t want to see their team surrender in the cups, clubs don’t want to pay ridiculous money for players who are limited but are domestic based and experienced.
Stuck Dyche in the Pulis/Megson catagory of managers. He hasn’t even earned the Allardyce level yet.
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Nothing wrong with their football really and they keep getting top jobs as they have track records of delivering trophies, simple.
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I've never quite understood this anti football label. Its football no matter how its played. A lot of that came from managwers who were beaten by us and couldn't take it. They expected us to lay down and take a drubbing. Well we didn't. Pochettino comes to mind after we beat Spurs.Shaggy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:19 amWow some strong feelings there.
Yes we were perhaps efficient but let’s not pretend we played good football under Dyche because we didn’t. We were a long ball side. We defended narrowly and packed the box and launched the ball forward at all costs waiting for a second phase ball.
The Vings partnership was very good and perhaps the main cog in the partnership was Trippier with his deep crosses. The full backs were the key ingredient in Dyches tactics.
The Europe season was a disaster. He done it for me when Dyche couldn’t give a fiddlers fart about the competition ( like all cups) and the fact we didn’t strengthen the team at all was criminal. That season the flaws and limitations were more than creeping through for Dyche.
Back to the main point you don’t like how we were labelled anti-football and a long ball side. Well that’s exactly what we were. It was like watching attack vs defence almost like we give the opposition the ball ( via a long punt of course ) and say come at us. It wasn’t enjoyable in the slightest it was a chore to watch. Contrast that now to our play it’s chalk and cheese.
It’s these limitations in Dyche that will prevent him landing a job better than he had at Burnley in the EPL. Fans don’t want to see negative football with hoofs up the park. Fans don’t want to see their team surrender in the cups, clubs don’t want to pay ridiculous money for players who are limited but are domestic based and experienced.
Stuck Dyche in the Pulis/Megson catagory of managers. He hasn’t even earned the Allardyce level yet.
To be honest your anti Dyche rhetoric is boring and brainless.
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Megson Pulis categoryShaggy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:19 amWow some strong feelings there.
Yes we were perhaps efficient but let’s not pretend we played good football under Dyche because we didn’t. We were a long ball side. We defended narrowly and packed the box and launched the ball forward at all costs waiting for a second phase ball.
The Vings partnership was very good and perhaps the main cog in the partnership was Trippier with his deep crosses. The full backs were the key ingredient in Dyches tactics.
The Europe season was a disaster. He done it for me when Dyche couldn’t give a fiddlers fart about the competition ( like all cups) and the fact we didn’t strengthen the team at all was criminal. That season the flaws and limitations were more than creeping through for Dyche.
Back to the main point you don’t like how we were labelled anti-football and a long ball side. Well that’s exactly what we were. It was like watching attack vs defence almost like we give the opposition the ball ( via a long punt of course ) and say come at us. It wasn’t enjoyable in the slightest it was a chore to watch. Contrast that now to our play it’s chalk and cheese.
It’s these limitations in Dyche that will prevent him landing a job better than he had at Burnley in the EPL. Fans don’t want to see negative football with hoofs up the park. Fans don’t want to see their team surrender in the cups, clubs don’t want to pay ridiculous money for players who are limited but are domestic based and experienced.
Stuck Dyche in the Pulis/Megson catagory of managers. He hasn’t even earned the Allardyce level yet.
We’re going to need a bigger village with you and RV
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Slagging off. Interesting turn of phrase and rather typical of the discourse on here. There's absolutely no room for a middle ground. Of course, I was posting my opinion that I wasn't a fan of the football we were playing at the time and I believed we could and should have been putting a greater emphasis on ball retention.
Nevertheless, I have huge respect for the achievements we made with Sean Dyche so if there is a high horse, that'll be why. Never in a million years should he be categorised with Megson and Pulis. Dyche got us into Europe with far fewer resources, relatively, than those two had. It's just disrespectful.
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All of the above I don’t disagree with so why this comment about me?ksrclaret wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:29 pmSlagging off. Interesting turn of phrase and rather typical of the discourse on here. There's absolutely no room for a middle ground. Of course, I was posting my opinion that I wasn't a fan of the football we were playing at the time and I believed we could and should have been putting a greater emphasis on ball retention.
Nevertheless, I have huge respect for the achievements we made with Sean Dyche so if there is a high horse, that'll be why. Never in a million years should he be categorised with Megson and Pulis. Dyche got us into Europe with far fewer resources, relatively, than those two had. It's just disrespectful.
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Well it was jokey comment, hence the smileys, but I included you because of all the Brexit Burnley stuff. That was terribly disrespectful as well. Coming from opposition fans on Twitter I can understand, but I wouldn't expect to see our own fans justifying it after all he achieved with us.