Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by ClaretPete001 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:09 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:55 pm
At the end of the day his time was up. He was useless and never provided any insight. He was looked after like royalty for 30 years. Go and do something else Mark and leave colour out of it.
Or as you might have put it.

A respected broadcaster for 30 years, he has enjoyed a good career and is no doubt upset at being effectively retired by the BBC. Personally, I don't think he should have brought race and age into this because it's not clear to me that either are the issue here.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Zlatan » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:10 pm

I liked him and his dry humour, but he’s had a good go at it and it’s time for him to hang up the mic and let someone else have a do

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by helmclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:17 pm

Comments like this back up my point - read the rest of the thread for some similar comments;

‘White folk are the majority. Blacks a much smaller section of society.’

‘…black folk over use in certain progs now, whether they are accomplished or not.’

I’ve no idea where you guys live or are surrounded by but it’s language like this that is totally unacceptable.

You would not talk to our manager using those terms so why use it on here?

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:34 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:17 pm
Comments like this back up my point - read the rest of the thread for some similar comments;

‘White folk are the majority. Blacks a much smaller section of society.’

‘…black folk over use in certain progs now, whether they are accomplished or not.’

I’ve no idea where you guys live or are surrounded by but it’s language like this that is totally unacceptable.

You would not talk to our manager using those terms so why use it on here?
You still haven't explained why Barnes possibly being released has anything to do with a crap broadcaster being replaced

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:46 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:17 pm
Comments like this back up my point - read the rest of the thread for some similar comments;

‘White folk are the majority. Blacks a much smaller section of society.’

‘…black folk over use in certain progs now, whether they are accomplished or not.’

I’ve no idea where you guys live or are surrounded by but it’s language like this that is totally unacceptable.

You would not talk to our manager using those terms so why use it on here?
It appears that stating facts is frowned upon now.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Bosscat » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:55 pm

People should be given a job for their ability to do said job ... Not just box ticking regardless of their age, creed, colour, sex or number of limbs, eyes, hair, teeth ...

But even so Lawrenson is still a Whinging Preston Bellend regardless 😁
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Spiral » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:07 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:55 pm
People should be given a job for their ability to do said job
Yet somehow Lawrenson managed to steal a living for decades. He's f.ucking shite. End of conversation.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Spijed » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:12 pm

Spiral wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:07 pm
Yet somehow Lawrenson managed to steal a living for decades. He's f.ucking shite. End of conversation.
Talking of stealing a living Paul Merson, loony Le Tissier (now sacked) and Phil Thompson were as thick as they came but still managed to get a job on Sky.

They didn't have a single brain cell between them.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Spiral » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:22 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:12 pm
Talking of stealing a living Paul Merson, loony Le Tissier (now sacked) and Phil Thompson were as thick as they came but still managed to get a job on Sky.

They didn't have a single brain cell between them.
I quite liked the old lot on Soccer Saturday, personally, even Paul Merson. I think Soccer Saturday aspires to be more informal and humorous than MOTD; there's an importance placed on capturing the pre-match pub banter kind of vibe and having a few clowns on the show helps this along. Mark Lawrenson is a different kind of clown. Listening to Mark Lawrenson just makes me depressed. He's a total joy vacuum, and he offers no insight worth listening to.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:33 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:46 pm
It appears that stating facts is frowned upon now.
It was his clumsy choice of language that was the problem.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:00 pm

He's had a very good run & he should gracefully bow out, he's been very fortunate to be in the privileged position he's been in with his stale insight every man & his dog know. It'll be refreshing to listen to a different voice.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Quicknick » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:39 pm

Spiral wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:22 pm
I quite liked the old lot on Soccer Saturday, personally, even Paul Merson. I think Soccer Saturday aspires to be more informal and humorous than MOTD; there's an importance placed on capturing the pre-match pub banter kind of vibe and having a few clowns on the show helps this along. Mark Lawrenson is a different kind of clown. Listening to Mark Lawrenson just makes me depressed. He's a total joy vacuum, and he offers no insight worth listening to.
Le Tissier is certainly not brainless. Listen to him being interviewed by James English.

Edit: this should have been in reponse to a post by Spijed.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Quicknick » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:40 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:12 pm
Talking of stealing a living Paul Merson, loony Le Tissier (now sacked) and Phil Thompson were as thick as they came but still managed to get a job on Sky.

They didn't have a single brain cell between them.
Le Tissier is certainly not brainless. Listen to him being interviewed by James English.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Stayingup » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:08 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:10 pm
I liked him and his dry humour, but he’s had a good go at it and it’s time for him to hang up the mic and let someone else have a do
Haha. Like who?

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Stayingup » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:17 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:01 pm
His contract wasn't renewed. Not the same thing in the slightest.
I read hes been axed. Surely even you can understand that.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:23 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:17 pm
I read hes been axed. Surely even you can understand that.
Not sure why the need to get personal, but there's only one of us not understanding the difference between getting sacked and not having your contract extended.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by bfcjg » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:37 pm

He could join the RAF. Oh hang on.
https://news.sky.com/story/raf-admits-m ... s-12705894
Crap pundit, tedious and I'd sooner listen to Deepdale duck.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by timshorts » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:42 pm

davideyresleftear wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:08 pm
Mark Lawrenson would make the Battle of Hastings sound boring if he was co-commentator. I don't believe his age has anything to do with it; it's the fact he rarely put any effort in to get better at his job.
He'd have been fine with VAR. The French were clearly offside.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by timshorts » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:48 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:20 pm
Eight hours of charges up a hill until the Saxons finally broke would test anyone tbf
That would no longer be possible. The Abbey car park has been limited to 6 hours parking since they put the new boards up in July.
Harold would have been fine as he'd have been moving his car at the time the fatal arrow turned up.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:38 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:23 pm
Not sure why the need to get personal, but there's only one of us not understanding the difference between getting sacked and not having your contract extended.
The 2 amount to the same thing whichever way you look at it the employment is being terminated, the only subtle difference being with not getting your contract renewed you are aware that 1 day you know the day is coming.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Zlatan » Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:38 am

Stayingup wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:08 pm
Haha. Like who?
Any number of ex players who aren’t up to management or coaching in any way

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:27 am

Still waiting for an explanation about what being "woke" is and why its such a trigger for so many of you?

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by daveisaclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:38 am

I have a friend who works at the BBC and he told Mark Lawrenson they wouldn't renew his contract unless he started paying zakat at a local mosque. Senior bosses knew about it but couldn't say anything due to the BBC's woke charter.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Stayingup » Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:18 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:23 pm
Not sure why the need to get personal, but there's only one of us not understanding the difference between getting sacked and not having your contract extended.
AXED. The word used. An axe is an implement for ... chopping.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:37 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:18 pm
AXED. The word used. An axe is an implement for ... chopping.
You mentioned him being dismissed (he wasnt)
Stayingup wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:45 pm
He's retirement age but what he says is that was not the reason he was dismissed.
Riley said he wasn't dismissed (he wasnt)
Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:48 pm
He wasn't dismissed.
You then said it was the same thing mentioning sacked, releaved of his duties and told to retire (none of this is the same as not having your contract renewed)
Stayingup wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:57 pm
What was it then? Sacked|? same thing? Relieved of his duties? same thing. Told to retire. Same thing.
Riley explained that not having your contract renewed is not the same thing (it really isnt)
Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:01 pm
His contract wasn't renewed. Not the same thing in the slightest.
Then you started mentioning you read he'd been axed and presumably you link that to being sacked, dismissed or told to retire (fiar enough but if that is what you are implying axed to mean then it is not the same has not having your contract renewed)
Stayingup wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:17 pm
I read hes been axed. Surely even you can understand that.
Riley tried again to explain and rightly concluded you don't seem to understand the different between getting sacked and not having a contract renewed
Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:23 pm
Not sure why the need to get personal, but there's only one of us not understanding the difference between getting sacked and not having your contract extended.
So maybe try and remember the nonsense you have already posted on a thread before trying to play semantics when you are clearly the one wrong
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:52 pm

What he said.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:13 pm

Has he been sacked then?

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:19 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:13 pm
Has he been sacked then?
Yes, they just waited until his contract had expired so they didn't have to pay him off :D

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by dsr » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:31 pm

Sacked in a legal sense is a different thing from being let go at the end of the contract. In a vernacular sense, especially after 30 years with one employer or "employer", it amounts to the same thing.

It isn't worth getting het up about whose definition of the word is the only possible definition and all others are wrong. They're both right, or can be both right, depending on context.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:33 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:31 pm
Sacked in a legal sense is a different thing from being let go at the end of the contract. In a vernacular sense, especially after 30 years with one employer or "employer", it amounts to the same thing.

It isn't worth getting het up about whose definition of the word is the only possible definition and all others are wrong. They're both right, or can be both right, depending on context.
The context here is that someone is pushing it to be sacked because it suits their agenda about it being really, really, really tough for old white heterosexual men these days

Its is hilarious, but worrying

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:50 pm

The BBC have chosen not to renew his contract as any appeal that he did have has narrowed to such an extent he's not worth employing.
He wants to dress that stark fact as an act of "wokeism", whatever that means, that's his choice - however bitter and sad.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by dsr » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:51 pm

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2021/bb ... -inclusion

It's inevitable than when the BBC has a specific policy of pursuing more BAME (awful term!) workers and by definition fewer non-BAME workers, then any non-BAME worker who loses his job is likely to think it's because of his skin colour rather than his ability. It's human nature. I don't think Lawrenson will be missed, but he obviously does.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by HahaYeah » Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:36 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:27 am
Still waiting for an explanation about what being "woke" is and why its such a trigger for so many of you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR7O877 ... L&index=73

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:39 pm

Sorry mate, I wanted an explanation, not a link to a far right hate site

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:44 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:39 pm
Sorry mate, I wanted an explanation, not a link to a far right hate site
Why do people call posters mate?
They wont be a mate, so what point are they trying to make?
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:51 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:44 pm
Why do people call posters mate?
They wont be a mate, so what point are they trying to make?
Sorry mate, I wasn't aware that I had to run it past you before I was allowed to post stuff

I use it all the time btw
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by claretandy » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:00 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:44 pm
Why do people call posters mate?
They wont be a mate, so what point are they trying to make?
It's something James O'Brien does when he's being condescending to caller's he disagrees with.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:02 pm

My word you mention James O’Brien an awful lot.

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:07 pm

claretandy wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:00 pm
It's something James O'Brien does when he's being condescending to caller's he disagrees with.
Is it?

I've used to since I was about nine mate

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:08 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:02 pm
My word you mention James O’Brien an awful lot.
He listens every day

Its well weird, it would be like me listening to Farage for three hours a day

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Bosscat » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:16 pm

Who is James O'Brien 🤔 never heard of him

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:18 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:16 pm
Who is James O'Brien 🤔 never heard of him
Ask Claretandy, he's a huge fan

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:23 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:16 pm
Who is James O'Brien 🤔 never heard of him
He does a section on his show called 'woke watch'.

You'll love it! :D

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Bosscat » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:18 pm
Ask Claretandy, he's a huge fan
Can't be @rsed Lc 🤭 who ever he is he sounds as much fun as wading through page after page of folk comparing who's ****s biggest on here, on threads that seem to descend into argument after argument over trivialities that are not the most interesting or relevant to anyone ...

Jokes and amusing threads get pulled yet threads like this keep rolling on and on 🙄

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:32 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:25 pm
Can't be @rsed Lc 🤭 who ever he is he sounds as much fun as wading through page after page of folk comparing who's ****s biggest on here, on threads that seem to descend into argument after argument over trivialities that are not the most interesting or relevant to anyone ...

Jokes and amusing threads get pulled yet threads like this keep rolling on and on 🙄
Just complain mate

Almost always gets the thread pulled

Its not a problem, I only comment on threads like these when people start going down the "you can't complain about anything these days if you are white"

Someone has to unfortunately

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Bosscat » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:32 pm
Just complain mate

Almost always gets the thread pulled

Its not a problem, I only comment on threads like these when people start going down the "you can't complain about anything these days if you are white"

Someone has to unfortunately
I'm not your mate 😉




Sorry couldn't resist that one 🤭🤭🤭
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:36 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:51 pm
Sorry mate, I wasn't aware that I had to run it past you before I was allowed to post stuff

I use it all the time btw
Basically you are just being rude then
Yet on other threads you try to come over as the clever one, not that clever then?

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:42 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:36 pm
Basically you are just being rude then
Yet on other threads you try to come over as the clever one, not that clever then?
I'm only rude to people who are rude to me mate

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:43 pm

I wonder who he used to be before he got his new username?

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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:45 pm

In the UK mate is considered and informal greeting between strangers (usually male) as opposed to addressing someone more formally as Sir, so its definitely not rude unless it is used in a context to deliberately be rude.

With that last bit in mind I can definitely understand why grumps might consider it rude.

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