Sounds like it...

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... r-25575605

Great news.

Great news - can't wait to see it installed in JHL Blocks 1-4

Loyalclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:40 am

Great news - can't wait to see it installed in JHL Blocks 1-4

Loyalclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:40 am

Great news - can't wait to see it installed in JHL Blocks 1-4

Surely they won't have any standing areas near the corporate hospitality boxes. Easier just to put the rails in the Cricket Field Stand.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:15 pm

Surely they won't have any standing areas near the corporate hospitality boxes. Easier just to put the rails in the Cricket Field Stand.

They will be looking at it to move the standers away from in front of the corporate seats.
There is no room in the CF at the minute for people to move.

It will be the Jimmy Mac lower.

Although you have to offer away fans as well.

They might do both?

I think the comment Doug Metcalfe makes around how it needs to work alongside any planned redevelopment is interesting.

The CF stand has had a lot spent on it in as much as you can do with a sow’s ear, but it will surely need something more extensive done to prolong its existence for another 20-30 years. I wonder if they’d consider building a corner of some sort between the CF and JH and having that be the standing area. Possibly impossible, no idea - it might work alongside an overall replacement of the roof and sides of the CF stand etc. The tunnel another issue to consider there obviously, and I’d imagine there’s no appetite for anything so expensive without an immediate PL return too.

Bout time clubs had this

"Burnley have an agreement in place to allow supporters to unofficially stand in the Cricket Field End but that doesn't apply to other areas of the ground. The potential arrival of safe standing, and the location, means the issue will be discussed while the club are already liaising with some fans."
I didn't know this but I know we have never been asked to sit down in there since the stand was re-opened to home fans. As Standing is already permitted then it would be a prime candidate for the installation of safe-standing infrastructure. At this time I cannot see the club knocking the CF Stand down for redevelopment as I don't think the site area would permit any significant upgrade to the concourses or facilities as it is too limited in size.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 25, 2022 4:39 pm

They will be looking at it to move the standers away from in front of the corporate seats.
There is no room in the CF at the minute for people to move.

It will be the Jimmy Mac lower.

Although you have to offer away fans as well.

They might do both?

I thought I’d read it had to be for home and away fans as well.

CF needs redoing

Standing has always been safe. Until poor site management alters that. Massive knee jerk reaction after the Taylor report.

This is brilliant news.

As much as I love TM it needs some serious money spending on the CF and BL to bring it up to Championship standards, never mind PL standards, so encouraging also to hear the ‘redevelopment’ word.

For me it’s an absolute no brainer to cover the CFS in it. Nobody sits in there. If it gets redeveloped, take them
out & reinstall them.

Can’t see the BL crowd fancying them or rail seats working in the two lower tiers given the hospitality, so imagine that’s the only place it could.

The Cricket Field stand must be the next project for redevelopment ... it needs replacing !

Definitely does. Well past it’s sell by date.

Longside and Jimmy Mac lower tiers are no good because they would block the hospitality areas, Long Side and Jimmy Mac Upper I think would be too steep, Bob Lord Stand residents (well, some of them!) couldn't stand that long and the directors are in there anyway, which leaves ...

I don't know how they would fit seating and standiong for away supporters, unless the front section of the Cricket Field was made seating only with standing behind them.

Of course, capacity of the facilities behind could be an issue.

If we do our usual then we’ll go for the cheapest possible option with it. The ones in Germany (Celtic went for this style too which I think is Ferco seating) look good (pics 1 & 2)and allow a lot of space and, let’s face it, the Cricket Field stand doesn’t sit down anyway so the seats are useless. They’re probably a few more quid per seat though, so BFC will probably just add a rail behind the current seats (pic 3)

Claretforever wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:00 pm

If we do our usual then we’ll go for the cheapest possible option with it. The ones in Germany (Celtic went for this style too which I think is Ferco seating) look good (pics 1 & 2)and allow a lot of space and, let’s face it, the Cricket Field stand doesn’t sit down anyway so the seats are useless. They’re probably a few more quid per seat though, so BFC will probably just add a rail behind the current seats (pic 3)

Chelsea also have the ones in top pics. They let us "beta test" when we got 1-1 before the official trial date started.

Claretforever wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:00 pm

If we do our usual then we’ll go for the cheapest possible option with it. The ones in Germany (Celtic went for this style too which I think is Ferco seating) look good (pics 1 & 2)and allow a lot of space and, let’s face it, the Cricket Field stand doesn’t sit down anyway so the seats are useless. They’re probably a few more quid per seat though, so BFC will probably just add a rail behind the current seats (pic 3)

On pic 3, the rail isn't behind the seats, it's alongside and the seats are part of the rail.

I don't think Burnley would be able to put the rails behind the seats, because of they did, they wouldn't be able to bolt them to the step. And I doubt they could get the rails to be stable any way other than bolting them to the step.

The CFS is an abomination, needs demolishing and pronto (we know that won’t /cant happen ) needs a similar stand to Jimmy Mac standing full terrace bottom and away fans 3k+ above . I suppose terracing will improve the stand a little bit won’t increase capacity .

dsr wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:09 pm

On pic 3, the rail isn't behind the seats, it's alongside and the seats are part of the rail.

I don't think Burnley would be able to put the rails behind the seats, because of they did, they wouldn't be able to bolt them to the step. And I doubt they could get the rails to be stable any way other than bolting them to the step.

Yes, I was looking for a better pic to be honest. The pic I used was really to show that style offers less tread depth for standing in. The seats just get in the way compared with the German style ones where they’re flush.

We would most likely need to buy the cricket club to do any major revamp / rebuild so imagine it would be very costly. Just having turnstiles on the sides of the stand would be unfeasible.

I hope they look at the areas that people want to stand in...CF and 1 - 3JHL and provide for all those fans , rather than choosing the wrong areas to put the barriers just out of ease or convenience.

bfcmik wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:46 pm

. At this time I cannot see the club knocking the CF Stand down for redevelopment as I don't think the site area would permit any significant upgrade to the concourses or facilities as it is too limited in size.

This has always been a reason not to fully develop it, with the cricket club behind. But I wonder if they could build the stand 'on top' of the concourse so the concourse could span the full size of the current footprint of the stand? I'm far from an architect so I'm sure there's some major flaw in this idea.

I've suggested this previously on here when discussing safe standing. The CF stand is the only viable option with what we have and I would suggest having seated areas for home and away fans adjacent to each other in the middle of the stand (with seating enforced) and then safe standing to the Stand's sides as per the crap image below (perhaps more or less seated areas that I've represented).

This would mean that the seated area becomes a natural barrier between the fans 'most likely' to be leary towards each other.

We might as well move to a new stadium outside the town if we were going to have to knock down and rebuild the CFS. If we can update the CFS as it is then great but if not lets invest in a new stadium like Bolton, Wigan or Doncaster for example

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm

We might as well move to a new stadium outside the town if we were going to have to knock down and rebuild the CFS. If we can update the CFS as it is then great but if not lets invest in a new stadium like Bolton, Wigan or Doncaster for example

Boo!

Mike Smith essentially said there would be no rebuilds in this article from December last year

In the Boardroom with Burnley FC
https://www.sportcal.com/interviews/in- ... urnley-fc/

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm

We might as well move to a new stadium outside the town if we were going to have to knock down and rebuild the CFS. If we can update the CFS as it is then great but if not lets invest in a new stadium like Bolton, Wigan or Doncaster for example

Rouwens_Weapon wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:34 pm

We would most likely need to buy the cricket club to do any major revamp / rebuild so imagine it would be very costly. Just having turnstiles on the sides of the stand would be unfeasible.

Don't know the rules, but someone stated on here that a new stands needs rear access

Wokingclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:45 pm

Don't know the rules, but someone stated on here that a new stands needs rear access

The Cricket Field Stand goes a long way back. About 40 rows, isn't it? If money was no object, a two tier stand with terracing (safe standing) at the front and seating up top (or more terracing, if preferred and if the pitch isn't too steep) could be built in less of a footprint; then, possibly with buying an extra little strip of Burnley CC, they should have room for entrances at the back. They could even overhang the top tier if it helps.

If money was no object ...

I/we have been saying this for years, but at some point, there has to be some decision made on what we’re going to do with the CFS.

Since promotion in 2009, we’ve spent millions on upgrading the CFS, from the changing rooms, tunnel, seating, roof. It’s not cost effective to keep titivating it.

What we’ve spent on the CFS in the last 10 years could’ve funded a new stand. It doesn’t need to be all singing and dancing.

I think of Fulham, and the away end there is very rudimentary. It is pretty open at the back and is really no more than scaffolding, a huge bank of seats and a roof thrown over the top.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm

We might as well move to a new stadium outside the town if we were going to have to knock down and rebuild the CFS. If we can update the CFS as it is then great but if not lets invest in a new stadium like Bolton, Wigan or Doncaster for example

Just take the roof off.

How dare they stay dry, unlike the rest of us.

Fretters wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:58 pm

This has always been a reason not to fully develop it, with the cricket club behind. But I wonder if they could build the stand 'on top' of the concourse so the concourse could span the full size of the current footprint of the stand? I'm far from an architect so I'm sure there's some major flaw in this idea.

The concourse would be much bigger of it wasn't for the changing rooms.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:38 pm

The concourse would be much bigger of it wasn't for the changing rooms.

Pretty sure the changing rooms sit on top of the concourse rather than alongside it. The issue is that the shops are tucked right up against the floor of the stand as can be seen when you get to the stairs to go up to your 'seat'

bfcmik wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:23 pm

Pretty sure the changing rooms sit on top of the concourse rather than alongside it. The issue is that the shops are tucked right up against the floor of the stand as can be seen when you get to the stairs to go up to your 'seat'

What do you mean “on top” of the concourse? The changing rooms are tucked right on the concourse at the front. I think what the other poster means is that if the corridor and changing rooms weren’t there then the refreshment kiosks would be set back further, allowing more space for the concourse.

Rouwens_Weapon wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:34 pm

We would most likely need to buy the cricket club to do any major revamp / rebuild so imagine it would be very costly. Just having turnstiles on the sides of the stand would be unfeasible.

We wouldn’t necessarily need to buy the CC, we’d just need to do a deal. Something along the lines of we get the 10-15 metres of spare (practice nets?) land behind the Cricket Field and the new stand incorporates a brand new Cricket Club pavilion with bar etc, perhaps sticking out on an angle. The CC get bigger and better facilities to make more money from events, and the FC get the land needed to extend and comply with current laws.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:08 pm

We might as well move to a new stadium outside the town if we were going to have to knock down and rebuild the CFS. If we can update the CFS as it is then great but if not lets invest in a new stadium like Bolton, Wigan or Doncaster for example

I don’t think that would work for us. Where would they build it? Towneley? Out of town? When the club isn’t doing too well it relies on local support more and more. It might be difficult getting fans to travel out of town for home games in tough times. We’d see some very low crowds in my opinion.

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:12 pm

The CFS is an abomination, needs demolishing and pronto (we know that won’t /cant happen ) needs a similar stand to Jimmy Mac standing full terrace bottom and away fans 3k+ above . I suppose terracing will improve the stand a little bit won’t increase capacity .

Terrible idea. Aesthetically it would look better but atmosphere across two tier stands is lost. The tiers can’t hear each other singing. We definitely need to retain a single tier stand for our singing section, and ven if it means plonking Exec boxes at the back.

The two old stands are the only ones that keep everyone dry.
Under no circumstances do we want a two tier CF as the bottom tier will get soaked.

A single tier stand like at Vicarage Road would be good with a low roof. No idea if there is a real need for further corporate facilities but we can only keep pumping money into a decrepit stand for so long.

NickBFC wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:23 am

A single tier stand like at Vicarage Road would be good with a low roof. No idea if there is a real need for further corporate facilities but we can only keep pumping money into a decrepit stand for so long.

I think Alan Pace wants every stand to provide an income beyond a few hours every other week. If we are to develop then we will likely have to incorporate the Cricket Club to some degree, which might make sense for all parties. If we’re going to do it though I’d prefer Exec areas at the back and a single tier. Perhaps a roof which slopes down so to keep people dry and keep the atmosphere as loud as possible.

An L shaped room going right around over the Bob Lord might work, and remove the stanchions blocking a bit of people’s views.

Claretforever wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:38 pm

I think Alan Pace wants every stand to provide an income beyond a few hours every other week. If we are to develop then we will likely have to incorporate the Cricket Club to some degree, which might make sense for all parties. If we’re going to do it though I’d prefer Exec areas at the back and a single tier. Perhaps a roof which slopes down so to keep people dry and keep the atmosphere as loud as possible.

An L shaped room going right around over the Bob Lord might work, and remove the stanchions blocking a bit of people’s views.

They don't really need a sloping roof in the Bob Lord, and to a lesser extent the Cricket Field, because it doesn't rain when the wind is blowing in that direction. I have sat on row E of both, and never had to move in the Bob Lord, and seldom in the CF - certainly nowhere near as bad as the back row of the Long Side Lower, for example.

dsr wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:43 pm

They don't really need a sloping roof in the Bob Lord, and to a lesser extent the Cricket Field, because it doesn't rain when the wind is blowing in that direction. I have sat on row E of both, and never had to move in the Bob Lord, and seldom in the CF - certainly nowhere near as bad as the back row of the Long Side Lower, for example.

The Bob Lord stand was opened nearly 50 years ago in 1974 and is still going strong.

And it has the best view in the ground.

I think they'd be better putting the standing in the North Stand Lower. with a cost involved in it surely they're better spending money on the stand that will be around longer. Probably could charge more for it there too.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:33 am

Of course, capacity of the facilities behind could be an issue.

I don’t understand how safe standing would change the capacity? Isn’t it meant to be one standing for one seated? So the capacity shouldn't change.

RickyBobby wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:45 pm

I don’t understand how safe standing would change the capacity? Isn’t it meant to be one standing for one seated? So the capacity shouldn't change.

In England, yes. In Germany, using the two step model where tread depth allows (see image), and stadiums are sometimes designed for this purpose over there, they have standing capacities around 1.7x the seating capacity. People use less space when they stand, and the extra step allows it too.