helmclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:55 pm

At the end of the day his time was up. He was useless and never provided any insight. He was looked after like royalty for 30 years. Go and do something else Mark and leave colour out of it.

Or as you might have put it.

A respected broadcaster for 30 years, he has enjoyed a good career and is no doubt upset at being effectively retired by the BBC. Personally, I don't think he should have brought race and age into this because it's not clear to me that either are the issue here.

I liked him and his dry humour, but he’s had a good go at it and it’s time for him to hang up the mic and let someone else have a do

Comments like this back up my point - read the rest of the thread for some similar comments;

‘White folk are the majority. Blacks a much smaller section of society.’

‘…black folk over use in certain progs now, whether they are accomplished or not.’

I’ve no idea where you guys live or are surrounded by but it’s language like this that is totally unacceptable.

You would not talk to our manager using those terms so why use it on here?

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:17 pm

Comments like this back up my point - read the rest of the thread for some similar comments;

‘White folk are the majority. Blacks a much smaller section of society.’

‘…black folk over use in certain progs now, whether they are accomplished or not.’

I’ve no idea where you guys live or are surrounded by but it’s language like this that is totally unacceptable.

You would not talk to our manager using those terms so why use it on here?

You still haven't explained why Barnes possibly being released has anything to do with a crap broadcaster being replaced

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:17 pm

Comments like this back up my point - read the rest of the thread for some similar comments;

‘White folk are the majority. Blacks a much smaller section of society.’

‘…black folk over use in certain progs now, whether they are accomplished or not.’

I’ve no idea where you guys live or are surrounded by but it’s language like this that is totally unacceptable.

You would not talk to our manager using those terms so why use it on here?

It appears that stating facts is frowned upon now.

People should be given a job for their ability to do said job ... Not just box ticking regardless of their age, creed, colour, sex or number of limbs, eyes, hair, teeth ...

But even so Lawrenson is still a Whinging Preston Bellend regardless

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:55 pm

People should be given a job for their ability to do said job

Yet somehow Lawrenson managed to steal a living for decades. He's f.ucking shite. End of conversation.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:07 pm

Yet somehow Lawrenson managed to steal a living for decades. He's f.ucking shite. End of conversation.

Talking of stealing a living Paul Merson, loony Le Tissier (now sacked) and Phil Thompson were as thick as they came but still managed to get a job on Sky.

They didn't have a single brain cell between them.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:12 pm

Talking of stealing a living Paul Merson, loony Le Tissier (now sacked) and Phil Thompson were as thick as they came but still managed to get a job on Sky.

They didn't have a single brain cell between them.

I quite liked the old lot on Soccer Saturday, personally, even Paul Merson. I think Soccer Saturday aspires to be more informal and humorous than MOTD; there's an importance placed on capturing the pre-match pub banter kind of vibe and having a few clowns on the show helps this along. Mark Lawrenson is a different kind of clown. Listening to Mark Lawrenson just makes me depressed. He's a total joy vacuum, and he offers no insight worth listening to.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:46 pm

It appears that stating facts is frowned upon now.

It was his clumsy choice of language that was the problem.

He's had a very good run & he should gracefully bow out, he's been very fortunate to be in the privileged position he's been in with his stale insight every man & his dog know. It'll be refreshing to listen to a different voice.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:22 pm

I quite liked the old lot on Soccer Saturday, personally, even Paul Merson. I think Soccer Saturday aspires to be more informal and humorous than MOTD; there's an importance placed on capturing the pre-match pub banter kind of vibe and having a few clowns on the show helps this along. Mark Lawrenson is a different kind of clown. Listening to Mark Lawrenson just makes me depressed. He's a total joy vacuum, and he offers no insight worth listening to.

Le Tissier is certainly not brainless. Listen to him being interviewed by James English.

Edit: this should have been in reponse to a post by Spijed.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:12 pm

Talking of stealing a living Paul Merson, loony Le Tissier (now sacked) and Phil Thompson were as thick as they came but still managed to get a job on Sky.

They didn't have a single brain cell between them.

Le Tissier is certainly not brainless. Listen to him being interviewed by James English.

Zlatan wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:10 pm

I liked him and his dry humour, but he’s had a good go at it and it’s time for him to hang up the mic and let someone else have a do

Haha. Like who?

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:01 pm

His contract wasn't renewed. Not the same thing in the slightest.

I read hes been axed. Surely even you can understand that.

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:17 pm

I read hes been axed. Surely even you can understand that.

Not sure why the need to get personal, but there's only one of us not understanding the difference between getting sacked and not having your contract extended.

He could join the RAF. Oh hang on.
https://news.sky.com/story/raf-admits-m ... s-12705894
Crap pundit, tedious and I'd sooner listen to Deepdale duck.

davideyresleftear wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:08 pm

Mark Lawrenson would make the Battle of Hastings sound boring if he was co-commentator. I don't believe his age has anything to do with it; it's the fact he rarely put any effort in to get better at his job.

He'd have been fine with VAR. The French were clearly offside.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:20 pm

Eight hours of charges up a hill until the Saxons finally broke would test anyone tbf

That would no longer be possible. The Abbey car park has been limited to 6 hours parking since they put the new boards up in July.
Harold would have been fine as he'd have been moving his car at the time the fatal arrow turned up.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:23 pm

Not sure why the need to get personal, but there's only one of us not understanding the difference between getting sacked and not having your contract extended.

The 2 amount to the same thing whichever way you look at it the employment is being terminated, the only subtle difference being with not getting your contract renewed you are aware that 1 day you know the day is coming.

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:08 pm

Haha. Like who?

Any number of ex players who aren’t up to management or coaching in any way

Still waiting for an explanation about what being "woke" is and why its such a trigger for so many of you?

I have a friend who works at the BBC and he told Mark Lawrenson they wouldn't renew his contract unless he started paying zakat at a local mosque. Senior bosses knew about it but couldn't say anything due to the BBC's woke charter.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:23 pm

Not sure why the need to get personal, but there's only one of us not understanding the difference between getting sacked and not having your contract extended.

AXED. The word used. An axe is an implement for ... chopping.

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:18 pm

AXED. The word used. An axe is an implement for ... chopping.

You mentioned him being dismissed (he wasnt)

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:45 pm

He's retirement age but what he says is that was not the reason he was dismissed.

Riley said he wasn't dismissed (he wasnt)

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:48 pm

He wasn't dismissed.

You then said it was the same thing mentioning sacked, releaved of his duties and told to retire (none of this is the same as not having your contract renewed)

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:57 pm

What was it then? Sacked|? same thing? Relieved of his duties? same thing. Told to retire. Same thing.

Riley explained that not having your contract renewed is not the same thing (it really isnt)

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:01 pm

His contract wasn't renewed. Not the same thing in the slightest.

Then you started mentioning you read he'd been axed and presumably you link that to being sacked, dismissed or told to retire (fiar enough but if that is what you are implying axed to mean then it is not the same has not having your contract renewed)

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:17 pm

I read hes been axed. Surely even you can understand that.

Riley tried again to explain and rightly concluded you don't seem to understand the different between getting sacked and not having a contract renewed

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:23 pm

Not sure why the need to get personal, but there's only one of us not understanding the difference between getting sacked and not having your contract extended.

So maybe try and remember the nonsense you have already posted on a thread before trying to play semantics when you are clearly the one wrong

What he said.

Has he been sacked then?

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:13 pm

Has he been sacked then?

Yes, they just waited until his contract had expired so they didn't have to pay him off

Sacked in a legal sense is a different thing from being let go at the end of the contract. In a vernacular sense, especially after 30 years with one employer or "employer", it amounts to the same thing.

It isn't worth getting het up about whose definition of the word is the only possible definition and all others are wrong. They're both right, or can be both right, depending on context.

dsr wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:31 pm

Sacked in a legal sense is a different thing from being let go at the end of the contract. In a vernacular sense, especially after 30 years with one employer or "employer", it amounts to the same thing.

It isn't worth getting het up about whose definition of the word is the only possible definition and all others are wrong. They're both right, or can be both right, depending on context.

The context here is that someone is pushing it to be sacked because it suits their agenda about it being really, really, really tough for old white heterosexual men these days

Its is hilarious, but worrying

The BBC have chosen not to renew his contract as any appeal that he did have has narrowed to such an extent he's not worth employing.
He wants to dress that stark fact as an act of "wokeism", whatever that means, that's his choice - however bitter and sad.

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2021/bb ... -inclusion

It's inevitable than when the BBC has a specific policy of pursuing more BAME (awful term!) workers and by definition fewer non-BAME workers, then any non-BAME worker who loses his job is likely to think it's because of his skin colour rather than his ability. It's human nature. I don't think Lawrenson will be missed, but he obviously does.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:27 am

Still waiting for an explanation about what being "woke" is and why its such a trigger for so many of you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR7O877 ... L&index=73

Sorry mate, I wanted an explanation, not a link to a far right hate site

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:39 pm

Sorry mate, I wanted an explanation, not a link to a far right hate site

Why do people call posters mate?
They wont be a mate, so what point are they trying to make?

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:44 pm

Why do people call posters mate?
They wont be a mate, so what point are they trying to make?

Sorry mate, I wasn't aware that I had to run it past you before I was allowed to post stuff

I use it all the time btw

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:44 pm

Why do people call posters mate?
They wont be a mate, so what point are they trying to make?

It's something James O'Brien does when he's being condescending to caller's he disagrees with.

My word you mention James O’Brien an awful lot.

claretandy wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:00 pm

It's something James O'Brien does when he's being condescending to caller's he disagrees with.

Is it?

I've used to since I was about nine mate

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:02 pm

My word you mention James O’Brien an awful lot.

He listens every day

Its well weird, it would be like me listening to Farage for three hours a day

Who is James O'Brien never heard of him

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:16 pm

Who is James O'Brien never heard of him

Ask Claretandy, he's a huge fan

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:16 pm

Who is James O'Brien never heard of him

He does a section on his show called 'woke watch'.

You'll love it!

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:18 pm

Ask Claretandy, he's a huge fan

Can't be @rsed Lc who ever he is he sounds as much fun as wading through page after page of folk comparing who's ****s biggest on here, on threads that seem to descend into argument after argument over trivialities that are not the most interesting or relevant to anyone ...

Jokes and amusing threads get pulled yet threads like this keep rolling on and on

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:25 pm

Can't be @rsed Lc who ever he is he sounds as much fun as wading through page after page of folk comparing who's ****s biggest on here, on threads that seem to descend into argument after argument over trivialities that are not the most interesting or relevant to anyone ...

Jokes and amusing threads get pulled yet threads like this keep rolling on and on

Just complain mate

Almost always gets the thread pulled

Its not a problem, I only comment on threads like these when people start going down the "you can't complain about anything these days if you are white"

Someone has to unfortunately

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:32 pm

Just complain mate

Almost always gets the thread pulled

Its not a problem, I only comment on threads like these when people start going down the "you can't complain about anything these days if you are white"

Someone has to unfortunately

I'm not your mate




Sorry couldn't resist that one

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:51 pm

Sorry mate, I wasn't aware that I had to run it past you before I was allowed to post stuff

I use it all the time btw

Basically you are just being rude then
Yet on other threads you try to come over as the clever one, not that clever then?

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:36 pm

Basically you are just being rude then
Yet on other threads you try to come over as the clever one, not that clever then?

I'm only rude to people who are rude to me mate

I wonder who he used to be before he got his new username?

In the UK mate is considered and informal greeting between strangers (usually male) as opposed to addressing someone more formally as Sir, so its definitely not rude unless it is used in a context to deliberately be rude.

With that last bit in mind I can definitely understand why grumps might consider it rude.