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Ashley Barnes

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:57 pm

Sell or release in January. That is all.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:59 pm

Lot of respect for him but he’s barely league one these days

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:59 pm

Perhaps a few not good enough
Can’t close games out

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by claretcarrot93 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:00 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:57 pm
Sell or release in January. That is all.
Been a club legend but he's nowhere near anymore don't want this season to ruin the memory's. That being said would help if Maatson could defend a bit. This thread wouldn't exist then

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by 4midable » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:00 pm

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Terrier » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:01 pm

Club legend !!!! You serious?

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Belgianclaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:01 pm

Not to blame for the points loss
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:02 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:57 pm
Sell or release in January. That is all.
Grow up and give it a rest.
Who do we play instead?

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by claretcarrot93 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:03 pm

Terrier wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:01 pm
Club legend !!!! You serious?
Yes

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by NewClaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:04 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:01 pm
Not to blame for the points loss
It’s a tough one, isn’t it, because he wasn’t but he’s SO ineffective (winning nothing, throwing himself on the ground) that it’s like playing the last 30 minutes with 10 men.

I’m not sure that not being involved in the goal is good enough to say he had no involvement in the capitulation.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Raconteur » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:04 pm

We may as well go down to 10 men as soon as he steps on the pitch these days.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:05 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:02 pm
Grow up and give it a rest.
Who do we play instead?
Dervisoglu, Zaroury, Tella.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:07 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:02 pm
Grow up and give it a rest.
Who do we play instead?
Plenty of options who can stay on their feet and run with ball - and have some pace.
All important when holding onto a lead.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:07 pm

It's pretty obvious that all he needs is a lucky break and he'll be back to being the 20 goals a season striker he's always been.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:07 pm

Would rather we threw Costelloe on, at least he's mobile and would drag the centre backs around a bit.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by RVclaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:08 pm

Makes us a worse team every time he comes on. Lose any sort of control we might have. He had a fantastic opportunity to play Benson clean through but punted it way too hard straight to their keeper. Then he gets played through and he’s on the deck?
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by jedi_master » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:10 pm

Baffling decision by Kompany to bring him on today.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:14 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:05 pm
Dervisoglu, Zaroury, Tella.
One not on the bench and the other 2 played/playing.

Now be serious.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:15 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:57 pm
Sell or release in January. That is all.
No, he needs to go out on loan.
We can pay part of his wages.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by IanMcL » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:15 pm

Benson....has he got a cross in him? So much good work...then stops and waits for a pass back.

Cork and Taylor excellent. So soft when we go ahead.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:15 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:14 pm
One not on the bench and the other 2 played/playing.

Now be serious.
I'd have left Tella on and played one of the three wingers up top rather than Barnes
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:16 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:14 pm
One not on the bench and the other 2 played/playing.

Now be serious.
I thought you meant in general not just today. I think Barnes is so far past it either way.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:17 pm

Barnes was poor when he came on, but he was by no means alone, however the one thing he used to be valuable for was holding up the ball and winning free kicks, now he doesn't even offer that asset.

I assume when everyone is fit he won't even feature on the bench, and why Costelloe has suddenly been frozen out of the 1st team picture is strange also.

That said if our backline did their jobs in the closing minutes we'd have bagged all 3 points.

2 clean sheets in 11 now is a worrying stat that we really do need to rectify ASAP.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:18 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:14 pm
One not on the bench and the other 2 played/playing.

Now be serious.
He took Tella off and played Zaroury wide, so either could have gone up top, where they would be able to cause problems
They are mobile players with pace.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by LoveCurryPies » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:21 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:07 pm
It's pretty obvious that all he needs is a lucky break and he'll be back to being the 20 goals a season striker he's always been.
On what evidence do you see 20 goals a season? I’d be surprised if we see 2 this season. Sad, isn’t it.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:22 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:21 pm
On what evidence do you see 20 goals a season? I’d be surprised if we see 2 this season. Sad, isn’t it.
Sorry LCP, but my account has been hacked by IanMcL ;)

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by KRBFC » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:25 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:08 pm
Makes us a worse team every time he comes on. Lose any sort of control we might have. He had a fantastic opportunity to play Benson clean through but punted it way too hard straight to their keeper. Then he gets played through and he’s on the deck?
Easiest pass ever to Benson too, not even remotely difficult.
He's 1v1 at the end, the defender slips, Barnes is on the floor, just typical shite.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by MACCA » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:27 pm

I'm not his biggest fan but was no worse than Jay today.

The "free kick " he gave away was never a foul, and the ref realised thst and changed it to a drop ball to them, forgetting we actually had the ball unchallenged in the corner

Barnes was no way at fault for our poor last 10 mins.

Aimless punts and a GK tied to his line were far more culpable

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Paddy1882 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:32 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:25 pm
Easiest pass ever to Benson too, not even remotely difficult.
He's 1v1 at the end, the defender slips, Barnes is on the floor, just typical shite.
As much as it annoyed me that I actually felt a bit sorry for him when that happened because he’s clearly done at this level. A whole half of space to pass it into and Benson is in, but instead just makes a real mess of it. No exaggeration a bog standard amateur easily makes that pass.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:33 pm

Poor yet again today. His one strength in holding up the ball was what we needed to see the game out. Miles off it at this level sadly.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:34 pm

Hope dervisolgu is fit for Wednesday because Barnes if finished now. He’s been a great servant for us but his time is up

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:43 pm

it's not Barnes' s fault, but he is past his best.
I blame whoever gave him a season extension on his contract.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by jen1066 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:45 pm

As much as I've absolutely loved Barnes during his time at the club, for me, he doesn't make the bench anymore.

He's someone for a long direct pass to when we're trailing and we need a goal from somewhere. Well, I don't think that's going to happen enough to warrant him taking a space on the bench.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by NewClaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:47 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:43 pm
it's not Barnes' s fault, but he is past his best.
I blame whoever gave him a season extension on his contract.
Think he had the decision over the option.

But the decision to play him is clearly in VK.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:48 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:43 pm
it's not Barnes' s fault, but he is past his best.
I blame whoever gave him a season extension on his contract.
They didn't. It was automatically triggered.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:51 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:47 pm
Think he had the decision over the option.

But the decision to play him is clearly in VK.
Exactly this.
He should have been sent out on loan before the window closed.
Better to give younger players a chance.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:52 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:48 pm
They didn't. It was automatically triggered.
Yes, but someone must have accepted it's insertion as part of a contract negotiation

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:54 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:43 pm
it's not Barnes' s fault, but he is past his best.
I blame whoever gave him a season extension on his contract.
Blame Mr Dyche/Mr Garlick for that one.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:55 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:52 pm
Yes, but someone must have accepted it's insertion as part of a contract negotiation
Of course a player and his agent are going to accept an option in said player's favour... But that will have been when he signed his last contract, where many on here thought he was still good enough for the PL, never mind this level.

I don't think I can recall a player who has gone down hill so fast.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:02 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:55 pm
Of course a player and his agent are going to accept an option in said player's favour... But that will have been when he signed his last contract, where many on here thought he was still good enough for the PL, never mind this level.

I don't think I can recall a player who has gone down hill so fast.
You are right about that. Lost his pace (whatever pace he had) probably due to injury and the long period he spent out of the game.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by NewClaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:06 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:51 pm
Exactly this.
He should have been sent out on loan before the window closed.
Better to give younger players a chance.
I love Barnsey but it’s becoming one of those situations where a hero is lumbering in and ruining his legacy.

I absolutely don’t blame Ash. It’s completely understandable that he’ll want to play and also back his abilities.

His issue is VK is playing him. Or maybe it’s ALK’s fault for not backing him with Obafemi (not that I wanted him either). I’ve yet to see him make a positive contribution in the games he’s played this season. He balloons shots over, miss places passes, falls over, etc etc.

Harsh, I know, but VK needs to stop playing him.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:14 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:18 pm
He took Tella off and played Zaroury wide, so either could have gone up top, where they would be able to cause problems
They are mobile players with pace.
Is this the same Zaroury who was non-existent when he came on? The same Tella who had a nightmare running offside and conceding possession?

I'm not trying to argue that Ash is a great player. My argument is that VK is trying to keep JR available for as many games as possible and I think AB is the best option we have.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:18 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:14 pm
Is this the same Zaroury who was non-existent when he came on? The same Tella who had a nightmare running offside and conceding possession
So they couldn't have been any worse down the middle then?
And would have offered something rather more threatening than Barnes - particularly pace, which means other teams can't push up so much.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Bosscat » Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:32 pm

Terrier wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:01 pm
Club legend* !!!! You serious?
*Of course he is ... but he is now past his use-by date ... sad but true
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by BigJay » Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:05 pm

It's a season too far for Ash probably but some of the comments on this forum are a disgrace and disrespectful. And no one else has stepped up yet as a better option.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by warksclaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:19 pm

Dont think we can blame Barnes, but why does VK persevere with him. Whats happened to Dervisoglu-he is a striker who is 22 and already scored 62 goals in the top flight including 6 for his country. We are paying Brentford £1m for currently NOT even being in the squad

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:29 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:14 pm
Is this the same Zaroury who was non-existent when he came on? The same Tella who had a nightmare running offside and conceding possession?

I'm not trying to argue that Ash is a great player. My argument is that VK is trying to keep JR available for as many games as possible and I think AB is the best option we have.
Zaroury is 19 and has in his brief appearances done ok bar today. I really struggle to think of anything Barnes has contributed so far this season and last.

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Cooclaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:50 pm

His legs went around the same time his driving license did.
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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by Belgianclaret » Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:50 pm

Barnes didn't to any better or worse than Jayrod. Starved of service after we failed to apply forward pressure after our goal. And that was the exact purpose of VK with his substitutions. But both AZ and MB weren't at the races today and perhaps we needed to ship up shop with bringing on Beyer and moving Charlie to LB.
It's not an exact science unfortunately

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Re: Ashley Barnes

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:55 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:19 pm
Dont think we can blame Barnes, but why does VK persevere with him. Whats happened to Dervisoglu-he is a striker who is 22 and already scored 62 goals in the top flight including 6 for his country. We are paying Brentford £1m for currently NOT even being in the squad
Dervisoglu is injured, which explains why he wasn't on the bench.
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