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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Hipper » Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:53 am

Bfc wrote:
Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:14 pm
As pointed out by FCBurnley, Billy Dougal and George Bray are correct.
Re adding a selection of team photos. I have lots going back to over 100 years ago. But knowing how to add them to the message board is beyond me.
If someone on here ( which will have been outlined elsewhere), then I will add them for people's enjoyment.
If I master that, I will then consider adding interesting Bfc paper cuttings, from the thousands I have, again going back to over 100 year ago.
I thought there were instructions somewhere but I can't find them.

1. You need to have the photos on your computer. You can do this by scanning (therefore needing a scanner). You could also photograph them but the results won't be so good.

2. They need to be in a size that is just right for this message board. The photo on this thread is 640 x 480 pixels which is a typical size for a message board. If they are much bigger then this they will take up too large amount of space on the thread. You will need some sort of photo software to do this, or you could try this:

https://www.reduceimages.com/

Just reduce them for this message board. Keep your originals their actual size.

3. Place you photos in some sort of folder system for your own use (don't forget to back them up on a disc or external hard drive so you don't lose all that work).

4a. On this message board, on a thread, when posting a reply in 'Full Editor & Preview Mode' (not a 'Quick Reply' - click the 'Full Editor & Preview Mode' button at the bottom of 'Quick Reply'), at the bottom of the text box, click the 'Attachments' button then 'Add Files'. This will open a window on your PC.

4b. In that window, go through your folders to select the picture you want. Select one by left clicking on it. Click the 'Open' button.

4c. You will now be back on the UTC thread. You will see your image listed and hopefully a green tick at the end under 'Status'.
You can add further images if you wish.

4d. In order to place this image in your post, first place your curser where you want the image to go - left click the spot. Then click the 'Place inline'
button and you will get the text of the image on your post. Click 'Preview' to see if it looks as you want it. If you want to move it a bit, place you curser above or below and move like you would text. If it's in completely the wrong place, delete the text in the post as you would any text and try again to place it.

That's all there is to it!

You can find all the images you have posted on here by going to your User Control Panel and on the 'Overview' tab click on the 'Manage Attachments' on the left menu.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:50 pm

Thanks Hipper, I will look into your advice. But not until early next month, as I’ve commitments until then and I’ve found a selection of photos to show.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Hipper » Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:03 pm

Bfc wrote:
Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:50 pm
Thanks Hipper, I will look into your advice. But not until early next month, as I’ve commitments until then and I’ve found a selection of photos to show.
Look forward to it.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:09 pm

Front row, third player from left

Gareth Southgate.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:23 pm

Brilliant effort and now just 3 players remain unidentified.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:22 pm

37. Roger Daltrey. Who? I hear you ask.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:01 pm

1. Jim Scott - Reserve team captain who played just three games, I think, for the first team.

We're slowly getting there ClaretGeorgina and the annoying bit is that I know the final two but putting names to them is proving to be the difficult part.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:16 pm

Great call for Scott. Like you I know number 2 but can’t a name to him. Don’t know 37 tho. Surprised CT hasn’t offered any names. Is he ok ?

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:27 pm

Scott played 3 first team games and 2 fa cup according to Clarets Chronicles
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:36 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:27 pm
Scott played 3 first team games and 2 fa cup according to Clarets Chronicles
FCBurnley......Do you recall a young right-back called Bill Pointon ?.......He played alongside the likes of Mick Buxton, Len Kinsella, Les Latcham & Stan Ternent in the Reserve side at the start of the 1960's ?......He just might be the missing No.2.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:49 pm

Identifying everyone in the photo is starting to look like a real possibility now which is not only absolutely remarkable but a real testament to the depth of Clarets knowledge of the members of this board.

Updated list of identified faces:

1 - Jim Scott
2 -
3 - Les Latcham
4 - David Walker
5 - Arthur Bellamy
6 - A. Haspell
7 - D. Compton
8 - Brian O'Neil
9 - Dave Merrington
10 - Mick Buxton
11 - Andy Lochhead
A1 - Billy Dougall
12 - Walter Joyce
13 - Peter Simpson
14 - Ian Towers
15 - Ian Lawson
16 - Billy Marshall
17 - Harry Thomson
18 - Adam Blacklaw
19 - Jim Furnell
20 - Trevor Meredith
21 - C. Govan
22 - John Angus
23 - John Talbut
A3 - Ray Bennion
24 - John Connelly
25 - Jimmy McIlroy
26 - Alex Elder
27 - Jimmy Adamson
A2 - Harry Potts
28 - Ray Pointer
29 - Brian Miller
30 - Gordon Harris
31 - Tommy Cummings
A4 - Joe Brown
32 - Willie Irvine
33 - A. Bird
34 - Johnny Price
35 - Ronnie Fenton
36 - Freddie Smith
37 -
A5 - George Bray

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:57 pm

I see that Jim Scott went to Oldham Athletic in 1961 and as can be seen in the programme below lined up against the Clarets in a friendly to mark the opening of the Boundary Park floodlights.

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and is here on the Oldham Athletic team photo.

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Great work Royboyclaret!
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:58 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:36 pm
FCBurnley......Do you recall a young right-back called Bill Pointon ?.......He played alongside the likes of Mick Buxton, Len Kinsella, Les Latcham & Stan Ternent in the Reserve side at the start of the 1960's ?......He just might be the missing No.2.
I certainly remember him in the reserves but sadly can not confirm if that is him at number 2 Very good call tho and it could well be correct
Bfc can you find a pic of Billy Pointon in your records ? Thanks for your help and hope you are keeping well
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by GordonvaleClaret » Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:22 am

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:01 am

Looking at the Oldham team photo, it includes Alan Shackleton, who played for us mid to late fifties. 2 others are Jimmy Frizzel who went onto manage Oldham for some years and I think Greaves who later managed Bolton.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:31 am

GordonvaleClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:22 am
37 Bill Poynton

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/n ... 1212001946
Bill Poynton player was mentioned further up by Royboyclaret and FCBurnley and I think the attached photo is just about as clear a confirmation as one could hope for!
Thank you GordonValeClaret.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:32 am

Updated list of identified faces:

1 - Jim Scott
2 -
3 - Les Latcham
4 - David Walker
5 - Arthur Bellamy
6 - A. Haspell
7 - D. Compton
8 - Brian O'Neil
9 - Dave Merrington
10 - Mick Buxton
11 - Andy Lochhead
A1 - Billy Dougall
12 - Walter Joyce
13 - Peter Simpson
14 - Ian Towers
15 - Ian Lawson
16 - Billy Marshall
17 - Harry Thomson
18 - Adam Blacklaw
19 - Jim Furnell
20 - Trevor Meredith
21 - C. Govan
22 - John Angus
23 - John Talbut
A3 - Ray Bennion
24 - John Connelly
25 - Jimmy McIlroy
26 - Alex Elder
27 - Jimmy Adamson
A2 - Harry Potts
28 - Ray Pointer
29 - Brian Miller
30 - Gordon Harris
31 - Tommy Cummings
A4 - Joe Brown
32 - Willie Irvine
33 - A. Bird
34 - Johnny Price
35 - Ronnie Fenton
36 - Freddie Smith
37 - Bill Poynton
A5 - George Bray

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:33 am

Royboyclaret, sorry to say, I don’t think No 1 is Scott. Scott looks older and has dark hair, combed back. Re my call of No 9 being D Merrington?, I’ve reviewed another photo and suggest it’s actually J Auchie.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:43 am

Found this

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/n ... 1212002044

It’s a photo obviously take at the same time but from a different angle, and it’s a lot clearer. It also handily comes with some names (although that doesn’t mean they’re right of course). It confirms John Auchie rather than Merrington and suggests the first two are C Williamson and J Gibson.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:49 am

Superb photo found by martin_p

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:52 am

Here is the list of names which was provided to accompany the above photo:

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:55 am

Also suggests that 33 is H Singer rather than A Bird. If you do a search on each on the player names followed by ‘Burnley’ on that gettyimages site you get a full head and shoulders shot taken from the same photo shoot which it suggests is circa November 1961 (which sounds about right).
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:30 am

Here are the head and shoulders from gettyimages found by martin_p

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:35 am

I am also assuming from looking at the close ups, a detail I hadn't noticed before, that you had to have a certain 'status' to get a badge on your shirt!

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:50 am

I think the Claretgeorgina original pic is of the pre season 1961 teams squads. Not included are Willie Morgan was still an amateur until October and Dave Merrington, who didn’t turn pro until 1962. Joe Brown had just joined the Club, to become the 3rd/youth team coach at the start of that season

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:07 am

W&H Talbot was father Howard and son Wally, who were full time sport photographers. Many of his photos were produced in lots of newspapers.
I was lucky enough to get to know Wally and visit his home a few times, where I saw his vast collection of player portraits and team photos, some I was allowed to buy for my own collection.
Does anyone know how Getty images have seemed to have taken over the image copyrights of photos all over the world?.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:13 am

Bfc wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:07 am
W&H Talbot was father Howard and son Wally, who were full time sport photographers. Many of his photos were produced in lots of newspapers.
I was lucky enough to get to know Wally and visit his home a few times, where I saw his vast collection of player portraits and team photos, some I was allowed to buy for my own collection.
Does anyone know how Getty images have seemed to have taken over the image copyrights of photos all over the world?.
One would guess through a series of acquisitions, it’s usually the way. Buying companies that own copyright to images (who may themselves have bought other companies that owned copyrights). They seem to have a lot of sports stuff.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Hipper » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:20 am

ClaretGeorgina wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:35 am
I am also assuming from looking at the close ups, a detail I hadn't noticed before, that you had to have a certain 'status' to get a badge on your shirt!
Although it's odd that John Angus doesn't have a badge.

I would think someone would have had to sow them on.

In the early/mid 1960s I wanted a Burnley kit - I live just north of London. The shop keeper was able to get it but it didn't have a badge on it. We could buy them but needed to order a large number. My mother therefore crocheted one and sowed it on. Aren't mothers wonderful - sometimes anyway!

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:25 am

Hipper wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:20 am
Although it's odd that John Angus doesn't have a badge.

I would think someone would have had to sow them on.

In the early/mid 1960s I wanted a Burnley kit - I live just north of London. The shop keeper was able to get it but it didn't have a badge on it. We could buy them but needed to order a large number. My mother therefore crocheted one and sowed it on. Aren't mothers wonderful - sometimes anyway!
John appears to feature twice, with and without a badge !

So who is the missing player ?

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:29 am

Royboyclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:25 am
John appears to feature twice, with and without a badge !

So who is the missing player ?
Not all the head and shoulder shots shown in that post are from the same shoot I think, hence Angus appearing twice. You can tell by the position of the players in relation to the stand in the background as to which belong with which.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Hipper » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:32 am

This is a job for forensics.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:38 am

Having had a look at the head and shoulder shots it looks like one set is from August 1961 and one from Nov 1961 (the same as the team photo).

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:41 am

martin_p wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:38 am
Having had a look at the head and shoulder shots it looks like one set is from August 1961 and one from Nov 1961 (the same as the team photo).
Although the John Angus without a badge shown bottom right is from March 1961.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:48 am

Royboyclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:25 am
John appears to feature twice, with and without a badge !

So who is the missing player ?
It looks like there are 3 goalkeepers on the big picture, but there are only 2 in the individual portraits.

Edit: Harry Thomson.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:02 am

Here’s the first team photo from August 1961 which matches up with the ground positioning on the headshots of the pictures with badges. My guess is they did first team photo and headshots in August 1961 then took a full squad photo in November 1961 but only did headshots for the players they didn’t have from the August shoot. Doesn’t explain why there isn’t a Harry Thomson headshot, maybe it’s just lost!

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/n ... popup=true

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:10 am

So there you have it, Claret Georgina......A top effort by all involved. Hope your curiosity has been satisfied !!

Not surprising the junior players were difficult to identify, I certainly didn't see them play but probably saw them in training at Gawthorpe.

Perhaps next time you visit Roggerham Gate you can add the players' names to the photograph !!
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:17 am

I guess there’s one unsolved mystery, where is Jimmy Robson? He doesn’t appear on either the August or November team photo. I thought he may have been injured but a quick check of Clarets Chronicles shows he only missed on game all season in 61/62 and that wasn’t until the second half of the season.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:53 am

Royboyclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:10 am
So there you have it, Claret Georgina......A top effort by all involved. Hope your curiosity has been satisfied !!

Not surprising the junior players were difficult to identify, I certainly didn't see them play but probably saw them in training at Gawthorpe.

Perhaps next time you visit Roggerham Gate you can add the players' names to the photograph !!
After all this brilliant, interesting and really enjoyable to watch unfolding detective work it would be a shame not to put it to the best possible use so I now propose to create and frame a small list of the names to put up on the wall in the Roggerham Gate.
I will type up an authentic to the period looking team sheet later, but it still seems that there are one or two question marks over the identity of certain players. I have to go to work now, but when I return I will go back through the thread and highlight the players over which there is still some uncertainty so that we are all as sure as we can possibly be that the list is 100% correct.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by FCBurnley » Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:04 pm

martin_p wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:17 am
I guess there’s one unsolved mystery, where is Jimmy Robson? He doesn’t appear on either the August or November team photo. I thought he may have been injured but a quick check of Clarets Chronicles shows he only missed on game all season in 61/62 and that wasn’t until the second half of the season.
If I know Jim he would prob be doing his shift down t’pit !!when the pic was taken He often did a Saturday morning shift prior to home games

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by FCBurnley » Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:07 pm

Did I miss something. Did we solve 2.3 and 37 ?

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:10 pm

Hipper wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:20 am
Although it's odd that John Angus doesn't have a badge.

I would think someone would have had to sow them on.

In the early/mid 1960s I wanted a Burnley kit - I live just north of London. The shop keeper was able to get it but it didn't have a badge on it. We could buy them but needed to order a large number. My mother therefore crocheted one and sowed it on. Aren't mothers wonderful - sometimes anyway!
My first Claret shirt was bought late ‘62 at Cockers and the badge was the blue background with a Claret football on it. Probably sold the same shirt for West Ham and Villa, although they both had double bands around the neck line.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:34 pm

Colin Williamson, played for the early Ex Clarets team, involving the likes of Reg Kirkham, Gordon Haigh and Jack Butterfield. Some may remember him running a Post Office in Nelson. The last time I met him for a chat was when he brought his close friend and ex Claret Fred Smith to a group meeting, which included Willie Irvine and Jimmy Robson. CTID, will know the meeting I mean.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Bfc » Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:48 pm

A reason that Jimmy Robson was not on the photos, maybe because, he had been selected for the FA 11 to play Spurs in the Charity Sheild match at White Hart Lane, as they had done the double. Which was played before the start of the season.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Claret Till I Die » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:19 pm

Bfc wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:34 pm
Colin Williamson, played for the early Ex Clarets team, involving the likes of Reg Kirkham, Gordon Haigh and Jack Butterfield. Some may remember him running a Post Office in Nelson. The last time I met him for a chat was when he brought his close friend and ex Claret Fred Smith to a group meeting, which included Willie Irvine and Jimmy Robson. CTID, will know the meeting I mean.
I do know the meeting Bfc. Thank you for attending it too.

Last time I saw Colin to talk to was Jimmy Robson's funeral

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:39 pm

It's been facinating watching this photo/thread gradually being filled in with names from the past,some very knowledgeable posters contributing to this thread...well done chaps.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by ClaretGeorgina » Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:53 pm

I've been trying to produce a final list of names so have arranged the head and shoulders player portraits in the order they are in the original photo but there are still 2 players who need to be properly identified.

If you click on the portraits it opens in a new window which can then be magnified. I spent quite a while matching them up, but please point out if there are any errors, though I think it's correct.

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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:17 pm

Georgina......Just a couple of points......10 on the portraits is Mick Buxton not Sammy Todd.

Think also that 6 is A.Ashpell and 33 H.Singer.

As for No.1 I'm happy to stand corrected it is Colin Williamson and not Jim Scott as I had suggested.

Hope this helps.......Basically the end product is as per martin_p's list with the three "unknowns" replaced by Billy Dougall, Joe Brown and George Bray.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Claret Till I Die » Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:19 pm

100% N°1 Is Colin Williamson
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by Vino blanco » Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:23 pm

This has been an excellent and informative thread and is a perfect example of the benefits and good uses of this message board.
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Re: 1960s BFC squad photo

Post by RMutt » Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:39 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:23 pm
This has been an excellent and informative thread and is a perfect example of the benefits and good uses of this message board.
Agree, brilliant effort. Amazing memory’s from a few, I don’t know how they do it! Great photos.

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