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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Petersa » Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:45 am

What a superb thread my thanks to all involved. The 1889.90 picture shows a magnificent looking trophy, is that the Lancashire Senior Cup? Was always led to believe it was the best looking trophy going.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:43 am

Petersa wrote:
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What a superb thread my thanks to all involved. The 1889.90 picture shows a magnificent looking trophy, is that the Lancashire Senior Cup? Was always led to believe it was the best looking trophy going.
Halfway down page4 there is a photo of our reserves with the Central League Champions and the Lancashire Senior Cup trophies. The one on the right looks similar to the one from 1889 which is blurred so can’tconfirm.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:46 am

Whatever it is that is a superb trophy. Bit to big for my mantlepiece.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Petersa » Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:14 am

Many Thanks TTrevorl

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Claret Till I Die » Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:34 am

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Well I've run out of our trophy winners but before starting with just squads through the ages here's our reserves from the 1961-'63 period.
Double Central League winners and Lancashire Senior Cup to boot. So many of them went on to have substantial EFL careers and most at the top level.

Back: Dave Walker, Walter Joyce, John Talbut,?, Harry Thomson, Brian O'Neil, George Bray(manager), Willie Irvine, Willie Morgan.
Front: ?, Freddie Smith, Trevor Meredith,?, Andy Lochhead, Arthur Bellamy,Ian Towers, Johnny Price Mick Buxton
I'm sure Royboy can fill in the blanks and I know I'll be embarrassed for missing them.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:53 am

Petersa wrote:
Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:45 am
What a superb thread my thanks to all involved. The 1889.90 picture shows a magnificent looking trophy, is that the Lancashire Senior Cup? Was always led to believe it was the best looking trophy going.
Can confirm that they are indeed the same trophy, albeit played for in different named competitions.

When we won the trophy in 1960 and 1962 it was known as the Lancashire Senior Cup but way back in 1890 it was known merely as the Lancashire Cup. That year we beat Blackburn 2-0 in the Final at Thorneyholme Road Accrington.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:59 am

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Team news.......Back row, left to right.......W.McFettridge, W.Bury, J.Kearsley (umpire!), D.Spiers, E.T.White (secretary).

Front row.......R.Haresnape, A.McLardie, A.Lang, C.Lambie, A.Stewart, J.Hill.

On ground......A.Kaye and J.Keenan.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:26 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:53 am
Can confirm that they are indeed the same trophy, albeit played for in different named competitions.

When we won the trophy in 1960 and 1962 it was known as the Lancashire Senior Cup but way back in 1890 it was known merely as the Lancashire Cup. That year we beat Blackburn 2-0 in the Final at Thorneyholme Road Accrington.
That would have been some competition back then in the real Lancashire. ManU, City, Liverpool and Everton were all in the county back then.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:39 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:26 pm
That would have been some competition back then in the real Lancashire. ManU, City, Liverpool and Everton were all in the county back then.
A different passage to the Final than you might have anticpated, TT.

We beat Rossendale 4-3, Haydock 15-0 and Higher Walton 7-0, then another game for which I don't have details before beating Blackburn 2-0 in the Final. McLardie and Stewart scored our goals.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:20 pm

Royboyclaret, I’m searching my records and as of now, I’m unable to establish IF we did play a Semi Final. The Lancs Cup, as it was known at the start date of the competition in 1879, was initially played for by 40 teams.
The LFA being formed in 1878. In the first final played between Bbn Rovers and Darwen. Before we were formed the rivalry. The rivalry between those two teams was as bitter as ours is towards them. Games were abandoned, because of players brawling, or the crowd encroaching onto the field of play. Bbn even signed a local well known cricketer and Fair ground pugilist, to pressure other teams players. PNE were due to play Accrington Stanley at Bbn in the 1887 final, but they refused to play there. So the losing Semi Finalist played each other for the right to play in the Final.
There were many many more strange goings on, with Clubs, at matches and within the LFA committee, from the early onset. So a no result, or walkover SF wouldn’t surprise me.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:44 pm

Tricky Trevor, Everton were refused entry into the LFA cup in 1886, as their team was not able to show proof of their ability, to play at the level expected. When they did gain entry, they didn’t play their first team players, which was the rule. They failed to compete in some ties and withdrew from the Competition, for a season. In the early 1900s Everton we’re fined £100 for fielding a weakened team in a cup match v Liverpool.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:09 pm

I'm losing track of what's already gone up so apologies if these have been up before.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:08 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:09 pm
I'm losing track of what's already gone up so apologies if these have been up before.
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Two superb photos, TT.

FA Cup winners 1913/14 and Division One League Champions 1920/21.

Seven years apart (separated by WW1), but both teams captained by the incomparable Tommy Boyle.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:05 am

1928-29 & 1929-30.The players I can identify are Louis Page, back right on the first, front right on the second and third, George Beel, 2nd from right the first two and 2nd from left the final year. Billy Down is the keeper '28-29 and George Somerville in '29-30. Down was the starting keeper both seasons but Somerville replaced him in the 29-30 season after Down ruptured his kidney at Deadwood. There were fears for his life, thankfully he survived but he never played again. Stan Bowsher is to the left of Somerville in '29-30. Tommy Willingham is back right in '31-32.
I'm sure Royboy can name them all.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:00 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:05 am
1928-29 & 1929-30.The players I can identify are Louis Page, back right on the first, front right on the second and third, George Beel, 2nd from right the first two and 2nd from left the final year. Billy Down is the keeper '28-29 and George Somerville in '29-30. Down was the starting keeper both seasons but Somerville replaced him in the 29-30 season after Down ruptured his kidney at Deadwood. There were fears for his life, thankfully he survived but he never played again. Stan Bowsher is to the left of Somerville in '29-30. Tommy Willingham is back right in '31-32.
I'm sure Royboy can name them all.
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TT, you've done a great job there highlighting two of the legends of our Club in Louis Page and George Beel. George had an amazing goals/games ratio including 11 hat-tricks. I don't think even the great Willie Irvine could emulate that. As for Tommy Willighan, I wonder if he is related to one of our staunchest current supporters, Steve Willighan. I do know that Steve's Dad, also called Tommy, was a footballer. Perhaps Steve can confirm, if he reads this.

My Dad always referred to this period as entering our "Wilderness Years", and of course we were relegated from Division One in 1929/30. Your third photo was taken before the game at Molineux against Wolves in Jan.'32, Dad often referred to this game, not sure if it was his first away game. Anyway we lost 1-3 with Jones scoring our only goal.

The line-up was.......Back row, left to right......John Schofield, John Hall, Stan Bowsher, Richard Twist, Jim Brown, Charlie Bates (trainer), Tommy Willighan.
Front row.......Sam Jennings, George Beel, Evan Jenkins, George Waterfield, Tom Jones & Louis Page.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:35 pm

Tommy returned to his native Belfast after a serious injury against ManU. Sadly he died from cancer far too young.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:11 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:35 pm
Tommy returned to his native Belfast after a serious injury against ManU. Sadly he died from cancer far too young.
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Be good to hear from Steve on this one, pretty sure he reads this messageboard.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:51 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:11 pm
Be good to hear from Steve on this one, pretty sure he reads this messageboard.
Wow, made my day this,......the magical world of UTC & BFC.

Just heard directly from Steve Willighan that Thomas is indeed his great-grandad.

Also, incredibly, George Waterfield who appears on the 1931/32 photo, is Steve's great-uncle.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:18 am

Same era.
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1922/23.
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I can’t date this one but similar to above. Lots of same players.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:20 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:18 am
Same era.
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1922/23.
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I can’t date this one but similar to above. Lots of same players.
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More top pics, TT, with both squad photos no doubt from the same season 1922/23.

This was effectively the start of a new era with life "after Tommy Boyle" beginnning to take shape. David Taylor had arrived and captained the side, that's him top left on the back row of the first pic with keeper Jerry Dawson and big Joe Anderson at the other end. Legendary Bob Kelly on the front row.

The team was virtually the same throughout the whole season, as follows.......Dawson, Smelt, Taylor, Emerson, Bassnett, Watson, Fisher, Kelly, Anderson, Cross & Mosscrop/Weaver.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:11 pm

William and Harry trading blows......Excess deaths......Is that what this messageboard is all about?

What we desperately need is Tricky Trevor (or anyone) to provide a couple of group photos to divert our attention.

Come on TT, where are ya?
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:30 pm

From a Facebook group today. A familiar picture but I thought it a good colourisation.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:35 pm

That's magnificent, Martin.......FA Cup winners 1914.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:43 pm

The detail is exceptional......the legendary Halley, Boyle & Watson on the front row.

Where's Claret Tony and MikeS ?

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:55 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
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Come on TT, where are ya?
Far to busy over the festive period, Royboy, but I’ve plenty more but ‘50s onwards. I’ll get on the pc tomorrow.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:58 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:55 pm
Far to busy over the festive period, Royboy, but I’ve plenty more but ‘50s onwards. I’ll get on the pc tomorrow.
Good man, so look forward to it........All we need is CT to be involved.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:00 pm

TT, what about the detail in martin_p's FA Cup winners photo.

Is that special or what ?
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:14 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:00 pm
TT, what about the detail in martin_p's FA Cup winners photo.

Is that special or what ?
I’ve saved it already. It’s far better quality than the one I shared earlier.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by jackmiggins » Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:17 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:18 am
Same era.
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1922/23.
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I can’t date this one but similar to above. Lots of same players.
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Thanks TT, pretty sure that Freeman and Hodgson are labelled wrongly on the ciggie card?

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Hipper » Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:38 am

martin_p wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:30 pm
From a Facebook group today. A familiar picture but I thought it a good colourisation.

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Other team photos of the 1914 cup winners don't have them with badges. On the colourisation I wonder if the green background of the badge on Sewell was in fact claret like the others?

I went on Google and searched 'Burnley 1914 cup winners team photo' and there are some nice ones including this said to be from 1913-14. No team names were given:
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:19 am

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:21 am

jackmiggins wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:17 am
Thanks TT, pretty sure that Freeman and Hodgson are labelled wrongly on the ciggie card?
Nesbit as well I think. The one labelled Nesbit is Hodgson, the one labelled Freeman is Nesbit and the one labelled Hodgson is Freeman.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:07 am

Royboyclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:00 pm
TT, what about the detail in martin_p's FA Cup winners photo.

Is that special or what ?
Not sure if it’s still there or not but the shirt on the far right can be seen in the National Football Museum.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:11 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:19 am
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Some cracking players on that '55/'56 squad, TT.

A number of them played a prominent role in winning the League Championship four years later.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:10 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:11 pm
Some cracking players on that '55/'56 squad, TT.

A number of them played a prominent role in winning the League Championship four years later.
I’d have loved to have seen Colin McDonald play. Got his autograph at an ex-Clarets game as a young un.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:19 pm

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I’d have loved to have seen Colin McDonald play. Got his autograph at an ex-Clarets game as a young un.
Simply the best, the only way I can describe Colin McDonald. Sadly he did not play a part in that '59/'60 Championship season, having been forced to retire earlier in '59 through injury.

Just four of that '55/'56 squad were involved four years later, but they were four special players.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

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1965-66 squad.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:40 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
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That's some squad photo, TT.....Just a mere 34 players on the pic (if my count is correct)......Albeit a number of junior players on the front row. Plenty of players who didn't get much of a look in the first team but nevertheless decent players to have around, big Dave Merrington, Colin Blant, Ray & Stan Ternent to name just a few.

Two legendary centre-forwards, of course, in Ray Pointer and Willie Irvine. If the photo had been taken a couple of weeks later Pointer would by then have been transferred to Bury and for Irvine it was the season of the remarkable 29 goals in 42 League games.

We finished the season in third position of the top league and as a result qualified for Europe the following year.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:44 pm

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That's some squad photo, TT.....Just a mere 34 players on the pic
Chris Nichol behind Gordon Harris. One that got away, he went on to have an excellent career.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:59 pm

Who are the two players top left on the back row?

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Post by longsidetrumpet » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:05 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
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1965-66 squad.
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Got all the senior players, and some of the youngsters, but who’s that between Chris Nichol and Les Latcham?

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:25 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:59 pm
Who are the two players top left on the back row?
Mick Buxton, extreme left. Not sure of the lad beside him. Could it be a young John Murray?
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:31 pm

longsidetrumpet wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:05 pm
Got all the senior players, and some of the youngsters, but who’s that between Chris Nichol and Les Latcham?
Recognise the face, can’t get a name.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:38 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:25 pm
Mick Buxton, extreme left. Not sure of the lad beside him. Could it be a young John Murray?
Think you've nailed it with John Murray, he was certainly here at that time. Would never have got Mick Buxton from that photo, he looks so different on the squad photo on the first page.....he's back row second from right, next to Andy Lochhead.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by claretfern » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:14 pm

longsidetrumpet wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:05 pm
Got all the senior players, and some of the youngsters, but who’s that between Chris Nichol and Les Latcham?
John McGarty. Played in a Scottish Cup Final for Dunfermline a few years on.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by claretfern » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:16 pm

This photo is in one of the many BFC publications. All the names are shown.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by longsidetrumpet » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:18 pm

Thanks didn’t recognise the face… don’t remember the name either from an era when as a 14/15 year old I was an addict of all things Claret

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:13 pm

longsidetrumpet wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:05 pm
Got all the senior players, and some of the youngsters, but who’s that between Chris Nichol and Les Latcham?
Got this from the seasons programme. A few names I don’t know and can’t trace but it might ring a bell with yourself or Royboy.
Whilst looking came across this photo of Len Kinsella, not him but I like the photo.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:38 pm

Claretfern spot on.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:34 am

No Connelly or Pointer, possibly on international call up.
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Reserves in a tournament in Germany. I’ve seen the photo before but inly just came across it colourised.
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