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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:06 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
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The tweet I saw wasn’t limited to midfielders, they said none of our players would get into their team :roll:
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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by WiscoClaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:53 am

Coventry are in for Deniz Undav on loan from Brighton. Article suggest we have enquired. Only reason Coventry would want Undav is if big Viktor was leaving I suspect. His comments today about leaving Coventry in January were “We will see. I want to play football wherever I’m at. That’s what will be best for my development.” Is my paraphrase.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by Clive 1960 » Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:38 am

Can't see this happening but you never know , just wait and see in January sales , would be a good signing but if they want silly money I would look elsewhere , only my opinion.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by jedi_master » Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:54 am

They’re brassic and he has 18 months left. This is their last opportunity for top dollar. Player will push for it (didn’t rule anything out in that interview). I reckon the only stumbling block for Burnley could be PL competition but I bet he moves this January.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by RVclaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:55 am

jedi_master wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:54 am
They’re brassic and he has 18 months left. This is their last opportunity for top dollar. Player will push for it (didn’t rule anything out in that interview). I reckon the only stumbling block for Burnley could be PL competition but I bet he moves this January.
Are they really skint? If the new takeover goes through, the owner said there isn’t a need to be a seller in January. He also bid 25m for the stadium and is apparently wiping off the current debt. Suggests he has some funds and might not need to sell (at least not on the cheap anyway).

I was checking out the top spend on a player in the Championship and turns out it was Ruben Neves to Wolves for around 16m. Can we really see Burnley going for a near all time Champ record on a player? (15m)

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by jedi_master » Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:17 am

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:55 am
Are they really skint? If the new takeover goes through, the owner said there isn’t a need to be a seller in January. He also bid 25m for the stadium and is apparently wiping off the current debt. Suggests he has some funds and might not need to sell (at least not on the cheap anyway).

I was checking out the top spend on a player in the Championship and turns out it was Ruben Neves to Wolves for around 16m. Can we really see Burnley going for a near all time Champ record on a player? (15m)
If you read what Coventry fans are saying about this guy (Doug King), he’s come from nowhere and they are very dubious as to his level of muscle. It’s also dragged on for ages with seemingly no progress. Then there is the Ashley debacle with him putting pressure on SISU to sell the club to him cheap by giving an eviction notice just to to try and strong arm them into a cheaper sale - something they seemingly have no intention of doing. The club is in a total impasse, £40m in debt and had to sell Dominic Hyam to Blackburn under their value just to keep their obligations paid up. That situation COULD change should a takeover progress, but it’s nowhere near and is unlikely to be sorted by the end of next month - the eviction issue is very much a live one too.

The £15m fee is something you can work around with a club in that situation I think. We’re top of the league and look a 75/25 bet for promotion at this point - assuming that’s sustained up until January then you could heavily incentivise the deal as an ‘on promotion’ payment (£10m plus £5/6m on promotion or such). Pure speculation on my part but you’d think that is how any deal would be propositioned. As I said, he has 18 months left and with the situation they’re in (which COULD get better, and if it doesn’t will for certain get far worse) this is most likely the last opportunity to maximise profit on him.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by dibraidio » Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:31 am

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:55 am
I was checking out the top spend on a player in the Championship and turns out it was Ruben Neves to Wolves for around 16m. Can we really see Burnley going for a near all time Champ record on a player? (15m)
If Coventry are really holding out for 15m I'll bet that we can find cheaper players around Europe who would be as good if not better.

Having said that, did anyone expect us to sign a player like Cornet for 15m? If you spread the cost over 5 years it comes down to 3 million a year which starts to look a lot more like our price bracket. We never used to spend big money because Galick liked to pay everything up front but the current owners have no issue with saddling the club with future repayments. If we're viewing this as an investment to ensure promotion happens and to prepare for next season then it makes sense to do it in the up coming window

One thing that VG did say in the press was that he wants to play football, he doesn't want to go and sit on the bench somewhere. That probably suggests that a club like West Ham might not be his first choice.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by bfcmik » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:00 am

dibraidio wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:31 am
If Coventry are really holding out for 15m I'll bet that we can find cheaper players around Europe who would be as good if not better.
I heard there's a Dutch international striker available cheap as he out on loan from his current club ...

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NewClaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:26 am

If the sale has gone through, I’d say there’s no chance. A new owner wouldn’t want to sell the star player in his first window. If that’s still pending come January, the situation might be different but I could also understand why the existing owners might not want to sell him if it disrupts a sale process.

And that’s before we have to beat off any PL competition.

I think Obafemi’s pace in our system might be more effective, although Gyokeres definitely looks the better finisher. And I liked that Dovbyk we were linked with in summer - he’s scored 16 in 22.

Early games will be important - if we’re on 50-odd points heading in to Jan, players will be confident they’ll be playing in the PL next season & it’ll help us attract good players. Hope we hit the ground running without the usual rustiness that occurs after a break!

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by RVclaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:27 am

When asked on Twitter about Gyokeres, Nixon said ‘Will be a tough battle. Believe there’s an alternative candidate if not.’

He also added we have ‘good money for a striker’.

Seems we definitely be targeting a striker in January.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NewClaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:34 am

Well I hope he’s right. Is the obvious place we need to strengthen given the age profile of our other strikers.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by jedi_master » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:38 am

It’s all we need in January isn’t it really.

Only other call might be another winger/attacking midfielder on loan should Tella get recalled (though Darko and Twine might fill that gap anyway - think we’d maybe miss Tella’s pace).

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by RVclaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:42 am

jedi_master wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:38 am
It’s all we need in January isn’t it really.

Only other call might be another winger/attacking midfielder on loan should Tella get recalled (though Darko and Twine might fill that gap anyway - think we’d maybe miss Tella’s pace).
Think Dervisoglu will be recalled. Suggestion is Fenerbache want him on a loan to buy deal. Grapevine rumour is that VK hasn’t been overly impressed by his attitude. But yes agree Tella’s pace in behind would be missed - Gyokeres and Obafemi are both strikers with pace and movement in behind, though.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NewClaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:59 am

jedi_master wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:38 am
It’s all we need in January isn’t it really.

Only other call might be another winger/attacking midfielder on loan should Tella get recalled (though Darko and Twine might fill that gap anyway - think we’d maybe miss Tella’s pace).
For that reason I think Obafemi might be a good shout. I’m not completely convinced on him but he’s only young and, thinking ahead optimistically, PL defences will always be scared of pace. I think they’d find ways to keep Gyokeres quiet (as we did against them). Harder to do that with pace.

I like that Anis Mehmeti at Wycombe. If Tella stayed, he could perhaps be loaned back. You have to assume this will be Tella and JBG’s last season so certainly a position where some early strengthening would be useful.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NewClaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:00 am

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:42 am
Gyokeres and Obafemi are both strikers with pace and movement in behind, though.
Gyokeres doesn’t look that fast to me. Might be optical and more about his acceleration vs pace though?

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by RVclaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:07 am

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:00 am
Gyokeres doesn’t look that fast to me. Might be optical and more about his acceleration vs pace though?
Deceptively quick (as he's quite big too) when he gets going.

Look at his goal against Wigan, 3 players couldn't catch him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvjmvF7tyZk

And this one against Luton (00:51):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzR4PakT-M

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by KRBFC » Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:34 am

Brereton Diaz 6 months left, cheeky bid?

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NewClaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:46 am

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:07 am
Deceptively quick (as he's quite big too) when he gets going.

Look at his goal against Wigan, 3 players couldn't catch him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvjmvF7tyZk

And this one against Luton (00:51):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzR4PakT-M
Fair point. He seems to get going. Made up acres on the second video although you have to say that in both the defenders don’t seem that arsed about winning the ball! Almost jogging - that might be deceptive as you say!

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NewClaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:47 am

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:34 am
Brereton Diaz 6 months left, cheeky bid?
Can’t see them letting him go in their position given the prize for promotion is £200m! Think he’ll want to stay and tout himself around to the highest bidder in summer too.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by Ric_C » Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:09 am

Would you take Diaz for 10 million? I probably would

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by 1882Clarets1882 » Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:25 am

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:34 am
Brereton Diaz 6 months left, cheeky bid?
No need. Once we're up we'll be able to attract superior quality to Diaz.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by claretspice » Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:03 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:07 am
Deceptively quick (as he's quite big too) when he gets going.

Look at his goal against Wigan, 3 players couldn't catch him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvjmvF7tyZk

And this one against Luton (00:51):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzR4PakT-M
Agree with this. He seems to be what you might call 'long striding'.

He does remind me from what ive seen of a young Jay-Rod. When Rodriguez went to Southampton I thought he was mobile but he'd never struck me as having genuine pace. But then he went to Southampton and they played him off the left wing and suddenly his ability to carry the ball at pace was cited as one of his key attributes. Gyökeres is a bit similar and his all round game looks to have a bit in common with that pre-injury Rodriguez. I think he'd be ideal for us, not least as he'd learn tonnes from Jay (and Barnes, and Bellamy- forwards who made the best of their ability.

Whether we can afford a goalscorer who is deceptively quick and has a smashing first touch and is 6"2 is of course a different matter. If we can, fantastic.
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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by RVclaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:31 pm

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/t ... y-25713579

Mark Robins saying there is ‘zero chance’ of him leaving in January

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by KRBFC » Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:58 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:47 am
Can’t see them letting him go in their position given the prize for promotion is £200m! Think he’ll want to stay and tout himself around to the highest bidder in summer too.
I know they turned down bids of £10m in the summer but can they really do the same in January? 6 months later, I don't see them as a promotion outfit at all, seems like a huge gamble off hopes and dreams.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by RVclaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:08 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:58 pm
I know they turned down bids of £10m in the summer but can they really do the same in January? 6 months later, I don't see them as a promotion outfit at all, seems like a huge gamble off hopes and dreams.
My Rovers mates tell me that the Venkys don't really seem to care about making the money off the transfer. They'd rather take the gamble.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by ClaretLoup » Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:10 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:58 pm
I don't see them as a promotion outfit at all, seems like a huge gamble off hopes and dreams.
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You need to check the table KR, they are two points off the play offs with two games in hand.

Methinks the only way we would sign this lad is if he decides to down tools at Coventry and forces a move. This could be possible as relatively speaking the wages at Burnley are way above Coventry’s level at present.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by Big Vinny K » Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:21 pm

Would be a great signing but hard to know what the true financial position is at Coventry with this takeover. In the last decade or so they have been a basket case of a club so who knows whether this takeover is the next in a long line of disasters. This could work in our favour but it could also be the case that they decide to back Robins for at least the next 6 months given they have a good manager and a decent team that is probably closer to getting in the Premier League (and it’s riches) than the club have been for a long time.
If they sell Gyokeres and / or O’Hare in January then they kiss goodbye to any chance of promotion. They can wait till the summer and may get between £5m and £10m less for both of them combined than they might do in January but effectively they could be ‘betting” this against potentially £200m if they got promoted. If they cannot afford to lose £5m then you would question what the point of any takeover would be ?

As for whether they are a promotion outfit or not their form would suggest they have a pretty good chance. They win their games in hand and they are just behind Blackburn in 4th place. As you can see from their recent form and the teams they have beaten when O’Hare and Gyokeres are both fit they are one of the strongest teams in the division (play offs easily achievable).

The thing that could make this happen is the player himself requesting a move. If he’s like most footballers none of the above his that relevant. He has to look after himself and look at the offers in front of him which may not materialise again if he gets injured etc

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NewClaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:33 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:58 pm
I know they turned down bids of £10m in the summer but can they really do the same in January? 6 months later, I don't see them as a promotion outfit at all, seems like a huge gamble off hopes and dreams.
Even if they were willing to sell though, I doubt he would go - there will be many suitors for him in summer and he’ll get a much better deal. Worth hanging around for.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by KRBFC » Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:39 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:10 pm
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You need to check the table KR, they are two points off the play offs with two games in hand.

Methinks the only way we would sign this lad is if he decides to down tools at Coventry and forces a move. This could be possible as relatively speaking the wages at Burnley are way above Coventry’s level at present.
I was talking about Rovers, same applies to Coventry though. I don't see either side gaining promotion.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NRC » Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:55 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:07 am
Deceptively quick (as he's quite big too) when he gets going.

Look at his goal against Wigan, 3 players couldn't catch him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvjmvF7tyZk

And this one against Luton (00:51):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzR4PakT-M
the goal vs Wigan is quite stunning to see him edge away while still controlling a football AND having the composure to finish. the goal vs Luton equally shows his pace without the ball and again repeats the composure to strike a ball at pace...... I invite ANY of you to try that!

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by Goody1975 » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:21 pm

Coventry have ten league games to play before the end of January, plenty of time for them to climb or slip down the table.

Our need isn't as immediate as the summer and barring injuries/players returning to their parent clubs then we can bide our time.

Nixon suggested there is an alternative target, so we may look elsewhere anyway.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by houseboy » Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:25 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:13 pm
I like the look of Gyokeres, but can't see where the resale profit comes if we pay anywhere near 15 mill for him.
If we get him, so be it, he'd have my 100% backing, but looking at the incomings last summer, I would think there is a real gem out there that we could get for half the price. If we are still setting the pace in the promotion race, it would mean we would be fishing from a much bigger pond. Gyokeres was probably as good as we could hope for 6 months ago, but the next window I hope we look further
Why are you looking at re-sale value already.
A. We should be signing him as a player, not a financial asset. We are a football club not a stockbroker.
B. We haven’t even signed him yet.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:09 pm

houseboy wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:25 pm
Why are you looking at re-sale value already.
A. We should be signing him as a player, not a financial asset. We are a football club not a stockbroker.
B. We haven’t even signed him yet.
I would have thought it was pretty obvious. EVERY player we buy has to be either cheap, or have a potential resale value. We are a football club that cannot compete, long term, unless we address the income. Our potential peers in the Prem spend far more than we do, and always will. Without selling players it's only a matter of time before we go back down the plug hole.
The second comment was also obvious. Players are far cheaper abroad than in England, even in the Championship. Zaroury, Benson, Bastien, Cullen are all evidence of what shopping abroad can bring. They all cost less than 5 mill each, imagine what you could hope to get for 15 mill in that market.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:56 pm

I'm not sure he's the type of player we need.
i'm not too interested in runs (dribbles) from half-way leading to goals. I'd like to see more 6 yard finishes from him, as I think that fits our system better.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by RVclaret » Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:56 pm
I'm not sure he's the type of player we need.
i'm not too interested in runs (dribbles) from half-way leading to goals. I'd like to see more 6 yard finishes from him, as I think that fits our system better.
Oh there are plenty of them too.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:58 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:57 pm
Oh there are plenty of them too.
Ok, that's what i'd like to see. I'm sure you get where I'm coming from though.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:58 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:56 pm
I'm not sure he's the type of player we need.
i'm not too interested in runs (dribbles) from half-way leading to goals. I'd like to see more 6 yard finishes from him, as I think that fits our system better.
To be fair that’s what most of his goals are. I think those examples were shared as someone said he’s not quick.
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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by houseboy » Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:10 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:09 pm
I would have thought it was pretty obvious. EVERY player we buy has to be either cheap, or have a potential resale value. We are a football club that cannot compete, long term, unless we address the income. Our potential peers in the Prem spend far more than we do, and always will. Without selling players it's only a matter of time before we go back down the plug hole.
The second comment was also obvious. Players are far cheaper abroad than in England, even in the Championship. Zaroury, Benson, Bastien, Cullen are all evidence of what shopping abroad can bring. They all cost less than 5 mill each, imagine what you could hope to get for 15 mill in that market.
Sorry bud. You completely missed my point and that may be my fault. My point being that there is an obsession with money in football now that I think most fans find sickening and the fact that thinking about sell on values of players before we have even signed them is a symptom of that obsession. I take all your points and accept them as valid and have no argument with that, it’s just the fact that they are being discussed at all reminds me of said money obsession. Put simply, why can’t we just sign a player who is good for the team right now without thinking about how much we might get for him in a couple of years. If we sign a player who is instrumental in getting us promoted and stays long enough to keep us up for a season or two he has been value for money even if he clears off for less than we paid. And football would be the winner.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:53 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:58 pm
Ok, that's what i'd like to see. I'm sure you get where I'm coming from though.
His 21/22 goals:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_YlYl6p5Fo

As RV says, plenty of tap ins/6 yard finishes for you Boatshed. First two are very good examples.

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Re: Viktor Gyokeres

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:32 pm

houseboy wrote:
Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:10 am
Sorry bud. You completely missed my point and that may be my fault. My point being that there is an obsession with money in football now that I think most fans find sickening and the fact that thinking about sell on values of players before we have even signed them is a symptom of that obsession. I take all your points and accept them as valid and have no argument with that, it’s just the fact that they are being discussed at all reminds me of said money obsession. Put simply, why can’t we just sign a player who is good for the team right now without thinking about how much we might get for him in a couple of years. If we sign a player who is instrumental in getting us promoted and stays long enough to keep us up for a season or two he has been value for money even if he clears off for less than we paid. And football would be the winner.
We're on the same page, I agree the money in football, and the way it dominates the game, are sickening, but it's the house we have to live in, whether we like it or not.
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