Forest 4 down with 20 mins to go.

Who? Sleepwalker?

They look like a team of players that have been thrown together and haven't ever played with each other before. Oh, wait, hang on...........

A terrible performance.

No ones going to make that many players gel so soon.
Hes no Kompany

sacked tonight, appointed at Boro tomorrow

Forest should really make an approach for Sean Dyche while they are still within touching distance of the teams ahead of them.

Dyche in
Full circle for his band.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:39 pm

Forest should really make an approach for Sean Dyche while they are still within touching distance of the teams ahead of them.

I can’t see three teams that will finish under Forest to be fair, whoever the manager is. Would Dyche be willing to get an almost certain second successive Prem relegation on his CV?

Forest fans saying they should get Lampard in. I can really see him leaving Everton for Forest, not.

Commy wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:07 pm

Forest fans saying they should get Lampard in. I can really see him leaving Everton for Forest, not.

Nuno Espírito Santo

Commy wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:07 pm

Forest fans saying they should get Lampard in. I can really see him leaving Everton for Forest, not.

More of that famed Notts humour…

Some of their fan base went a bit Boro in the summer and started giving it the big one - they’ve soon had a rude awakening.

Did anyone really expect anything different from the play off winners?

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:27 pm

Did anyone really expect anything different from the play off winners?

Given they've splashed £150m or so in the summer, not to mention paying out sky high wages on the likes of Lingard then yes they should expect better.

Far too many changes for Forest and it's showing in their recent poor results.

The game that would have sounded the alarm bells for me was their 2nd half collapse at home to Bournemouth after they led 2-0 at the break.

But that meek surrender tonight in a big derby will surely spell the end for Cooper.

Surely it's been a particularly bad year for manager sackings? Worse than usual?

Someone on the Brighton board pointed out that their man has been in charge for 1 game, and already he's reached 82 out of 92 on the longest serving manager list (assuming the Exeter man is confirmed at Rotherham as expected). It will be 81 if Cooper gets canned at Forest.

First PL appearance in 27ish years, the man responsible is given 8 games to gel together a side with 20 new signings, many of whom he probably didn't want.

dsr wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:10 pm

Surely it's been a particularly bad year for manager sackings? Worse than usual?

Someone on the Brighton board pointed out that their man has been in charge for 1 game, and already he's reached 82 out of 92 on the longest serving manager list (assuming the Exeter man is confirmed at Rotherham as expected). It will be 81 if Cooper gets canned at Forest.

VK is 57th in the football league already.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm

First PL appearance in 27ish years, the man responsible is given 8 games to gel together a side with 20 new signings, many of whom he probably didn't want.

Any club in the bottom 3 of leagues have threads started about them for sacking their manager.

I can't remember Dyche being under so much pressure in his first PL season. He didn't win a game for the first ten either did he?

Luckily the board gave him the whole season and beyond.

John Percy reporting Rafa is linked.

They deserve him if they sack Cooper so early.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:28 pm

Any club in the bottom 3 of leagues have threads started about them for sacking their manager.

I can't remember Dyche being under so much pressure in his first PL season. He didn't win a game for the first ten either did he?

Luckily the board gave him the whole season and beyond.

After 8 games we had drawn four and conceded 13 goals. Forest have won one, drawn one, conceded 21 goals and already look relegated.

Commy wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:07 pm

Forest fans saying they should get Lampard in. I can really see him leaving Everton for Forest, not.

They might have meant Lampard Snr and not his lad, then again its Notts Forest and the lure of them winning the european cup over 40 yr ago might be too much to ignore.

Dyche was a genius. The failings of managers like Cooper put his unique skill into perspective.

Dyche should get the job on one level but I don’t see why Cooper shouldn't have longer in the circumstances after his heroics.

Location, former club, nature of the challenge, willingness to stay on if they go down - all point to Dyche. What we don’t know is what his relationship with Maranakis is like, particularly after what happened in Athens where it was a bit of a slanging match afterwards. Dyche would look past that, but would the Greek?

Would save us a few bob as well so a win win.

poison chalice for Dyche, but I suppose nothing ventured nothing gained as they say. West Brom would be a better fit for him though I think.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:32 am

Dyche was a genius. The failings of managers like Cooper put his unique skill into perspective.

What a bizarre viewpoint to think Cooper is a failure as a manager.

Aye, well, it's a great start, isn't it?
He got a relatively big club promoted, eventually, but seems, despite the vast sums, relative to us anyway, unable to cope.
Dyche did it on a shoestring, year after year.
And, if Cooper really has had to stand by and see all these players that he didn't want being signed, as one or two on here allege, then he really has been taken for a mug.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:37 pm

Given they've splashed £150m or so in the summer, not to mention paying out sky high wages on the likes of Lingard then yes they should expect better.

It's entirely that approach that should have set their expectations pretty low. They're massively overpaying average players.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:36 pm

Aye, well, it's a great start, isn't it?
He got a relatively big club promoted, eventually, but seems, despite the vast sums, relative to us anyway, unable to cope.
Dyche did it on a shoestring, year after year.
And, if Cooper really has had to stand by and see all these players that he didn't want being signed, as one or two on here allege, then he really has been taken for a mug.

Mug you must be kidding, it's all about your keeping your employers onside & sweet whilst you remain in a job & don't rock the boat & judging from the reluctance SO FAR to part company he probably did the right thing being compliant.

Aye, he'll be telling himself that in, what, four weeks when he's been potted.
"Well, at least I didn't rock the boat".....

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:36 pm

Aye, well, it's a great start, isn't it?

Same start Dyche made after taking us up before taking us down.

Cooper had some success at England youth level followed by getting Swansea in the play offs two seasons running followed by getting Forest into the Premier League for the first time in years. Regardless of what Dyche did or didnt do if you class that as Cooper failing in management then you are off your rocker

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:36 pm

Aye, well, it's a great start, isn't it?
He got a relatively big club promoted, eventually, but seems, despite the vast sums, relative to us anyway, unable to cope.
Dyche did it on a shoestring, year after year.
And, if Cooper really has had to stand by and see all these players that he didn't want being signed, as one or two on here allege, then he really has been taken for a mug.

Dyche had the luxury of a settled squad over a number of years and full control of signings until the takeover.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:28 pm

Same start Dyche made after taking us up before taking us down.

Cooper had some success at England youth level followed by getting Swansea in the play offs two seasons running followed by getting Forest into the Premier League for the first time in years. Regardless of what Dyche did or didnt do if you class that as Cooper failing in management then you are off your rocker

So being bottom of the league with not much prospect of saving Forest isn't failing?
We'll see in a few weeks, I guess.

Unless you've an extremely patient and understanding board, the maxim "He who pays the piper calls the tune"
is an inescapable fact of current football life.
Id agree Cooper needs (and deserves) more time, but patience and understanding dont really seem to be the hallmarks of the current Forest administration.

Im afraid if he doesn't turn things around dramatically, then he's a dead man walking.

Unfair, but there it is.

Absolutely. The guy may well have a successful past but if he doesn't sort his side out in the next few games, hell be gone, no question.
The Forest board clearly mean business by spending what they have and I expect they'll be pretty ruthless if and when the time comes.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:56 pm

Aye, he'll be telling himself that in, what, four weeks when he's been potted.
"Well, at least I didn't rock the boat".....

Aye some mug leaving with a payout probably collectively worth than more us both could earn in a lifetime a large chunk of it anyhow!

The biggest issue with the Forest job for Dyche could be how soon it comes up.

If Copper is sacked in the near future then there is very chance whoever takes over could be sacked by May if they don’t stay up.

I’m sure Dyche would prefer a job where if they do go down he is given a chance to bring them back up. That’s far from a given with Forest.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:36 pm

So being bottom of the league with not much prospect of saving Forest isn't failing?
We'll see in a few weeks, I guess.

Nope its not (and there is every prospect that Forest could improve) and also we are talking about now not a few weeks time.

For me Cooper would have to have a campaign where they finished adrift at the bottom under 25 pts otherwise I wouldnt class him as a failure just as I didnt class Dyche a failure when he took us down and I didnt class him a failure because of his awful last season for us.

If Dyche had taken Forest up and then got sacked after 8 games you would be saying how ridiculous it is to sack him regardless if they were bottom of the league.

Forest have Villa at home then Wolves away next two games. if they get 3/4 points from those they'll be in the pack of bottom 8 or so. It was a v bad result last night but surely not the time to ditch the manager at the moment.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:12 am

What a bizarre viewpoint to think Cooper is a failure as a manager.

Nothing of the sort was said.

"Failings" and "failure" are not the same word.

Cooper will be gone by the end of the month at the latest, the Forest defence is a shambles and that is down to the manager. Forest spent money on quantity and not quality and are now paying the price, along with a manager who as no Premier League experience

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:11 pm

Cooper will be gone by the end of the month at the latest, the Forest defence is a shambles and that is down to the manager. Forest spent money on quantity and not quality and are now paying the price, along with a manager who as no Premier League experience

it sounds like a lot of the signings weren't made my the manager

My biggest confusion is how a promoted team spends £170m (approx - plus ‘free’ transfers such as Jesse Lingard, and all the wages). Yet still has Steve Cook and Scott McKenna as it’s centre backs.

I feel for Cooper. He did a great job there last season, especially given the terrible start they made.
To have 22 players foisted on you by the Chairman's son, and I don't doubt that most of the signings Cooper wouldn't have wanted, and then be blamed for the crap performances is pathetic, but becoming so much the normal in the modern game.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:09 pm

Nothing of the sort was said.

"Failings" and "failure" are not the same word.

Eddie was attributing failings to Cooper for the poor start which newly promoted Forest have made frim only 8 games after giving them their most successful season this millennium. That in my opinion is absolutely bizarre and Coopers performance is actually no worse than how the genius Sean Dyche performed in his first 8 games managing Burnley in the Premier League

You really should stick to your childish policy of not engaging with me as it will save you from embarrassing yourself more than you usually do on here

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:49 pm

Aye some mug leaving with a payout probably collectively worth than more us both could earn in a lifetime a large chunk of it anyhow!

And how is what he's going to be paid off relevant?
I was talking about him being made a mug of as a professional football manager and being treated with disrespect and, more likely than not, disloyalty.
What you were talking about, again I have no idea.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:11 pm

Cooper will be gone by the end of the month at the latest, the Forest defence is a shambles and that is down to the manager. Forest spent money on quantity and not quality and are now paying the price, along with a manager who as no Premier League experience

Same as Fulham a few years ago, spent big money signing lots of players but none of any real quality that would've helped them stay up.

Worst part is the way Forest were lauded in the transfer window for spending so much money

Forest in recent years are on a par with Watford with how they have gone through managers.
Then they stumble across a really good manager in Cooper who manages to achieve what the previous 20 managers have failed to do. He brought them stability, some really good young players and enjoyable and exciting football for the fans.
And I use the word ‘stumble’ because there is no way a club like Forest have any kind of clever strategy in the way they appoint managers - it’s a bit like Harry Redknapp’s transfer strategy. If you buy enough players then eventually you are bound to end up with the odd good one.

They will very probably get rid of Cooper soon - not because he deserves it or it’s what the fans or players want. It’s simply because that’s what Forest do.
Cooper will be gutted as it looks like he has loved his time there and developed a real bond with the club and it’s fans. But he will be rewarded well and looks to have all the attributes to do well at another club too.

As for Forest hopefully they will get relegated and implode financially.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:35 pm

And how is what he's going to be paid off relevant?
I was talking about him being made a mug of as a professional football manager and being treated with disrespect and, more likely than not, disloyalty.
What you were talking about, again I have no idea.

He isn't being made a mug of if he does get fired which is looking likely, it's a results based business & he's had plenty of time to reverse some results & then you have to look at how much they've spent, if he gets the sack it's expected & he's only got himself to blame I'm not sure where disrespect or disloyalty fits into the equation he's been afforded ample time & backed to the hilt in the transfer market.

And your point is what exactly?

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:47 pm

And your point is what exactly?

That the bloke is no mug as you claimed, he's anything but he'll be getting a good payout & in the footballing world his reputation won't be that much damaged & because of his past achievements he'll be on some recruitments lists for other vacancies.

Christ Almighty, how many more times? My earlier post wasn't that complicated - you know, the one in which I pointed out that Cooper will have been made a mug of as a professional football manager if and when he is sacked. His board will show him neither respect nor loyalty.
Hope this helps.