Lightbulb moment

[CombatClaret]

I'm quite sure if the begum incidents were frequent the press would be all over it having a field day they aren't because it rarely happens, she isn't being used politically or as any sort of exception

Former Chief Superintendent of the MET Police on the news today.

"The other elements to bear in mind is there are other individuals who haven't been in the glare of publicity who have come back and have had controls put on them and it's all under the radar."

[atlantalad]

Yes we do know she'ss never visited Bangladesh and its a world of difference in terms of removing citizenship of someone born here compared with someone being granted citizenship and having it revoked.

The reason this is such a high prifile case and reached the highest courts in the land is because of how unique and exceptional it is and is fundementally different to the majority of the cases incleded in the stats you shared

If it makes no difference show me the number of UK born citizens who do not hold dual nationality who have had their citizenship revoked.

There is probably quite a bit of information not divulged by our security services in her case. Ask yourself this…. how did she manage to board a plane to Turkey? A UK passport is only issued to people aged + 16. She qualifies for Bangladeshi citizenship based on descent. Bangladeshis’ can apply for their own passport from age 6 upwards. Did she acquire a Bangladeshi passport in her own name and use it the fly from the UK to Turkey? She certainly would not have used a UK passport as she was too young.
If she did use a Bangladeshi passport to exit the UK then that’s more a reason to retract her UK citizenship.

On the other hand if she deceptively and knowingly used an elder female relatives UK passport to exit the UK then one could hardly claim she was not fully in control of her actions ( or not intelligent to know) and was groomed.

[atlantalad]

( sorry DA unsure how that tag to you message happened )

There is probably quite a bit of information not divulged by our security services in her case. Ask yourself this…. how did she manage to board a plane to Turkey? A UK passport is only issued to people aged + 16. She qualifies for Bangladeshi citizenship based on descent. Bangladeshis’ can apply for their own passport from age 6 upwards. Did she acquire a Bangladeshi passport in her own name and use it the fly from the UK to Turkey? She certainly would not have used a UK passport as she was too young.
If she did use a Bangladeshi passport to exit the UK then that’s more a reason to retract her UK citizenship.

On the other hand if she deceptively and knowingly used an elder female relatives UK passport to exit the UK then one could hardly claim she was not fully in control of her actions ( or not intelligent to know) and was groomed.

[Jakubclaret]

Former Chief Superintendent of the MET Police on the news today.

"The other elements to bear in mind is there are other individuals who haven't been in the glare of publicity who have come back and have had controls put on them and it's all under the radar."

She's trouble with a capital T that's all I need to know we should be doing everything we can to put as much distance from her & the UK as possible, as far as I'm concerned she's no longer our problem it's up to Syria & Bangladesh to deal with it's none of our business.

[JohnMcGreal]

Part of the problem is she wouldn't get a whole life tariff in jail, we all know she'd be out eventually to carry on spreading her warped ideology

Which just shows how stupid it was to strip her of her citizenship in the first place. If her crimes only warrant a few years in prison, on what planet is revoking her citizenship a proportional measure?

[Lancasterclaret]

Which just shows how stupid it was to strip her of her citizenship in the first place. If her crimes only warrant a few years in prison, on what planet is revoking her citizenship a proportional measure?

Look at this thread

You've got the, er, "usual suspects" of the loon fringe of the board, but you've also got lots of reasonable posters not wanting her back

Its political dynamite for her to lose her citizenship

Its a very cynical political exercise unfortunately

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Which just shows how stupid it was to strip her of her citizenship in the first place. If her crimes only warrant a few years in prison, on what planet is revoking her citizenship a proportional measure?

It achieves something our courts can't, keeps her off our streets

[GodIsADeeJay81]

( sorry DA unsure how that tag to you message happened )

There is probably quite a bit of information not divulged by our security services in her case. Ask yourself this…. how did she manage to board a plane to Turkey? A UK passport is only issued to people aged + 16. She qualifies for Bangladeshi citizenship based on descent. Bangladeshis’ can apply for their own passport from age 6 upwards. Did she acquire a Bangladeshi passport in her own name and use it the fly from the UK to Turkey? She certainly would not have used a UK passport as she was too young.
If she did use a Bangladeshi passport to exit the UK then that’s more a reason to retract her UK citizenship.

On the other hand if she deceptively and knowingly used an elder female relatives UK passport to exit the UK then one could hardly claim she was not fully in control of her actions ( or not intelligent to know) and was groomed.

She used someone else's passport I thought?

[Devils_Advocate]

( sorry DA unsure how that tag to you message happened )

There is probably quite a bit of information not divulged by our security services in her case. Ask yourself this…. how did she manage to board a plane to Turkey? A UK passport is only issued to people aged + 16. She qualifies for Bangladeshi citizenship based on descent. Bangladeshis’ can apply for their own passport from age 6 upwards. Did she acquire a Bangladeshi passport in her own name and use it the fly from the UK to Turkey? She certainly would not have used a UK passport as she was too young.
If she did use a Bangladeshi passport to exit the UK then that’s more a reason to retract her UK citizenship.

On the other hand if she deceptively and knowingly used an elder female relatives UK passport to exit the UK then one could hardly claim she was not fully in control of her actions ( or not intelligent to know) and was groomed.

She was smuggled in to Syria by a Canadian Spy which was then covered up by the UK intelligent services. This is one of the shocking things about the case and how its linked to her being groomed and manipulated.

I believe she had a right a to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship based on her parents up to the age of 21 amn although when Javid took the decision to strip her of her citizenship she was 19 Bangladesh made it clear they would not be granting her citizenship so she was made stateless.

Im not sure how she was meant to claim citizenship for Bangladesh when she was stuck in a camp and the court case in the UK took her past the age of 21 and so she no longer qualifies for citizenship with Bangladesh. That means that if the UK govt and courts uphold the decision to not allow back into the UK we will definitely leave her stateless

[Devils_Advocate]

You are asking the wrong person. I am not making a call in any direction. I have enough problem wading through the myth of British history as I was taught to understand it… I don’t need any more webs in my brain, thanks all the same.

No but you were making stupid comments about her living next door to people and my example was there to highlight the idiocy of your comments so you probably did best to swerve and stick to concentrating on your college work rather than this topic

[Bordeauxclaret]

https://twitter.com/rosieisaholt/status ... lgP6j9iyeA

[1882Clarets1882]

Exactly this. Too young, must have been groomed is nonsense. I'm surprised legal age for criminal responsibility hasn't been mentioned before. It doesn't matter what attracted her, she will have known it was very wrong and did it anyway. She now needs to take her medicine, including, as it's been judged legal, loss of citizenship. For something as serious as this, I'm comfortable with how it's playing out.

Just listened to the journalist who first interviewed her in 2019. He reminded listeners she showed zero remorse, was comfortable with sewing up suicide vests, still loved her husband and hoped to meet up with him again, wasn't phased in the slightest be severed heads in bins, thought the MEN arena bomb atrocity was totally justifiable and that the treatment of non-muslim women (rape , abuse, slavery and murder) was acceptable under God's law.

Since then she's undergone a rebranding of image thanks to an almost celebrity status securing BBC 10 part podcast and documentary. She's got lawyers and publicity people to persuade gullible liberals of a new narrative of victimhood through a recently arrived at "groomed" storyline. And unbelievabley people are buying it.

It doesn't say much about what those gullible liberals think of millions of apparently easily manipulated young Muslims in this country who are , using their logic, just a few mouse clicks away from getting on a plane and joining a murderous death cult does it.

[fatboy47]

Begum isn't the only one who's been systematically brainwashed here

But at least she appears to have realised it.

[Lancasterclaret]

Just listened to the journalist who first interviewed her in 2019. He reminded listeners she showed zero remorse, was comfortable with sewing up suicide vests, still loved her husband and hoped to meet up with him again, wasn't phased in the slightest be severed heads in bins, thought the MEN arena bomb atrocity was totally justifiable and that the treatment of non-muslim women (rape , abuse, slavery and murder) was acceptable under God's law.

Since then she's undergone a rebranding of image thanks to an almost celebrity status securing BBC 10 part podcast and documentary. She's got lawyers and publicity people to persuade gullible liberals of a new narrative of victimhood through a recently arrived at "groomed" storyline. And unbelievabley people are buying it.

It doesn't say much about what those gullible liberals think of millions of apparently easily manipulated young Muslims in this country who are , using their logic, just a few mouse clicks away from getting on a plane and joining a murderous death cult does it.

Replying to this idiot because he (as usual) is assuming stuff rather than reading what people actually post

Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you are blocked isn't because we all think we are better or brighter than you, but its because you don't actually engage in debates?

You just have made up your mind, based on your deeply held prejudices about everything that isn't you, and you just post that all the time

No one has said anything other than she is our problem and we should sort it

*Edit* - The grooming thing is up for debate, but you'd need more information to make a definitive call on it

[Devils_Advocate]

It doesn't say much about what those gullible liberals think of millions of apparently easily manipulated young Muslims in this country who are , using their logic, just a few mouse clicks away from getting on a plane and joining a murderous death cult does it.

What has being groomed got to do with somebody's race or religion and how would Shamima Begum being groomed lead to a train of thought that suggests it means Muslims (millions of them apparently) are therefore easily manipulated? Do you think millions of white girls are easily manipulated to be prostitutes because they are groomed and exploited for sex by older men?

Then there is the case of the 15 year old white girl who was groomed by a far white terrorist organisation to the point she was planning to carry out bombings on English citizens. The UK govt dropped all charges on the basis she was groomed and funnily enough I didn't see any outrage in the right wing press or from people like you on this forum

[evensteadiereddie]

An excellent point which puts this whole sorry thread into perspective, DA.

[elwaclaret]

No but you were making stupid comments about her living next door to people and my example was there to highlight the idiocy of your comments so you probably did best to swerve and stick to concentrating on your college work rather than this topic

Nice try.