Going right to the top. Similar to when we had Cahill

If we get promoted there’s a chance we sign him permanently but with the way he’s performing I can see more than just us after him.

What are you basing this on??
Brilliant player but personally don't think he's anywhere near Cahill's level defensively hence why City loan him out.
We don't half get carried away when somebody puts a Burnley shirt on

I think he’ll have the best career of all the CBs I’ve seen play for Burnley. He’s superb.

There’s more to being a top defender than being decent in possession.

He reads the game well when defending in a high line and clearly has excellent vision and a stellar passing range.

However he is limited in the air and doesn’t seem to have great awareness defending inside the box - also isn’t particularly blessed with pace/acceleration.

Think he’s a very good young player but I’m not sure he has all the tools it takes to be a top top player as the OP alluded to

His shin, at the death, saved us 2 points. Excellent defending but he’s a long way from Cahills’ level at that age.

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:10 pm

What are you basing this on??
Brilliant player but personally don't think he's anywhere near Cahill's level defensively hence why City loan him out.
We don't half get carried away when somebody puts a Burnley shirt on

Basing it on his performances so far, Cahill was at Villa, not one of the best clubs in the world!

He's only 20 too!

Ridiculously good for his age. Coasts through games and his distribution is as good as any centre back I can remember.

Agree with OP. I see this lad going right to the very top. An England regular for sure, wherever he ends up in the top flight. Good in the air, composed when bringing the ball forward, good in the tackle and blocks as well. Plus the goal threat, as shown with the leap at Preston. Long may he be a Claret.

Great player. Can't stand the way Phil Bird pronounces his name, rolling his r's with that Blackburn twang.

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:10 pm

What are you basing this on??
Brilliant player but personally don't think he's anywhere near Cahill's level defensively hence why City loan him out.
We don't half get carried away when somebody puts a Burnley shirt on

So what’s the next level up from brilliant?

He’s not anywhere near dominant enough in the air to be considered brilliant.

Doesn’t have the presence of a typically big central defender.
However he is good and I think he will get better between now and the end of the season

The passion harwood-bellis showed when full time whistle went was everything you want from a loan signing

Very very good footballer, average defender, plenty of time to reach the heights being suggested.

Average defender

He is a fantastic centre half, a real talent and could well be Kompany's best signing.

Wasn’t Cahill only about 18 when he signed?

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:03 pm

Average defender

He doesn't win many headers, doesn't dominate centre forwards and is susceptible to the long ball over the top. He's similar to John Stones in some ways. His defensive abilities are average in my opinion, but he's a great ball-player and that's in many ways more important in a team who dominate possession the way his parent club and ourselves do.

Does it really matter if he is better or not than Cahill as a youngster. I am just pleased we have him for a season, and give him a great platform to build his career. I am also grateful we have a manager now with the vision to identify a real prospect, convince him to join(when other clubs were after him), and to play him instantly rather than dick about waiting for the right opportunity to play him. For me it just shows what we missed out on for 3-4 seasons by blanking out loans. Onwards and upwards

If he’s anything like Stones, who’s become an outstanding defender, he’ll do very well.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:14 pm

If he’s anything like Stones, who’s become an outstanding defender, he’ll do very well.

Obviously.

Classic message board stuff on here. We have a great player, doing really well but some feel the need to be critical because they think he's not as good as someone we had on loan nearly 20 years ago! Why even go there?

He will soon enough be a Premier League player, be it with Burnley, City or another.

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:13 pm

I am also grateful we have a manager now with the vision to identify a real prospect, convince him to join(when other clubs were after him), and to play him instantly rather than dick about waiting for the right opportunity to play him. For me it just shows what we missed out on for 3-4 seasons by blanking out loans. Onwards and upwards

The lack of awareness of the context of where we are now vs where we’ve been over the last 3-4 seasons is staggering.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:16 pm

There’s more to being a top defender than being decent in possession.

He reads the game well when defending in a high line and clearly has excellent vision and a stellar passing range.

However he is limited in the air and doesn’t seem to have great awareness defending inside the box - also isn’t particularly blessed with pace/acceleration.

Think he’s a very good young player but I’m not sure he has all the tools it takes to be a top top player as the OP alluded to

you must have missed his last minute intervention from the cross into the 6 yard box stopping a nailed on goal today then

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:23 pm

you must have missed his last minute intervention from the cross into the 6 yard box stopping a nailed on goal today then

Yup was going to say, this was an outstanding bit of defending and saved us the 3 points in the end

Probably going to be a decent premier league Cb.

Some people love to over egg our talent. He’s knowhere near as good as the CBs we lost this summer.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:25 pm

Yup was going to say, this was an outstanding bit of defending and saved us the 3 points in the end

it was and he won loads in the air today too.
Is he as good as Tarky was in the air ? No
Is he way better than Tarky was on the ball ? Massively so, it's not even close

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:27 pm

it was and he won loads in the air today too.
Is he as good as Tarky was in the air ? No
Is he way better than Tarky was on the ball ? Massively so, it's not even close

You can’t seriously believe he is massively better than Tarks on the ball?

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:23 pm

you must have missed his last minute intervention from the cross into the 6 yard box stopping a nailed on goal today then

Judging off all his displays so far, not just today Vegas

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:27 pm

Probably going to be a decent premier league Cb.

Some people love to over egg our talent. He’s knowhere near as good as the CBs we lost this summer.

He's 20 years old !!....give the lad a chance.

Aclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:32 pm

He's 20 years old !!....give the lad a chance.

I have literally said he is going to be a decent PL Cb?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:27 pm

Probably going to be a decent premier league Cb.

Some people love to over egg our talent. He’s knowhere near as good as the CBs we lost this summer.

We used to play in a system that made our central defenders and goalkeeper look very good (BTW, I'm not saying that they were not very good, but the system showcased their abilities), we have a different way of playing now.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:31 pm

You can’t seriously believe he is massively better than Tarks on the ball?

I believe it 100%, there's a reason he's captained at every single England level and plays for Man City. Not sure he'll end up at City in the long run mind you

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:36 pm

I believe it 100%, there's a reason he's captained at every single England level and plays for Man City. Not sure he'll end up at City in the long run mind you

He’s good on the ball but he’s got a long way to go to be able to do what he is doing now in the premier league.

Right now I am not convinced he is good enough for that league. I think he would get physically bullied. He will bulk out as he gets older.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:31 pm

Judging off all his displays so far, not just today Vegas

you must be watching a different game to the rest of us then CC, other than a few lapses (less than Charlie Taylor or Roberts have had btw) he's doing superbly for what is essentially a very young lad - he's only going to get better too.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:34 pm

I have literally said he is going to be a decent PL Cb?

And you also said hes no where near as good as the CBs we have lost....so lets give him a chance to improve.....he's only 20

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:37 pm

He’s good on the ball but he’s got a long way to go to be able to do what he is doing now in the premier league.

Right now I am not convinced he is good enough for that league. I think he would get physically bullied. He will bulk out as he gets older.

A blade of grass is a blade of grass, he could find someones feet in a farmers field - the physicality is a completely different topic (I agree with you on that)

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:34 pm

We used to play in a system that made our central defenders and goalkeeper look very good (BTW, I'm not saying that they were not very good, but the system showcased their abilities), we have a different way of playing now.

I know what you’re alluding to but I don’t necessarily agree with that entirely - you’ve still gotta be able to be on the ball for 90 minutes constantly blocking and putting yourself on the line with how we defended in some of our games.. lesser defenders simply wouldn’t have been able to play at the level that Tarks & Mee did for all them years.

THB is a great young prospect and I’m excited to see his growth, I’m just gonna try and remain objective rather than wax lyrical because we’ve won and we’re all in a good mood

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:31 pm

You can’t seriously believe he is massively better than Tarks on the ball?

Hard to say as Tarks played under Dyche’s instructions but not sure he’d be capable of the line breaking passes he plays, they are a thing of beauty

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:40 pm

Hard to say as Tarks played under Dyche’s instructions but not sure he’d be capable of the line breaking passes he plays, they are a thing of beauty

Completely different league.

The championship has never been this bad before, the step up is massive. If he can do it the prem I would agree. But right now I can’t see him doing it at that level

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:27 pm

Probably going to be a decent premier league Cb.

Some people love to over egg our talent. He’s knowhere near as good as the CBs we lost this summer.

Of course. But he’s way better than Tarks and Mee were when they were 20. I’d also wager he’ll have a much more successful career than Collins

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:42 pm

Completely different league.

The championship has never been this bad before, the step up is massive. If he can do it the prem I would agree. But right now I can’t see him doing it at that level

Yeah right now he is where he should be at the age of 20 and the right club to develop at. But he’s already got PL eyes watching him due to performances according to Nixon.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:38 pm

you must be watching a different game to the rest of us then CC, other than a few lapses (less than Charlie Taylor or Roberts have had btw) he's doing superbly for what is essentially a very young lad - he's only going to get better too.

Well it’s not only me that’s mentioned that is it Vegas?

We’re conceding sloppy goals, our defenders have to take some of the criticism for that, no?

Off the top of my head, he was poor defensively against Hull dealing with their targetmen & balls over the top and also Blackpool (yes I know he played some amazing balls over the top to Tella) but also lost his man inside the box for their 2nd.

Still only young and I’m sure he’ll continue to progress but the premise of the OP was that he’ll go to the very top, which, is a huge claim… So I’m just providing a retort

roperclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:43 pm

Of course. But he’s way better than Tarks and Mee were when they were 20. I’d also wager he’ll have a much more successful career than Collins

Oh no doubt better at this age. The main reason I don’t think he will make the heights that the OP believes is purely down to a physical level (I don’t think he’s as quick or as strong to make it).

I doubt he will have more successful career than Collins. Collins is playing regular starting eleven football for a top ten premier league team. Harwood Bellis has some way to go to near that level.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:45 pm

Yeah right now he is where he should be at the age of 20 and the right club to develop at. But he’s already got PL eyes watching him due to performances according to Nixon.

Like i say RV...in a couple of years he will be a Premier League player....be it with us, City or some other.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:40 pm

I know what you’re alluding to but I don’t necessarily agree with that entirely - you’ve still gotta be able to be on the ball for 90 minutes constantly blocking and putting yourself on the line with how we defended in some of our games.. lesser defenders simply wouldn’t have been able to play at the level that Tarks & Mee did for all them years.

And I don't disagree with this.

THB will have more international caps than Tarkowski and Mee combined.