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Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:06 pm
by ClaretTony
Reportedly now receiving end of life care.
I had the privilege of seeing him play in a friendly at Sheffield Wednesday. Simply the greatest player of his time.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:11 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
I saw the other day that he was in a bad way.
This tweet sums Pele's impact up quite well.
https://twitter.com/Hxnz99/status/15990 ... Vt9Qg&s=19
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:18 pm
by Aclaret
Pele.....simply the greatest footballer . My 1st memories of football was Brazil 1970, what a team, what a player.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:21 pm
by aclaretinstevenage
Pele's performances and their impact on the World Cup Finals Mexico 1970 are still for me the best I've seen. Maradona and Argentina in the same Country in 1986 close but not quite there.
It does seem to be the end this time. Very sad.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:22 pm
by Juan Tanamera
Just seen this myself, such sad news.
I think some of us 'veterans' have been blessed to see some of the greatest footballers ever.
The peak of Pele's career for me was the 1970 world cup. Beautiful.
This genius will never be surpassed in my humble opinion.
Sad times.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:22 pm
by Taffy on the wing
He did things others don't even try......Great, Great player!
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:28 pm
by bobinho
The GOAT for me.
Very sad indeed.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:34 pm
by Tricky Trevor
Pele at the World Cup.
58 won
62 won
66 kicked out of it by Hungary and Portugal
70 won
The GOAT unquestionably. That’s a better hat trick than Geoff Hursts.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:34 pm
by Bosscat
Makes Ronaldo (whining petulant git from Madiera) look like a pub player
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:39 pm
by Woodleyclaret
A great player and a humble gentleman
I was lucky to see him live in the World Cup games at Goodison in 1966
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:59 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
It's hard to believe his best world cup goals return is only 4
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:06 pm
by Duffer_
Too young to see him play but I understand his importance and the sense of being ahead of his time. His most memorable moments, for me at least, are all misses. Banks' save, dummying the keeper, and the attempted lob from the halfway line.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:27 pm
by basil6345789
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:59 pm
It's hard to believe his best world cup goals return is only 4
That's cos they kicked the **** out of him every time
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:02 pm
by tiger76
I was too young to see him live, but even as a youngster I was aware of his stature within the game.
He is easily the GOAT for me given he did it in an era when tough tackling was still very much in vogue, plus the pitches were also nowhere near the carpets they play on today.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:12 pm
by bfcjg
Such balance, dribbling shooting and pace he had it all and a genuine man.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:20 pm
by 4midable
Hopefully brazil do well for him
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:24 pm
by Wile E Coyote
Pele.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:09 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
basil6345789 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:27 pm
That's cos they kicked the **** out of him every time
All great players get the crap kicked out of them, and a hell of a lot of them have scored more than 4
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm
by Cirrus_Minor
Scored 1281 goals in 1363 games.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:13 pm
by Burnley1989
3 world cups
GOAT
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:14 pm
by AmbleClaret
Would be sad yet fitting if he was to pass whilst there's a World Cup playing.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:16 pm
by Big Vinny K
Not that many great players have scored more than 4 goals in a single World Cup.
Pele scored 12 goals in total in all his World Cup appearances but it was his performances more than anything that make him an all time great.
Maradona only got 8 goals in total but he is still best player in world ever for me - but only because I did not see enough of Pele compared to Maradona.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:26 pm
by Funkydrummer
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:37 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm
Scored 1281 goals in 1363 games.
True senior competitive figures are almost half that, the rest are filled in with games and goals even from his army days
The senior playing figure is played 792 scored 732, but 618 of those goals were scored for Santos in Brazil the rest come in the USA, never did it in a proper league, so in my eyes can't really be compared to someone who did
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:28 pm
by Darnhill Claret
If Brazil were winning World Cups and the players played mainly in Brazil, not like today, how was the Brazilian league, ‘not a proper league’?.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:20 pm
by Buxtonclaret
As well as being The Greatest, he is also a great Gentleman.
So many the souless, overpaid posturing Pillocks clogging up todays game would do worse than at least try to aspire at least emulate the great man a little.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:27 pm
by KRBFC
No doubt the game was incredibly easy back then in comparison to now but always gotta respect the legends who paved the way. A great of his era.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:45 pm
by fidelcastro
KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:27 pm
No doubt the game was incredibly easy back then in comparison to now but always gotta respect the legends who paved the way. A great of his era.
How was the game easy back then, when they played with a ball that weighed a ton, on horrendous pitches and against opponents that were allowed to kick the crap out of you?
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:47 pm
by bfcjg
If we don't win I hope Brazil do and it's the last thing he sees before dribbling off to whatever paradise he believes in.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:50 pm
by AmbleClaret
KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:27 pm
No doubt the game was incredibly easy back then in comparison to now but always gotta respect the legends who paved the way. A great of his era.
Christ,do you never get fed up of thinking how to talk shite.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
by KRBFC
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:45 pm
How was the game easy back then, when they played with a ball that weighed a ton, on horrendous pitches and against opponents that were allowed to kick the crap out of you?
I think with every sport, it evolves and becomes harder. Now you have super fit athletes playing in super drilled formations and paid millions to perform. Back then it was just a kick about with a bunch of half cut smokers in comparison. I don't even want to imagine how poor quality the American league was.
No denying Pele is an icon of the sport and helped paved the way, he deserves all the respect, the best of his era. Watching 1950s football to 2022 football, it's staggering how different today's game is and how the standard has evolved.
It's no longer turn up hungover and stick the fat kid in the goal.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:02 pm
by fidelcastro
KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
I think with every sport, it evolves and becomes harder. Now you have super fit athletes playing in super drilled formations and paid millions to perform. Back then it was just a kick about with a bunch of half cut smokers in comparison. I don't even want to imagine how poor quality the American league was.
No denying Pele is an icon of the sport and helped paved the way, he deserves all the respect, the best of his era. Watching 1950s football to 2022 football, it's staggering how different today's game is and how the standard has evolved.
It's no longer turn up hungover and stick the fat kid in the goal.
Except it wasn't a load of blokes from the pub, was it?
I don't think the likes of Banks and Yashin were just the fat kid who couldn't play upfront.
Sure, football evolves, sometimes for the better (backpass rule for example), sometimes for the worst i.e. diving, feigning injury etc, but just because they're fitter doesn't mean it's somehow harder for them now!
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:04 pm
by Red Fox Rocks Socks
KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
I think with every sport, it evolves and becomes harder. Now you have super fit athletes playing in super drilled formations and paid millions to perform. Back then it was just a kick about with a bunch of half cut smokers in comparison. I don't even want to imagine how poor quality the American league was.
No denying Pele is an icon of the sport and helped paved the way, he deserves all the respect, the best of his era. Watching 1950s football to 2022 football, it's staggering how different today's game is and how the standard has evolved.
It's no longer turn up hungover and stick the fat kid in the goal.
But you have to accept that the best players always rise to the top. If that’s in a chain smoking era or a vegan era. If you’re the best of your peers you’re the best of your peers
Re: Pele
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:19 pm
by Elizabeth
KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
I think with every sport, it evolves and becomes harder. Now you have super fit athletes playing in super drilled formations and paid millions to perform. Back then it was just a kick about with a bunch of half cut smokers in comparison. I don't even want to imagine how poor quality the American league was.
No denying Pele is an icon of the sport and helped paved the way, he deserves all the respect, the best of his era. Watching 1950s football to 2022 football, it's staggering how different today's game is and how the standard has evolved.
It's no longer turn up hungover and stick the fat kid in the goal.
You haven’t got a clue
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:08 am
by Jimmymaccer
Pele and Gordon Banks……..
I remember watching that with my dad and uncle then went into the back garden to “recreate” it (badly)……………
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:05 am
by Tribesmen
Never saw him play , hummmm
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:21 am
by Hibsclaret
Every sport is the same in terms of technical and physical development. You can only be the best of your own era tbh. Is Ronnie O’Sullivan better than Fred Davis? Is Lewis Hamilton better than Fangio? Is any modern day cricketer better than Sobers or Don Bradman?
Always subjective and driven by opinions of whether you saw them at their peak or not. Maradona was incredible in the mid 80s. Messi has been incredible for longer. Pele was probably incredible for longer than Messi. Unfortunately, we will never know and will always argue about it.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:00 pm
by KRBFC
Red Fox Rocks Socks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:04 pm
But you have to accept that the best players always rise to the top. If that’s in a chain smoking era or a vegan era. If you’re the best of your peers you’re the best of your peers
This is absolutely true, there's no saying how good Pele could be in today's game.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:40 pm
by elwaclaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:06 pm
Reportedly now receiving end of life care.
I had the privilege of seeing him play in a friendly at Sheffield Wednesday. Simply the greatest player of his time.
I have the signed programme from that friendly… Jimmy Mullen (ex- Rovers version) reported on the match for Radio Sheffield and it was among a pile of programmes he gave me, a couple of months before I first met you Tony. Be a sad day for football when it’s greatest ambassador leaves us, sad news.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:44 pm
by Gerry Hattrick
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:06 pm
Reportedly now receiving end of life care.
I had the privilege of seeing him play in a friendly at Sheffield Wednesday. Simply the greatest player of his time.
So did I, and the penalty he scored is clearly etched into my memory to this day. Never seen one taken like that before or since.
He stood a few feet behind the ball, trotted towards it, jumped up in the air, came down with his feet moving like scissors, and by the time they' were back on the grass the ball was in the back of the net.
A remarkable player indeed.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:56 pm
by Quicknick
Sad news. The best player of an era in which there were many great players.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:21 pm
by AlargeClaret
Such a shame during a WC as well .A remarkable player and record and always seems a genuine humble guy . It’s unfortunate “ his people “ are posting ludicrous messages from his social accounts when the poor fella is clearly closing in on his maker . They don’t make em like that anymore
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:35 pm
by Malvern claret
Like Woodleyclaret I was lucky enough to see him play at Goodson in1966. He really was kicked out of both matches, sadly it was English referees who allowed it. At least I have the memory of being behind the goal where he scored his free kick.
It was a privilege to have seen him despite the fact that his influence in that World Cup was limited.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:09 pm
by Vegas Claret
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:30 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Excellent, that.
Seen most of that footage before. Not all on one Vid though.
Re: Pele
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:40 pm
by Conroy92
I've never seen that overhead kick close to the end before, does he chip the defender and turn and jump onto his own touch. Absolutely outrageous goal.
Re: Pele
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:37 am
by Taffy on the wing
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:37 pm
True senior competitive figures are almost half that, the rest are filled in with games and goals even from his army days
The senior playing figure is played 792 scored 732, but 618 of those goals were scored for Santos in Brazil the rest come in the USA, never did it in a proper league, so in my eyes can't really be compared to someone who did
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....try a different bait pal.
Re: Pele
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:47 am
by Taffy on the wing
Agent....underscore Claret can't get his head around it .....if it's not in HD.
Re: Pele
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:43 am
by Clive 1960
I pray
for one of my hero's I was watching when I grew up, Pele was just a genius who played the game in the right spirit.
Re: Pele
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:16 pm
by burnleychris
Somebody actually replied with:
"Doubt he could’ve done any of that with today’s tactics."
He should be banned from watching or commenting on football for 10 years.
for one of my hero's I was watching when I grew up, Pele was just a genius who played the game in the right spirit.