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Pele

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:06 pm

Reportedly now receiving end of life care.

I had the privilege of seeing him play in a friendly at Sheffield Wednesday. Simply the greatest player of his time.

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Re: Pele

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:11 pm

I saw the other day that he was in a bad way.


This tweet sums Pele's impact up quite well.

https://twitter.com/Hxnz99/status/15990 ... Vt9Qg&s=19
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Post by Aclaret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:18 pm

Pele.....simply the greatest footballer . My 1st memories of football was Brazil 1970, what a team, what a player.
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Post by aclaretinstevenage » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:21 pm

Pele's performances and their impact on the World Cup Finals Mexico 1970 are still for me the best I've seen. Maradona and Argentina in the same Country in 1986 close but not quite there.

It does seem to be the end this time. Very sad.

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Post by Juan Tanamera » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:22 pm

Just seen this myself, such sad news.
I think some of us 'veterans' have been blessed to see some of the greatest footballers ever.
The peak of Pele's career for me was the 1970 world cup. Beautiful.
This genius will never be surpassed in my humble opinion.
Sad times.
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Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:22 pm

He did things others don't even try......Great, Great player!

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Re: Pele

Post by bobinho » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:28 pm

The GOAT for me.

Very sad indeed. 😢

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:34 pm

Pele at the World Cup.
58 won
62 won
66 kicked out of it by Hungary and Portugal
70 won
The GOAT unquestionably. That’s a better hat trick than Geoff Hursts.

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Post by Bosscat » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:34 pm

Makes Ronaldo (whining petulant git from Madiera) look like a pub player 😉

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:39 pm

A great player and a humble gentleman
I was lucky to see him live in the World Cup games at Goodison in 1966
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Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:59 pm

It's hard to believe his best world cup goals return is only 4
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Post by Duffer_ » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:06 pm

Too young to see him play but I understand his importance and the sense of being ahead of his time. His most memorable moments, for me at least, are all misses. Banks' save, dummying the keeper, and the attempted lob from the halfway line.
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Post by basil6345789 » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:27 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:59 pm
It's hard to believe his best world cup goals return is only 4
That's cos they kicked the **** out of him every time

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Re: Pele

Post by tiger76 » Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:02 pm

I was too young to see him live, but even as a youngster I was aware of his stature within the game.

He is easily the GOAT for me given he did it in an era when tough tackling was still very much in vogue, plus the pitches were also nowhere near the carpets they play on today.
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Post by bfcjg » Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:12 pm

Such balance, dribbling shooting and pace he had it all and a genuine man.

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Post by 4midable » Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:20 pm

Hopefully brazil do well for him

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:24 pm

Pele.

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Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:09 pm

basil6345789 wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:27 pm
That's cos they kicked the **** out of him every time
All great players get the crap kicked out of them, and a hell of a lot of them have scored more than 4

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Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm

Scored 1281 goals in 1363 games.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:13 pm

3 world cups
GOAT

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Re: Pele

Post by AmbleClaret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:14 pm

Would be sad yet fitting if he was to pass whilst there's a World Cup playing.

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Post by Big Vinny K » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:16 pm

Not that many great players have scored more than 4 goals in a single World Cup.

Pele scored 12 goals in total in all his World Cup appearances but it was his performances more than anything that make him an all time great.
Maradona only got 8 goals in total but he is still best player in world ever for me - but only because I did not see enough of Pele compared to Maradona.

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Post by Funkydrummer » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:26 pm

Speaking of goals, here's 10 of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXg8P0u9W9I
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Re: Pele

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:37 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm
Scored 1281 goals in 1363 games.
True senior competitive figures are almost half that, the rest are filled in with games and goals even from his army days

The senior playing figure is played 792 scored 732, but 618 of those goals were scored for Santos in Brazil the rest come in the USA, never did it in a proper league, so in my eyes can't really be compared to someone who did

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:28 pm

If Brazil were winning World Cups and the players played mainly in Brazil, not like today, how was the Brazilian league, ‘not a proper league’?.
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Re: Pele

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:20 pm

As well as being The Greatest, he is also a great Gentleman.
So many the souless, overpaid posturing Pillocks clogging up todays game would do worse than at least try to aspire at least emulate the great man a little.

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Re: Pele

Post by KRBFC » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:27 pm

No doubt the game was incredibly easy back then in comparison to now but always gotta respect the legends who paved the way. A great of his era.

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Re: Pele

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:27 pm
No doubt the game was incredibly easy back then in comparison to now but always gotta respect the legends who paved the way. A great of his era.
How was the game easy back then, when they played with a ball that weighed a ton, on horrendous pitches and against opponents that were allowed to kick the crap out of you?

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:47 pm

If we don't win I hope Brazil do and it's the last thing he sees before dribbling off to whatever paradise he believes in.

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Re: Pele

Post by AmbleClaret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:50 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:27 pm
No doubt the game was incredibly easy back then in comparison to now but always gotta respect the legends who paved the way. A great of his era.
Christ,do you never get fed up of thinking how to talk shite.
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Re: Pele

Post by KRBFC » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:45 pm
How was the game easy back then, when they played with a ball that weighed a ton, on horrendous pitches and against opponents that were allowed to kick the crap out of you?
I think with every sport, it evolves and becomes harder. Now you have super fit athletes playing in super drilled formations and paid millions to perform. Back then it was just a kick about with a bunch of half cut smokers in comparison. I don't even want to imagine how poor quality the American league was.

No denying Pele is an icon of the sport and helped paved the way, he deserves all the respect, the best of his era. Watching 1950s football to 2022 football, it's staggering how different today's game is and how the standard has evolved.

It's no longer turn up hungover and stick the fat kid in the goal.

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Re: Pele

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:02 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
I think with every sport, it evolves and becomes harder. Now you have super fit athletes playing in super drilled formations and paid millions to perform. Back then it was just a kick about with a bunch of half cut smokers in comparison. I don't even want to imagine how poor quality the American league was.

No denying Pele is an icon of the sport and helped paved the way, he deserves all the respect, the best of his era. Watching 1950s football to 2022 football, it's staggering how different today's game is and how the standard has evolved.

It's no longer turn up hungover and stick the fat kid in the goal.
Except it wasn't a load of blokes from the pub, was it?

I don't think the likes of Banks and Yashin were just the fat kid who couldn't play upfront.

Sure, football evolves, sometimes for the better (backpass rule for example), sometimes for the worst i.e. diving, feigning injury etc, but just because they're fitter doesn't mean it's somehow harder for them now!

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Re: Pele

Post by Red Fox Rocks Socks » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:04 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
I think with every sport, it evolves and becomes harder. Now you have super fit athletes playing in super drilled formations and paid millions to perform. Back then it was just a kick about with a bunch of half cut smokers in comparison. I don't even want to imagine how poor quality the American league was.

No denying Pele is an icon of the sport and helped paved the way, he deserves all the respect, the best of his era. Watching 1950s football to 2022 football, it's staggering how different today's game is and how the standard has evolved.

It's no longer turn up hungover and stick the fat kid in the goal.
But you have to accept that the best players always rise to the top. If that’s in a chain smoking era or a vegan era. If you’re the best of your peers you’re the best of your peers
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Post by Elizabeth » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:19 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
I think with every sport, it evolves and becomes harder. Now you have super fit athletes playing in super drilled formations and paid millions to perform. Back then it was just a kick about with a bunch of half cut smokers in comparison. I don't even want to imagine how poor quality the American league was.

No denying Pele is an icon of the sport and helped paved the way, he deserves all the respect, the best of his era. Watching 1950s football to 2022 football, it's staggering how different today's game is and how the standard has evolved.

It's no longer turn up hungover and stick the fat kid in the goal.
You haven’t got a clue
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Post by Jimmymaccer » Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:08 am

Pele and Gordon Banks……..

I remember watching that with my dad and uncle then went into the back garden to “recreate” it (badly)……………
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Re: Pele

Post by Tribesmen » Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:05 am

Never saw him play , hummmm

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:21 am

Every sport is the same in terms of technical and physical development. You can only be the best of your own era tbh. Is Ronnie O’Sullivan better than Fred Davis? Is Lewis Hamilton better than Fangio? Is any modern day cricketer better than Sobers or Don Bradman?

Always subjective and driven by opinions of whether you saw them at their peak or not. Maradona was incredible in the mid 80s. Messi has been incredible for longer. Pele was probably incredible for longer than Messi. Unfortunately, we will never know and will always argue about it.

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Post by KRBFC » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:00 pm

Red Fox Rocks Socks wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:04 pm
But you have to accept that the best players always rise to the top. If that’s in a chain smoking era or a vegan era. If you’re the best of your peers you’re the best of your peers
This is absolutely true, there's no saying how good Pele could be in today's game.

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Post by elwaclaret » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:06 pm
Reportedly now receiving end of life care.

I had the privilege of seeing him play in a friendly at Sheffield Wednesday. Simply the greatest player of his time.
I have the signed programme from that friendly… Jimmy Mullen (ex- Rovers version) reported on the match for Radio Sheffield and it was among a pile of programmes he gave me, a couple of months before I first met you Tony. Be a sad day for football when it’s greatest ambassador leaves us, sad news.

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Post by Gerry Hattrick » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:06 pm
Reportedly now receiving end of life care.

I had the privilege of seeing him play in a friendly at Sheffield Wednesday. Simply the greatest player of his time.
So did I, and the penalty he scored is clearly etched into my memory to this day. Never seen one taken like that before or since.
He stood a few feet behind the ball, trotted towards it, jumped up in the air, came down with his feet moving like scissors, and by the time they' were back on the grass the ball was in the back of the net.
A remarkable player indeed.

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Post by Quicknick » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:56 pm

Sad news. The best player of an era in which there were many great players.

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Post by AlargeClaret » Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:21 pm

Such a shame during a WC as well .A remarkable player and record and always seems a genuine humble guy . It’s unfortunate “ his people “ are posting ludicrous messages from his social accounts when the poor fella is clearly closing in on his maker . They don’t make em like that anymore

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Post by Malvern claret » Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:35 pm

Like Woodleyclaret I was lucky enough to see him play at Goodson in1966. He really was kicked out of both matches, sadly it was English referees who allowed it. At least I have the memory of being behind the goal where he scored his free kick.

It was a privilege to have seen him despite the fact that his influence in that World Cup was limited.

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Re: Pele

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:09 pm
credit whoever put this together
https://twitter.com/FBAwayDays/status/1 ... hi0buVd1hA
Excellent, that.
Seen most of that footage before. Not all on one Vid though.
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Post by Conroy92 » Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:40 pm

I've never seen that overhead kick close to the end before, does he chip the defender and turn and jump onto his own touch. Absolutely outrageous goal.

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:37 am

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:37 pm
True senior competitive figures are almost half that, the rest are filled in with games and goals even from his army days

The senior playing figure is played 792 scored 732, but 618 of those goals were scored for Santos in Brazil the rest come in the USA, never did it in a proper league, so in my eyes can't really be compared to someone who did
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Post by Taffy on the wing » Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:47 am

Agent....underscore Claret can't get his head around it .....if it's not in HD.

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Post by Clive 1960 » Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:43 am

I pray 🙏 for one of my hero's I was watching when I grew up, Pele was just a genius who played the game in the right spirit.

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Re: Pele

Post by burnleychris » Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:16 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:09 pm
credit whoever put this together
https://twitter.com/FBAwayDays/status/1 ... hi0buVd1hA
Somebody actually replied with:
"Doubt he could’ve done any of that with today’s tactics."

He should be banned from watching or commenting on football for 10 years.
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