Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Complaining about being axed by the BBC, for me he was boring,dull,predictable and not very insightful and fresh talent needed to come forward. However is some of yhe fresh talent even worsebthen him and is it down to quotas ?
https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/mark-l ... 53488.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/mark-l ... 53488.html
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
65 white and male... Lineker must be somewhere near that age
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
For going on 10 years now, every time I've heard him commentate he's always sounded like it was a massive effort to be there and as though his Sunday would've been better spent tending to his allotment, hardly surprising he's not been kept on IMO.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Got away with murder for years, beggars belief he got the job in the first place. Delivered one of the most miserable co commentary performances I think I’ve ever heard in the last major tournament he did. Fact he’s gone down this route sums him up and confirms the BBC eventually did the right thing.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Just from reading the thread title my first thought was “whinging”.
Reading the article didn’t shift that initial opinion an inch.
Reading the article didn’t shift that initial opinion an inch.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Been stealing a living as a pundit (I use the term loosely). Truly one of the worst ever.
He’s a Knobber as well.
He’s a Knobber as well.
Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He's always been like that - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQriRjxNKqg
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Lawrenson should have been ousted years ago.
I think there are some examples of diversification in football punditry which have had a negative impact on the ‘product’ itself (Soccer Saturday has been very poor, to me, since the alterations 18 months or so ago - I feel there was a middle ground that could have easily been reached with a few swapped out as opposed to such a wholesale change), but others such as this are well overdue.
It’s absolutely nothing to do with Lawrenson being a 65 year old white male, as he opines. It’s everything to do with the fact that he is a total unknown to the majority of young fans these days and is the most negative and boring man alive. Diversification and different viewpoints is a good and important thing, why would we want to hear the same dull points and opinions from the same tired never-were’s like Lawro?
I think there are some examples of diversification in football punditry which have had a negative impact on the ‘product’ itself (Soccer Saturday has been very poor, to me, since the alterations 18 months or so ago - I feel there was a middle ground that could have easily been reached with a few swapped out as opposed to such a wholesale change), but others such as this are well overdue.
It’s absolutely nothing to do with Lawrenson being a 65 year old white male, as he opines. It’s everything to do with the fact that he is a total unknown to the majority of young fans these days and is the most negative and boring man alive. Diversification and different viewpoints is a good and important thing, why would we want to hear the same dull points and opinions from the same tired never-were’s like Lawro?
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He's no longer relevant to today's game and today's younger fan base.
That's before you start analysing his punditry.
Everyone gets replaced at somepoint with someone younger, that's just how it goes.
The average fan would rather watch/listen to someone like Micah Richards or Roy Keane, not Lawrenson.
At least Alan Hansen retired gracefully from media work and he was much better at it than Lawrenson
That's before you start analysing his punditry.
Everyone gets replaced at somepoint with someone younger, that's just how it goes.
The average fan would rather watch/listen to someone like Micah Richards or Roy Keane, not Lawrenson.
At least Alan Hansen retired gracefully from media work and he was much better at it than Lawrenson
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He's even contradicted himself in that article.
He says no one at the BBC told him what he couldn't say, then sites a supposed example where they did.
As for Alex Scott... She's excellent!
He says no one at the BBC told him what he couldn't say, then sites a supposed example where they did.
As for Alex Scott... She's excellent!
Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Should've been potted about twenty years ago, at least.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
They’re has to be a time when you need to step aside to let others have an opportunity.
He’ll get work elsewhere.
He’ll get work elsewhere.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Somewhere like B & Qclaptrappers_union wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:05 amThey’re has to be a time when you need to step aside to let others have an opportunity.
He’ll get work elsewhere.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Amazed how long he lasted. Made a fantastic job sound like he was cleaning up sick for a living.
Not exactly noted for his tactical insights either.
Not exactly noted for his tactical insights either.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
The only person missing Lawrenson on the TV is Lawrenson.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
I think there is a place for a downbeat way of looking at football, but only up to a point
So no, he hasn't got a point
Worth mentioning thought that if people don't retire/get forced out because they are old then how does the next generations fill the gaps?
So no, he hasn't got a point
Worth mentioning thought that if people don't retire/get forced out because they are old then how does the next generations fill the gaps?
Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
But he's correct about the point he is trying to say without actually saying it, just look at soccer Saturday now. Absolute box ticking at its finest but to the shows detriment. Its awful viewing now.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Should be eternally grateful that he kept a job for anywhere near as long as he did.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He'd make the paint dry
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
And on the other side of the coin, that Saturday morning soccer show that Sky do, they have gone full on banter boy and its unwatchable rubbish
Maybe its just things are no longer as good as they used to be because the format has just aged too much?
It can sometimes be something other than something something something woke lefty stuff you know!
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He's whinging.....he's a Whinging knob....Sky retired him...Lawrenson.....enjoy your retirement you Whinging Preston bellend..
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He's a whinger.
And not even good at that.
He's just a monotonous droning noise. The sort of nothingness you get from that pap background musak in funeral parlours.
And not even good at that.
He's just a monotonous droning noise. The sort of nothingness you get from that pap background musak in funeral parlours.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He made very little go a long way did Mark.
30 years and never offered any insight.
You have feel for his family now with him being home a lot more.
30 years and never offered any insight.
You have feel for his family now with him being home a lot more.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
One of the better pundits. And he put most of the other “co-commentators” to shame. Always got the impression he never took himself too seriously, always enjoyed his wry comments.
Certainly if you put him up against the likes of Jim Beglin and Andy Townsend he’s a cut above.
Certainly if you put him up against the likes of Jim Beglin and Andy Townsend he’s a cut above.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He was being exposed for lack of detailed knowledge about the topic or club they were featuring, which is essential as a pundit, particularly as there are now some very talented pundits. So he ended up waffling and not saying anything too constructive or detailed. Another one like this is Michael Owen and Ashley Williams
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Damming with faint praise there mate!chekhov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:06 amOne of the better pundits. And he put most of the other “co-commentators” to shame. Always got the impression he never took himself too seriously, always enjoyed his wry comments.
Certainly if you put him up against the likes of Jim Beglin and Andy Townsend he’s a cut above.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Agreed he's excellent. Terrible what's happening.chekhov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:06 amOne of the better pundits. And he put most of the other “co-commentators” to shame. Always got the impression he never took himself too seriously, always enjoyed his wry comments.
Certainly if you put him up against the likes of Jim Beglin and Andy Townsend he’s a cut above.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Does smack of ageism, though and that's illegal.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:04 amAnd on the other side of the coin, that Saturday morning soccer show that Sky do, they have gone full on banter boy and its unwatchable rubbish
Maybe its just things are no longer as good as they used to be because the format has just aged too much?
It can sometimes be something other than something something something woke lefty stuff you know!
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
He both has a point and was useless. Both can be true.
Lawrenson is a dour chap with a dry sense of humour which works at times but comes across as miserable at others, and his tactical insights particularly during games aren’t of the quality needed in the modern game.
But….the BBC has history now of ousting many people of this demographic, many of whom are at the peak of their powers. Andrew Neil in political punditry is a top example. Dan Walker lives near me and is even younger than me, he got ousted from his BBC shows it was alleged (on C5 now). Harry Gration retired after “cut backs” and sadly didn’t last long in retirement. There is a common theme in all this which suggests the hand of the Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Officer. Rightly or wrongly. I profess no opinion (so we don’t move onto banned topics) other than it being EDI related.
Lawrenson is a dour chap with a dry sense of humour which works at times but comes across as miserable at others, and his tactical insights particularly during games aren’t of the quality needed in the modern game.
But….the BBC has history now of ousting many people of this demographic, many of whom are at the peak of their powers. Andrew Neil in political punditry is a top example. Dan Walker lives near me and is even younger than me, he got ousted from his BBC shows it was alleged (on C5 now). Harry Gration retired after “cut backs” and sadly didn’t last long in retirement. There is a common theme in all this which suggests the hand of the Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Officer. Rightly or wrongly. I profess no opinion (so we don’t move onto banned topics) other than it being EDI related.
Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
His point was the way they tell people.
He happened to be white, male and 65 and that seemed like an opportube moment for someone to change him out.
They did not tell him in a decent open manner.
As for his capabilities, I like him. However, I identify with him and younger folk will not. That alone, should be the reason.
The reality was that the BBC seem to over embrace equality targets, for some obscure reason.
The task is to ensure there is a mix across the whole BBC, not tailor every prog to fit equality targets.
I like fairness not bias either way.
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He happened to be white, male and 65 and that seemed like an opportube moment for someone to change him out.
They did not tell him in a decent open manner.
As for his capabilities, I like him. However, I identify with him and younger folk will not. That alone, should be the reason.
The reality was that the BBC seem to over embrace equality targets, for some obscure reason.
The task is to ensure there is a mix across the whole BBC, not tailor every prog to fit equality targets.
I like fairness not bias either way.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
I think ageism plays a part. I know he was not very one’s cup of tea as they say but he didn’t hide when asked for an opinion. Slightly o/t I remember Angela Rippon, Gloria Hunniford and Julia Somerville suddenly being shown the door, probably due to ageism, they’ve done well coming back to tv as a trio. Mark will at least have more time to play golf with his mate Mr Hansen.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Should have been sacked for being a 45 year old white man.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
‘Blacks’ and ‘black folk?’IanMcL wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:25 amHis point was the way they tell people.
He happened to be white, male and 65 and that seemed like an opportube moment for someone to change him out.
They did not tell him in a decent open manner.
As for his capabilities, I like him. However, I identify with him and younger folk will not. That alone, should be the reason.
The reality was that the BBC must have clack and women, all the time, for some obscure reason.
The task is to ensure there is a mix across the whole BBC, not every prog. White folk are the majority. Blacks a much smaller section of society. Women half but you don't see men as part of loose women. You do see women in men's football.
So women and black folk over use in certain progs now, whether they are accomplished or not.
I like fairness not bias either way.
Good grief. I feel sorry for you mate.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
But that is what you want to believe, so you seize on itCrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:14 amHe both has a point and was useless. Both can be true.
Lawrenson is a dour chap with a dry sense of humour which works at times but comes across as miserable at others, and his tactical insights particularly during games aren’t of the quality needed in the modern game.
But….the BBC has history now of ousting many people of this demographic, many of whom are at the peak of their powers. Andrew Neil in political punditry is a top example. Dan Walker lives near me and is even younger than me, he got ousted from his BBC shows it was alleged (on C5 now). Harry Gration retired after “cut backs” and sadly didn’t last long in retirement. There is a common theme in all this which suggests the hand of the Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Officer. Rightly or wrongly. I profess no opinion (so we don’t move onto banned topics) other than it being EDI related.
Only natural btw
Personally, I think Lawro was alright, but he's a pundit, and pundits have a shelf life, and he has reached it
Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
The opposite of what Lawrenson stated re white, that's all. How else do you describe a certain ethnic status?helmclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:32 am‘Blacks’ and ‘black folk?’
Good grief. I feel sorry for you mate.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Lawro is retirement age and hasn't played professionally for about 30 years. Well past his sell-by date. He's been replaced by the likes of Murphy and Warnock but I guess 'old ex-Liverpool footballer replaced by young ex-Liverpool footballer' doesn't create the headlines.
He got a nice send off, not sure what his beef is. And I didn't even mind him, he was alright.
He got a nice send off, not sure what his beef is. And I didn't even mind him, he was alright.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
The only reason for liking Mark Lawrenson is a) you are him or b) you think like him. Either way it’s not a good thing.IanMcL wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:25 amHis point was the way they tell people.
He happened to be white, male and 65 and that seemed like an opportube moment for someone to change him out.
They did not tell him in a decent open manner.
As for his capabilities, I like him. However, I identify with him and younger folk will not. That alone, should be the reason.
The reality was that the BBC must have clack and women, all the time, for some obscure reason.
The task is to ensure there is a mix across the whole BBC, not every prog. White folk are the majority. Blacks a much smaller section of society. Women half but you don't see men as part of loose women. You do see women in men's football.
So women and black folk over use in certain progs now, whether they are accomplished or not.
I like fairness not bias either way.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
I actually didn’t mind Lawrenson but I tend to prefer the dry and downbeat to the sort of gushing enthusiastic-about-everything style exemplified by Alex Scott. A matter of personal taste I guess.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Did you not consider that the reason that the demographic that tend to lose their jobs the most in TV Sport is the demographic that until very recently has completely dominated TV Sport roles. Its hardly rocket science that if 90% of the jobs are occupied by white males that 90% of the job losses will be those same white males.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:14 amBut….the BBC has history now of ousting many people of this demographic, many of whom are at the peak of their powers.
It makes me laugh about people talking about pundits and presenters getting jobs based on the colour of their skin or their gender when 20 years ago unless you were something special you pretty much had to be a white male to get the job in the first place.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
Mark Lawrenson would make the Battle of Hastings sound boring if he was co-commentator. I don't believe his age has anything to do with it; it's the fact he rarely put any effort in to get better at his job.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
You don’t describe a race of people as ‘blacks’.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
You have a point, it can only be about his age as he was useless when he was 40 but didn't lose his job then
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
It's not illegal to not renew someone's contract.
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Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
davideyresleftear wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:08 pmMark Lawrenson would make the Battle of Hastings sound boring if he was co-commentator. I don't believe his age has anything to do with it; it's the fact he rarely put any effort in to get better at his job.
Eight hours of charges up a hill until the Saxons finally broke would test anyone tbf
Re: Mark Lawrenson, whinging or has he a point ?
I’m sure Huw Edwards would cope!Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:20 pmEight hours of charges up a hill until the Saxons finally broke would test anyone tbf
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