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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by daveisaclaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:04 pm

BigJay wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:05 pm
It's a season too far for Ash probably but some of the comments on this forum are a disgrace and disrespectful. And no one else has stepped up yet as a better option.
If this is a season too far what is the explanation for the last two seasons?

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:30 am

As I’ve posted on another thread, bad weather matches are ahead and will be a huge challenge to this ‘lightweight’ team. Ironically this might be Ashley’s time to make a real contribution.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Middle-agedClaret » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:07 am

Really don’t understand why we don’t have Costelloe on the bench, rather than Ashley
I know he’s inexperienced, but I think his greater pace, energy, mobility and enthusiasm would make him a better option.
Plus - he doesn’t tend to fall over when in a reasonable attacking position.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by KRBFC » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:07 am

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:14 pm
Is this the same Zaroury who was non-existent when he came on? The same Tella who had a nightmare running offside and conceding possession?

I'm not trying to argue that Ash is a great player. My argument is that VK is trying to keep JR available for as many games as possible and I think AB is the best option we have.
If you think Barnes is the best option we have then you're crazy, there's not a chance he's a better option than Tella or Dervisoglu.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Quicknick » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:10 am

Is Dervisoglu injured?

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by KRBFC » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:11 am

Say whatever you want, the number of dropped points after Barnes is introduced says it all. We are immediately under the pump when he comes on the pitch, like playing with 10 men. Was it the Blackpool game he went around the GK and then just threw himself to the ground? same again Yesterday, sat on his arse instead of taking the 1v1 vs the GK.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by KRBFC » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:12 am

Quicknick wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:10 am
Is Dervisoglu injured?
I watched both of Turkey's games in the int break, he started the first game and came on in the 2nd (the first game was full strength 11, reserves the 2nd game). He didn't come off injured.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:13 pm

Barnes has been awful for three years. I said before the season started we need to sign two championship quality strikers: I said two because I didn't think Jayrod could play a full season and I said Barnes was rubbish.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by claret2018 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:14 pm

Sell or give away in January.

Should have been sacked after the drink driving conviction.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by jen1066 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:17 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:55 pm
Dervisoglu is injured, which explains why he wasn't on the bench.
Which is something every fan should know before they post on here to be fair. It's not top secret.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by jen1066 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:18 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:14 pm
Sell or give away in January.

Should have been sacked after the drink driving conviction.
He decided to trigger an extra year on his contract. He aint going anywhere until next summer.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by warksclaret » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:23 pm

If Dervislogu is injured it makes no sense to play Barnes ahead of Costelloe. Playing Costelloe sends out a great message to all the Burnley U-21's, raises the value of the player for being 19 and playing in the Championship, and gives the lad great experience, so that when we do need to start him in an emmergency he is better prepared. Sadly we know what playing Barnes will contribute-its NOTHING. His agent needs to start earning his corn. If he goes through this season on the fringe of our team and playing poorly then he might as well hang his boots up in May

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by warksclaret » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:26 pm

jen1066 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:18 pm
He decided to trigger an extra year on his contract. He aint going anywhere until next summer.
If thats the case then file under Aaron Lennon-he will be finished as a player

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by beddie » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:34 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:14 pm
Sell or give away in January.

Should have been sacked after the drink driving conviction.
Along with Dale Stephens. By doing so Barnes couldn’t trigger his extra season.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Tribesmen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:35 pm

Ash just needs to buy a goal then he will be back banging then in again

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:58 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:07 am
If you think Barnes is the best option we have then you're crazy, there's not a chance he's a better option than Tella or Dervisoglu.
When you take off Jay, who replaces his height and presence? I don't see a clear option.

Ps. I am certainly not crazy, thank you. I have played and managed a bit at a decent level with some success. Not just computer games.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:03 pm

beddie wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:34 pm
Along with Dale Stephens. By doing so Barnes couldn’t trigger his extra season.
Did the club have legal grounds to terminate the contracts of Stephens and Barnes?

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by RVclaret » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:03 pm

Dervisoglu will be Jay’s rotation option. Very tidy player. Hope he’s back available on Wednesday.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by tiger76 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:07 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:58 pm
When you take off Jay, who replaces his height and presence? I don't see a clear option.

Ps. I am certainly not crazy, thank you. I have played and managed a bit at a decent level with some success. Not just computer games.
What height and presence he spends most of his time on the floor appealing for non-existent fouls, and he rarely even holds up the ball nowadays to bring other players into play.

As others have mentioned surely Costelloe couldn't fare any worse than Barnes has done this season.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:09 pm

That Blackpool game was the final straw for me. We have to remedy the situation in January.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by tiger76 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:18 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:09 pm
That Blackpool game was the final straw for me. We have to remedy the situation in January.
Totally agree I'm afraid, we're heavily reliant on Jay playing most if not all of our league games, which isn't an ideal place to be for a team with realistic promotion ambitions.

That said if we can get the likes of Darko, Dervisoglu and Twine fit we will certainly have other viable options up top.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:32 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:04 pm
If this is a season too far what is the explanation for the last two seasons?
He was injured for much of last season.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by claretspice » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:32 pm

Can't comment on specifics of yesterday as wasn't there.

However, the doubts about Barnes' viability are obviously real. What I would say though is that hrs not getting much of a chance to show what he can do given the circumstances in which he's being used.

Barnes has always been much better with someone close to him down the middle. Whilst at his best he's always been good at protecting the ball with his back to goal, unlike Jay he's never been a good enough footballer to find the passes necessary to link the game as a lonely striker. He's much better when there's someone - Ings, Gray, Wood, even Jay - playing closer to him in a 2.

That's not a massive tweak to Kompany"s system. He's often played 4222/442 in the past. In another world he probably ends the game yesterday with Zaroury playing up with Barnes, Bastien sitting in on the left and Brownhill doing the same on the right. In that world Maatsen isn't so exposed, and Barnes gets the sort of partnership he's always generally preferred. Suspect we'd be far more equipped to see the game out.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Gunfury » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:36 pm

Bashley getting a bashing on here…don’t blame him,he is what he is at this stage of his career,blame those who pick him and those that didn’t replace him with anything better in the past couple of seasons…one thing for sure is that it will be him that gets slagged off if he gets picked and doesn’t produce sadly

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:39 pm

It feels extremely sad and disrespectful to turn Barnes into the new whipping boy. He's been brilliant for us and even more so considering what he cost. I'm not ever going to have a "pop" at the guy who scored that amazing goal in our promotion clinching match against Wigan, netted at Old Trafford in a brilliant all round team display, did likewise at The Etihad against City, single handedly won and scored a penalty at Anfield to beat the European champions and ran the length of the pitch to finish a move he started to score a 91st minute winner against Palace, to highlight just SOME of his absolutely amazing contributions. Like happens to everyone eventually, he's had his day and his best years are behind him and tbf he should have either chosen to move or been eased out in the summer, but as others have said, the contract extension clause allowed him to stay on. That said, it's the (very astute!) manager who keeps picking him and bringing him on when he could easily just leave him out entirely and that's not really Ashley's fault. I agree he's one for the memory lane, Dyche era highlights album now, but I'm never going to slag him off.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:48 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:58 pm
When you take off Jay, who replaces his height and presence? I don't see a clear option.
The option is to keep pressing and keep the ball on the grass.
If we retain the ball we're not under pressure and we don't concede.
( I know it's not quote as simple as that, but going long ball to an immobile striker definitely isn't the answer. The ball simply comes back)
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:04 pm

What happened to Barnes when he went down off the ball on the edge of the box a few seconds before someone played a perfectly weighted ball in behind. Had he stayed on his feet, or got back on them quickly as it appeared he definitely could, he would have been in on goal. Am I being harsh or was this another instance of Barnes looking to win a cheap foul rather than actually play the game?

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:08 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:07 pm
What height and presence he spends most of his time on the floor appealing for non-existent fouls, and he rarely even holds up the ball nowadays to bring other players into play.

As others have mentioned surely Costelloe couldn't fare any worse than Barnes has done this season.
Give him a go and see.

My arguments were with this idea that it is simple to just shelve him.

Regarding pressing, yes, it's easy isn't it. Just turn up and win.

I trust VK's judgment. He sees every training session. I assume he knows what he sees.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Chobulous » Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:33 pm

Barnes has got deceptive speed.

He’s slower than he looks
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:45 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:08 pm
Give him a go and see.
What are you on about?

We gave him a go at the start of the season. He offered nothing when he started games, just as he doesn't when coming on as a sub.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:51 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:45 pm
What are you on about?

We gave him a go at the start of the season. He offered nothing when he started games, just as he doesn't when coming on as a sub.
Who are you talking about?

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:54 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:51 pm
Who are you talking about?
Barnes.

If you meant Costelloe, then I apologize for reading it wrong.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:56 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:54 pm
Barnes.

If you meant Costelloe, then I apologize for reading it wrong.
No problem. It wasn't clear. I was replying to the suggestion of giving Costelloe a go. I'm not convinced he's any better but we're still finding our way. Give them a go and see if anyone separates themselves.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:56 pm

It's clearly Barnes fault that he's picked & other better striker options aren't available. The powers that be that could have changed that fact aren't accountable so we are left with constantly bashing the bloke for trying his best!

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by LS7 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:31 pm

Definitely a club legend. A big one.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:14 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:56 pm
It's clearly Barnes fault that he's picked & other better striker options aren't available. The powers that be that could have changed that fact aren't accountable so we are left with constantly bashing the bloke for trying his best!
He's not being "bashed" or trying his best, he simply appears to be irrelevant to our present campaign.
As many posters have pointed out, his performance levels have waned and VK's side has evolved.
It happens, nobody's fault and therefore no "bashing".

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Jellybean » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:18 pm

Agree that you can't blame the player for being picked but he looks a lost soul when he comes on, probably because he knows the faking being pushed over to draw a free kick is not part of our game plan now


As others have said, I'd much rather have Costelloe on the bench, similar energy to jay so at least would be a positive sub. There must be a reason why this is not happening.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:42 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:14 pm
He's not being "bashed" or trying his best, he simply appears to be irrelevant to our present campaign.
As many posters have pointed out, his performance levels have waned and VK's side has evolved.
It happens, nobody's fault and therefore no "bashing".
It's irrelevant in terms of the end output he's producing but it's far from irrelevant the threads discussing him are testament to that, like I've said before when I find out that he's picking himself & refusing to give way my attitude might change.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:27 pm

As I said and it's clearly beyond you, Barnes appears to be irrelevant to our present campaign.
Discussion regarding what the causes of this are ie the majority of the posts are not.
As for the final point you make, I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you?
If so, please, explain.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by claretgimmer » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:09 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:39 pm
It feels extremely sad and disrespectful to turn Barnes into the new whipping boy. He's been brilliant for us and even more so considering what he cost. I'm not ever going to have a "pop" at the guy who scored that amazing goal in our promotion clinching match against Wigan, netted at Old Trafford in a brilliant all round team display, did likewise at The Etihad against City, single handedly won and scored a penalty at Anfield to beat the European champions and ran the length of the pitch to finish a move he started to score a 91st minute winner against Palace, to highlight just SOME of his absolutely amazing contributions. Like happens to everyone eventually, he's had his day and his best years are behind him and tbf he should have either chosen to move or been eased out in the summer, but as others have said, the contract extension clause allowed him to stay on. That said, it's the (very astute!) manager who keeps picking him and bringing him on when he could easily just leave him out entirely and that's not really Ashley's fault. I agree he's one for the memory lane, Dyche era highlights album now, but I'm never going to slag him off.
Absolutely spot on for me, I agree he might not be of the standard we require in this team but let`s not forget his contribution in his time here and the pleasure he has brought over that time, get off his back and wish him well, you never know he might still produce something this season that gets us something out of a game we might otherwise not have got. 8-)

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:13 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:27 pm
As I said and it's clearly beyond you, Barnes appears to be irrelevant to our present campaign.
Discussion regarding what the causes of this are ie the majority of the posts are not.
As for the final point you make, I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you?
If so, please, explain.
If you think it isn't futile deriding barnes contributions or should I say lack of crack on be my guest until another better alternative appears it won't make a blind bit of difference, we can all talk about it until the cows come home about ABs relevance he's there as an option simply put nothing more & nothing less.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:35 pm

As I said before, and I'll do it again, discussing Barnes' contribution or potential contribution - or lack of - isn't deriding anything or anybody so you blathering on about it being futile or not doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
He is, indeed, there as an option but is clearly only going to be called upon as an absolutely last resort.
Again, nobody's fault, the squad has evolved.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:00 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:35 pm
As I said before, and I'll do it again, discussing Barnes' contribution or potential contribution - or lack of - isn't deriding anything or anybody so you blathering on about it being futile or not doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
He is, indeed, there as an option but is clearly only going to be called upon as an absolutely last resort.
Again, nobody's fault, the squad has evolved.
Grow up, nobody is apportioning blame & it's common knowledge we are going in a different direction you are just repeating what's already obvious we all know the blokes past it & doesn't have a future at the club like it or not VK still thinks he's got some sort of a role to play in certain games coming on.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by houseboy » Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:50 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:02 pm
Grow up and give it a rest.
Who do we play instead?
Almost anyone who has two legs and can stand upright. The first thing he did on Saturday was foul someone. The second thing he did was……oh well he just simply isn’t up to it any more. Sorry but it’s true.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:53 pm

Bizarre that this need explaining

Yes, he was a great player for us

Guess what?

He was, and now he isn't, because players can get worse

Its beyond silly that people say we can't criticise his sub standard performances for three seasons just because he used to be good
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:59 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:53 pm
Bizarre that this need explaining

Yes, he was a great player for us

Guess what?

He was, and now he isn't, because players can get worse

Its beyond silly that people say we can't criticise his sub standard performances for three seasons just because he used to be good
Totally agree with you.
TBH we don't have a replacement yet (that is to say that we are even looking for similar), possibly because we had no choice but to extend his contract. Possibly because the budget wasn't there.
Either way I think people need to understand that we will be seeing the occasional appearance from Ashley Barnes at least in the short term.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by AfloatinClaret » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:07 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:39 pm
It feels extremely sad and disrespectful to turn Barnes into the new whipping boy...
Perhaps, but the nunkheads on this forum invariably demand one and with Josh Brownhill performing such that even the most clueless can no longer get on his back while the management team have similarly let us down with their failure to sign an obvious candidate. So, somebody has got to do the job and to be fair, Ash the bash has not exactly pulled up any trees this season.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by JimmyRobbo » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:21 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:50 pm
Almost anyone who has two legs and can stand upright. The first thing he did on Saturday was foul someone. The second thing he did was……oh well he just simply isn’t up to it any more. Sorry but it’s true.
I'm not trying to claim otherwise.

I'm suggesting that demanding he never gets near the team again and is shelved is over dramatic nonsense. He has a role to play. He's not the player he was but we don't need to whip up childish furore when things are going fairly well. We're 4th and have lost the fewest number of matches in the league. Let VK get on with what he is doing.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by IanMcL » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:47 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:11 am
Say whatever you want, the number of dropped points after Barnes is introduced says it all. We are immediately under the pump when he comes on the pitch, like playing with 10 men. Was it the Blackpool game he went around the GK and then just threw himself to the ground? same again Yesterday, sat on his arse instead of taking the 1v1 vs the GK.
The manager brings on 3 and changes the play. Nothing to do with Barnes. Manager responsible for putting opposition on front foot.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:54 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:47 pm
The manager brings on 3 and changes the play. Nothing to do with Barnes. Manager responsible for putting opposition on front foot.

That is absolute rubbish.
Cardiff stepped up their game (actually I thought they were competitive throughout the game), it happens. sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition.

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