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Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:37 pm

Noticed a few comments on social media about the 12pm kick off for the Derby game on Sunday 13th November ...
The local British Legion aren't happy about it being so near to the traditional 11am time of Remembrance, any thoughts ?

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by MT03ALG » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:42 pm

Poor choice of time and date for the match
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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:43 pm

Remembrance day has morphed into remembrance month over the last 30 years.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:48 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:37 pm
Noticed a few comments on social media about the 12pm kick off for the Derby game on Sunday 13th November ...
The local British Legion aren't happy about it being so near to the traditional 11am time of Remembrance, any thoughts ?
I do see their point, drunk, loud football fans in the town centre as well when ex veterans will be wanting to go to pay their respects at the memorial. I doubt it was ever even raised

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:56 pm

According to Labour Councillor Sue Graham, both Clubs asked Sky to reconsider, she goes on to say ..

" The Council and the Police are now faced with how to manage the annual service in ways which make it safe for the veterans, clergy, uniformed services and families to attend the service safely. "

She seems to think Football fans will be rampaging through Burnley, attacking Vicars and old soldiers wearing their medals ! :roll:
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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by ClaretPope » Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:58 pm

Very disrespectful and risky.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Loyalclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:00 pm

Discussed this with mates over a curry at the weekend. One suggested 'surely they'll have to move the rememberance service'.

Bad planning by the police/football clubs, you can't really ask them to cancel the service in town even if there is another at Towneley Hall.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:02 pm

Suspicious me thinks this may have been intentional

Hard to justify bad fan behaviour on this day and at that time
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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:47 pm

Remembrance day is Friday the 11th at 11am

Remembrance Sunday is at 11am at the Cenotaph in Burnley Town centre or up Townley take your pick where you pay your respects

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by ClaretInLeeds » Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:31 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:47 pm
Remembrance day is Friday the 11th at 11am

Remembrance Sunday is at 11am at the Cenotaph in Burnley Town centre or up Townley take your pick where you pay your respects
Can you pay your respects anywhere else, or just up Towneley/Town centre? 😉

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by IanMcL » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:13 pm

One o'clock kick off would solve the issue. A Remberance service would be over and time to make way to football.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:33 pm

Ignore social media..... Most post I saw blamed the club, even though it was sky who moved it

As with everything in life, you have a choice, pick which is most important to you, and attend that event

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:41 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:13 pm
One o'clock kick off would solve the issue. A Remberance service would be over and time to make way to football.
It wouldn't make one bit of difference, both sets of nutters who want trouble will be in town drinking from early door's weather it was 11, 12, 1 or 2 ko

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Guitargeorge » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:45 pm

I don’t think some of the lowlife of both clubs have any idea at all, just what sacrifice has been made in past conflicts. Will they respect those who traditionally remember these sacrifices on rage eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month? Or on the nearest Sunday to that? No they won’t. Very poor scheduling by Sky.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:52 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:41 pm
It wouldn't make one bit of difference, both sets of nutters who want trouble will be in town drinking from early door's weather it was 11, 12, 1 or 2 ko
What's the weather got to do with it..... The nutters would still be there...... Unless they were bussed in :lol: :lol:

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:54 pm

Guitargeorge wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:45 pm
I don’t think some of the lowlife of both clubs have any idea at all, just what sacrifice has been made in past conflicts. Will they respect those who traditionally remember these sacrifices on rage eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month? Or on the nearest Sunday to that? No they won’t. Very poor scheduling by Sky.
So what day? If it was Saturday the club would do the minute silence, where on earth could they move the game to?

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by IanMcL » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:59 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:34 pm
Labour councillor.... Say no more
Not sure what other legitimate party there should be in Burnley.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:06 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:59 pm
Not sure what other legitimate party there should be in Burnley.
Not everyone lives in Burnley surprise surprise
I've had dealings with councillors both work related and privately for over 50 yrs..... Never met a good Labour one
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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by claret2018 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:16 pm

Sorry but the world doesn’t stop for the RBL.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by bobinho » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:27 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:16 pm
Sorry but the world doesn’t stop for the RBL.
No, it doesn’t. And nor should it. And the RBL isn’t asking for the world to stop on its behalf.

Remembrance Sunday should be carved in stone, and every kid in the country should be made aware of just how important it is to remember those who gave EVERYTHING for us.

Rearranging this game to this day and this time is weapons grade ignorance. It should have been left where it was and managed accordingly. There should be NO games on Remembrance Sunday. It should be protected.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:30 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:27 pm
No, it doesn’t. And nor should it. And the RBL isn’t asking for the world to stop on its behalf.

Remembrance Sunday should be carved in stone, and every kid in the country should be made aware of just how important it is to remember those who gave EVERYTHING for us.

Rearranging this game to this day and this time is weapons grade ignorance. It should have been left where it was and managed accordingly. There should be NO games on Remembrance Sunday. It should be protected.
We also have the 11th of the 11th (Friday) at 11am

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:31 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:27 pm
No, it doesn’t. And nor should it. And the RBL isn’t asking for the world to stop on its behalf.

Remembrance Sunday should be carved in stone, and every kid in the country should be made aware of just how important it is to remember those who gave EVERYTHING for us.

Rearranging this game to this day and this time is weapons grade ignorance. It should have been left where it was and managed accordingly. There should be NO games on Remembrance Sunday. It should be protected.
A minute silence, and trumpet on the game will reach more kids than the 100 or so that attended services in Burnley at 11am.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:32 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:52 pm
What's the weather got to do with it..... The nutters would still be there...... Unless they were bussed in :lol: :lol:
Blame predicted text for that one I don't always check if it's correct lol

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:35 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:32 pm
Blame predicted text for that one I don't always check if it's correct lol
Hence the smileys
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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by CryerBFC » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:39 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:30 pm
We also have the 11th of the 11th (Friday) at 11am
Remembrance Day, is a day where 2 minutes silence is upheld.

Remembrance Sunday is the day of a memorial service, for all who gave their lives during tough times. Where families and friends come together to remember the times they had with people who paid the ultimate sacrifice, also to remember those who went before us in previous conflicts.

If you are trying to imply that 11/11 @ 1100, will suffice, you are sadly wrong.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:41 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:35 pm
Hence the smileys
I know that's why I put lol

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:45 pm

CryerBFC wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:39 pm
Remembrance Day, is a day where 2 minutes silence is upheld.

Remembrance Sunday is the day of a memorial service, for all who gave their lives during tough times. Where families and friends come together to remember the times they had with people who paid the ultimate sacrifice, also to remember those who went before us in previous conflicts.

If you are trying to imply that 11/11 @ 1100, will suffice, you are sadly wrong.
Like I've said... Whichever is most important to you, attend.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by CryerBFC » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:49 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:45 pm
Like I've said... Whichever is most important to you, attend.
Don’t worry. I’ll make sure I attend both.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:54 pm

CryerBFC wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:39 pm
Remembrance Day, is a day where 2 minutes silence is upheld.

Remembrance Sunday is the day of a memorial service, for all who gave their lives during tough times. Where families and friends come together to remember the times they had with people who paid the ultimate sacrifice, also to remember those who went before us in previous conflicts.

If you are trying to imply that 11/11 @ 1100, will suffice, you are sadly wrong.
Remembrance Day is a national day of memorial to remember and honour service men and women who lost their lives.


A two-minute silence is held at 11am on November 11, which marks the day the armistice was signed between the Allies and Germany that brought the end of WW1.

It was a tradition first started by King George V in 1919, and initially called Armistice Day.

The armistice took place on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month in 1918, which is why the UK holds two minutes of silence at 11am every November 11.

However, after the outbreak of WW2, many countries changed the name of this day, with some members of the Commonwealth choosing to call it Remembrance Day. In the UK, it is now known as both


In the UK, Remembrance Sunday is held on the Sunday nearest to Armistice Day and marked by ceremonies at war memorial across the country.

A National Service of Remembrance, which is attended by members of the Royal Family, the Government and representatives from the armed forces, is held at 11am at The Cenotaph in Whitehall.


The Royal Marine buglers signal the start of the silence by playing The Last Post and The Rouse, and it is ended by a gun salute by the Royal Horse Artillery.

It more than suffices if you want to pay your respect and it's far bigger than the "where 2 minutes silence is upheld" you quoted.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:54 pm

CryerBFC wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:49 pm
Don’t worry. I’ll make sure I attend both.
Well done

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by CryerBFC » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:09 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:54 pm
Remembrance Day is a national day of memorial to remember and honour service men and women who lost their lives.


A two-minute silence is held at 11am on November 11, which marks the day the armistice was signed between the Allies and Germany that brought the end of WW1.

It was a tradition first started by King George V in 1919, and initially called Armistice Day.

The armistice took place on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month in 1918, which is why the UK holds two minutes of silence at 11am every November 11.

However, after the outbreak of WW2, many countries changed the name of this day, with some members of the Commonwealth choosing to call it Remembrance Day. In the UK, it is now known as both


In the UK, Remembrance Sunday is held on the Sunday nearest to Armistice Day and marked by ceremonies at war memorial across the country.

A National Service of Remembrance, which is attended by members of the Royal Family, the Government and representatives from the armed forces, is held at 11am at The Cenotaph in Whitehall.


The Royal Marine buglers signal the start of the silence by playing The Last Post and The Rouse, and it is ended by a gun salute by the Royal Horse Artillery.

It more than suffices if you want to pay your respect and it's far bigger than the "where 2 minutes silence is upheld" you quoted.
I am well aware of the meaning of each of the days, and the history behind them, so thanks for googling the above.

My post was aimed at backing/understanding those who consider Remembrance Sunday to be one of the most important dates in the whole yearly calendar.

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Post by Awayfromburnley » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:24 pm

We absolutely should remember those who have served and made the ultimate sacrifice.

What I don't like is the subtle imposition that if you don't take a full day remembering those people that you are somewhow disrespectful.

Life goes on, football happens. Pubs open, shops open- can't blame either club, or even Sky for wanting the game at that time.
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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:40 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:24 pm
We absolutely should remember those who have served and made the ultimate sacrifice.

What I don't like is the subtle imposition that if you don't take a full day remembering those people that you are somewhow disrespectful.

Life goes on, football happens. Pubs open, shops open- can't blame either club, or even Sky for wanting the game at that time.
Spot on

Some people just love moaning

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by 4midable » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:42 pm

Remember at 11
Do the business at 12

Whats the problem

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Accrington claret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:49 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:40 pm
Spot on

Some people just love moaning
Yep you certainly love a good moan at the fact people want more time to pay their respects

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:51 pm

Accrington claret wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:49 pm
Yep you certainly love a good moan at the fact people want more time to pay their respects
More time ?????, go to the Burnley Cenotaph at 11, pay your respect then walk to the Turf for the 12 o'clock ko how much time do you need

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Post by Accrington claret » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:52 pm

Still moaning I see

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Post by IanMcL » Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:13 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:06 pm
Not everyone lives in Burnley surprise surprise
I've had dealings with councillors both work related and privately for over 50 yrs..... Never met a good Labour one
I am a Labour Cllr for Wiltshire and have represented my Ward/Division for 27.4 years without break and several elections. My residents - very tory area - have set aside their partly loyalty to support me. There are only 3 Labour Cllrs in Wiltshire. All 3 are very good!

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Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:22 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:13 pm
I am a Labour Cllr for Wiltshire and have represented my Ward/Division for 27.4 years without break and several elections. My residents - very tory area - have set aside their partly loyalty to support me. There are only 3 Labour Cllrs in Wiltshire. All 3 are very good!
God help your constituents. If what you've just posted is really true, then you really should be better educated than the dated terminology you used on the other thread. If you'd said you were a BNP councillor it would've explained it.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Juan Tanamera » Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:28 pm

I wonder how many of those opposed to the day and timing of the game will still be going to the game?

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by timshorts » Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:00 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:54 pm


A National Service of Remembrance, which is attended by members of the Royal Family, the Government and representatives from the armed forces, is held at 11am at The Cenotaph in Whitehall.


The Royal Marine buglers signal the start of the silence by playing The Last Post and The Rouse, and it is ended by a gun salute by the Royal Horse Artillery.
Only it isn't. It kicks off earlier than that so that the service gets to the silence parts at 11.00. I sang in the thing four times and well remember Douglas guest sweating with his watch to make sure that we reached the silence just before big Ben struck.
We were done by 11.30.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:02 pm

Will we be doing a minute’s applause in the 11th minute?

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by IanMcL » Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:27 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:22 pm
God help your constituents. If what you've just posted is really true, then you really should be better educated than the dated terminology you used on the other thread. If you'd said you were a BNP councillor it would've explained it.
Hello again Fidel. Wondered where you have been.

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Re: Remembrance Sunday Debate

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:28 am

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:27 pm
Hello again Fidel. Wondered where you have been.
Nowhere really. Hopefully you've been to brush up on your vernacular.

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