Jay Rod - Surely too deep ?

[AlargeClaret]

While he’s of course under (very ?) strict orders to play deep , which he actually does well , it feels we’ve an almost constant hole in the box where the “ no 9” should be, leaving JR hardly any chances at all and even when there’s a scrap thrown he has to come from too deep , and he never was the quickest .

While we’re doing pretty well playing like this ,it’s not a huge issue , but with VK loving “ wrong foot “ wingers , It just feels like we’re not getting the best from him and being unable to kill teams off Any views ?

[jen1066]

I didn't see much of today's game as the stream was awful, but in the Stoke game we did look to lack enough options when the wide players had the ball. Like, if they whipped it in, there's a chance nobody would be there. You see a side like Man City pass it around for fun, but they can dink a ball through the eye of a needle for a striker to run on to - or they have someone ready in the box when the cross comes in.

[RVclaret]

He had two decent chances to score today to be fair

[Colburn_Claret]

He's played too deep most of the season, and maybe because he has been asked to, but what is the point of trying to get the ball wide, if we don't have bodies in the box. Bloody stupid, is what it is.

[Vegas Claret]

when he drops deep we need one of the wingers to run into the gap he leaves, they aren't doing it and it's causing problems

[Goody1975]

when he drops deep we need one of the wingers to run into the gap he leaves, they aren't doing it and it's causing problems

We have a serious lack of pace in the team without Tella, he can stretch the opposition but very few others can. Late in games we are struggling with this, as teams take more of a chance we should have the option to play it into the space they vacate.

[gtclaret]

It's a big problem, we won't score goals if it's not resolved

[Top Claret]

Jay as never ever been a striker

[beddie]

Jay as never ever been a striker

Explain?

[Top Claret]

Explain?

He always drops off deep and when he was a kid he played wide left

Good footballer with a footballers brain and a great servant to his home town club

[Taffy on the wing]

There's never anyone in the box & nobody is making runs into it either.....very strange.
We desperately need Twine or similar.

[jen1066]

There's never anyone in the box & nobody is making runs into it either.....very strange.

That's my point above. We're missing the runner.
That and a tighter defence is what's missing from all of this.

[COBBLE]

VK and co know this and signed the Brentford lad but he is obviously injured. They also bid right up to the end for an Andy Gray type striker who Jay would be 10 to feed, but refused to be taken for a ride financially. I expect them to solve this in early Jan.

[warksclaret]

He played fairly deep today, and I expect that was down to the coaches.Hes been good with a tricky poacher next to him. At WBA his partnership with Dwight Gale in 2018/19was very successful. A total of 48 goals between them in one season. Personally I think had Vydra stayed, playing in this style of football, we would have seen some partnership. Dont be surprised if we are back in for Obafemi of Swansea in January

[NewClaret]

He had two decent chances to score today to be fair

Recall the shot in to the side netting. What was the other?

[jen1066]

VK and co know this and signed the Brentford lad but he is obviously injured.

I've heard he isn't injured. Which if true is strange as it means Barnes has been preferred.

[warksclaret]

Recall the shot in to the side netting. What was the other?

It was a ball in the first half played square to him. He had to react quick, but got no power behind it and straight at their keeper. Done it a few times this season

[fanzone]

Joint top goal scorer

[NewClaret]

It was a ball in the first half played square to him. He had to react quick, but got no power behind it and straight at their keeper. Done it a few times this season

Ah yes, remember that now, thanks warks.

Was a good chance he snatched at. Off balance for both shots I think.

[COBBLE]

I've heard he isn't injured. Which if true is strange as it means Barnes has been preferred.

I hope you are wrong! Nothing personal.

[jen1066]

I hope you are wrong! Nothing personal.

It's just on social media, so nothing solid to back it up.

[Jakubs Tash]

Ah yes, remember that now, thanks warks.

Was a good chance he snatched at. Off balance for both shots I think.

He also had a chance from Zaroury’s deep cross in the second half, Vitinho headed it back across goal and Jay seem to try and let the ball come across his body to use his left foot when he probably should have just swung his right boot at it and had an easy close finish. The defender managed to get the block in and it went out for a corner.

[KRBFC]

It's just on social media, so nothing solid to back it up.

VK is quoted as saying Dervisoglu is not injured.

[jen1066]

VK is quoted as saying Dervisoglu is not injured.

That's good news. Send me the link please as need to share it with a few Clarets.

[IWOODLOVETT]

What a shame we couldn’t convince Vydra to stay - he would be perfect for this system.

[KRBFC]

That's good news. Send me the link please as need to share it with a few Clarets.

The reported was actually the one who said it wasn't injury. I assume he got that from VK


https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... y-25196403

[NRC]

If Jay is running towards our goal then Brownhill and/or both wide men need to be running towards the penalty area

[Vegas Claret]

We have a serious lack of pace in the team without Tella, he can stretch the opposition but very few others can. Late in games we are struggling with this, as teams take more of a chance we should have the option to play it into the space they vacate.

Benson would be ideal, he looks seriously quick - but this an area I hope we have the funds to address in January, this league is there for the taking imho

[COBBLE]

It's just on social media, so nothing solid to back it up.

That's interesting. Hopefully he can be ready soon.

[John Gayles Shoulder]

It's clearly a deliberate instruction from the manager and I assume VK is intelligent enough to work on its success in training

Against a back 5, a striker coming deep is to try and pull them out of position - staying up front will leave him one against three and utterly pointless. At the moment, Tella is benefitting from this and so was Brownhill earlier on (although hes looking a little off the boil recently - tired?), but clearly it needs the other forwards to get their heads around it a little better

Wasn't sure how Jay was going to perform before the season started, but I think he is the sort of player coaches love to work with and has adapted surprisingly well. VK certainly seems to think so

[RVclaret]

Recall the shot in to the side netting. What was the other?

Vitinho headed one down for him, he tried letting the ball come across him to hit with the left foot but that allowed the defender time to get a vital tackle in. Had he taken it with his right it would surely have been a goal.

[taio]

While he’s of course under (very ?) strict orders to play deep , which he actually does well , it feels we’ve an almost constant hole in the box where the “ no 9” should be, leaving JR hardly any chances at all and even when there’s a scrap thrown he has to come from too deep , and he never was the quickest .

While we’re doing pretty well playing like this ,it’s not a huge issue , but with VK loving “ wrong foot “ wingers , It just feels like we’re not getting the best from him and being unable to kill teams off Any views ?

It’s a good observation. Jay definitely played deeper - more so than in previous games. He’s going to be so important to us this season but I thought he struggled yesterday. We need him playing on the last defender.