174 dead in football stampede

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174 dead in football stampede

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:52 am

Awful news coming from Indonesia where at least 174 people have died after police tear-gassed supporters of Arema FC and Persebaya Surabaya

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... indonesia/

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:16 am

Terribly sad. My reading of this suggests that away fans got on the pitch and as a consequence, police followed, flooding the playing area with tear gas. This more than likely caused thousands to immediately dash in panic for the exits, resulting in crushing around the stadium. Desperately sad. A full enquiry has been ordered.

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by houseboy » Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:20 am

And we have complained about our cops at times. Tear gas in a football stadium...utterly ridiculous...it would affect even those doing no wrong and has obviously caused mass panic it seems. Very sad news indeed.

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by taio » Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:24 am

Both upsetting and disgraceful. Hard to imagine how things like this can happen. Shameful by the authorities.

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by bfcjg » Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:29 am

Terrible.

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by Stayingup » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:46 am

Terrible yes and particularly knowing that I have visited both these places in East Java numerous times. I cant take it in.

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:57 am

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:16 am
Terribly sad. My reading of this suggests that away fans got on the pitch and as a consequence, police followed, flooding the playing area with tear gas. This more than likely caused thousands to immediately dash in panic for the exits, resulting in crushing around the stadium. Desperately sad. A full enquiry has been ordered.
I believe it was the home fans who invaded the pitch and the police fired tear gas in to the home stands not just the pitch causing the panic and rush for the exits. Apparently a lot of the deaths were from suffocation due to the tear gas and not just the crush

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by Aclaret » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:12 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:57 am
I believe it was the home fans who invaded the pitch and the police fired tear gas in to the home stands not just the pitch causing the panic and rush for the exits. Apparently a lot of the deaths were from suffocation due to the tear gas and not just the crush
That's my take on it too, I saw reports that when the tear gas was fired it rose up into the top tiers of the stands, causing panic. Whatever has happened it's tragic.

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by Tribesmen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:40 pm

Really sad reading that today , did stay for a few days in Surabaya long time ago always remember a large painting in the place where i stayed of the South Korean passenger plane that was shot down by the Russians in the 80s .

Again hard to get your head around going to a football game and not coming home .

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:57 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:57 am
I believe it was the home fans who invaded the pitch and the police fired tear gas in to the home stands not just the pitch causing the panic and rush for the exits. Apparently a lot of the deaths were from suffocation due to the tear gas and not just the crush

You are quite right! Cheers

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by NRC » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:01 am

I remember attending England vs Belgium in Turin in the 1980 Euros. There was a scuffle between some non-English fans in the England end and some likely lads. It had all faded out but by then the Italian police had already decided to send in the riot police. I was near to the front of the crush where police were coming at fans weilding their truncheons and fans had nowhere to go but back towards the police…… and then they fired the tear gas in. I copped a huge lungful.

Horrible, horrible. Disgraceful how amateur authorities can be in public disturbances. So sad for these people and their families

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Re: 174 dead in football stampede

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:22 am

Insistence on a specific IQ for senior police officials would go much further than removing terracing as a measure for ensuring safety at football grounds.

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