January transfer window rumours.

[boatshed bill]

However good his relationship with the fans is here, Tella wouldn't have any say in what his parent club decides to do.

Any idea how long Tella has on his Southampton contract?

[NewClaret]

Any idea how long Tella has on his Southampton contract?

Think it’s 2025

[boatshed bill]

Think it’s 2025

Thanks.

[FeedTheArf]

I honestly think players have a big say in their future. If he unequivocally tells them he’d like to remain, I think it’d be difficult to recall him. If he says he’d love to come back, quite the opposite. Players have a big influence on their careers.

Completely agree with you, but if Southampton come to him and say we’re recalling you and throwing you in to the line up it’s going to be hard for him to turn down.

That said, I’m convinced he won’t be recalled. He’s playing and scoring here, ultimately he’s an asset that is only going to increase in value from now until the end of the season.

[Nonayforever]

yeah we don't need 16 - that was a busy window
we might get a couple though

I remember when 1 signing was a busy window !

[Vegas Claret]

I remember when 1 signing was a busy window !

indeed, at least we don't have to call clubcall anymore !

[Quicknick]

indeed, at least we don't have to call clubcall anymore !

I used to run up such bills doing that.

[Lancasterclaret]

Really liked the look of Gelhardt in the PL last season.

Surprised he’s not been used more this season.

No chance he's dropping down a level to us

They will need him (unless he's struggling to get game time which I'd find quite bizarre considering where Leeds are and how good he is)

[AGENT_CLARET]

No chance he's dropping down a level to us

They will need him (unless he's struggling to get game time which I'd find quite bizarre considering where Leeds are and how good he is)

Good ???

2 goals in 31 games for Leeds

1 goal in 19 For Wigan, he's a prolific forward

[Lancasterclaret]

Good ???

2 goals in 31 games for Leeds

1 goal in 19 For Wigan, he's a prolific forward

He's highly rated by Leeds fans

[AGENT_CLARET]

He's highly rated by Leeds fans

These are the same fan's who think they're the biggest club in the world, don't take any notice of this lot

[fatboy47]

He's highly rated by Leeds fans

So was Ian Moore.

[Jambounchained]

So was Ian Moore.

He really wasn't.

[Robbo1882]

We must be looking at an goalkeeper Muric is a liability.

[gandhisflipflop]

Good ???

2 goals in 31 games for Leeds

1 goal in 19 For Wigan, he's a prolific forward

What were the stats for Benson before his arrival?

[boatshed bill]

We must be looking at an goalkeeper Muric is a liability.

i doubt that very much.
And just having watched the game I'd say he is fundamental to our style of play, allowing us to play a high line and always available for a back pass.

[bfcmatt]

i doubt that very much.
And just having watched the game I'd say he is fundamental to our style of play, allowing us to play a high line and always available for a back pass.

Exactly this, Muric is the new breed of keeper. The ability to play football ranks as highly as having the ability to be a keeper. It's a new way of playing the game. Pope was an excellent keeper and nobody questions his shot stopping is far better than muric, but we wouldnt be building from the back and attacking as we do with him in the net. Probably the same with Peacock - farell

[Bigvince]

i doubt that very much.
And just having watched the game I'd say he is fundamental to our style of play, allowing us to play a high line and always available for a back pass.

Some posters have formed a negative view of Muric, and no matter how he performs will not change their opinion. They will continue to bang the same old drum, at every opportunity!

[Rileybobs]

Exactly this, Muric is the new breed of keeper. The ability to play football ranks as highly as having the ability to be a keeper. It's a new way of playing the game. Pope was an excellent keeper and nobody questions his shot stopping is far better than muric, but we wouldnt be building from the back and attacking as we do with him in the net. Probably the same with Peacock - farell

Apologies for wading in on another Muric debate. But I think most people, maybe not all, can see what he brings to this side. Equally I think most can see his weaknesses. But I completely disagree with your claim that the goalkeeper’s ability to play football ranks as highly as having the ability of a traditional keeper. This is maybe so at the very elite clubs, but even they have keepers who would rank higher than the rest in other categories. Even with England it is clear that Southgate is happy to trade off a marginally slightly better shot stopper for someone who is significantly better with their feet.

The problem is, next season, do people really think that a keeper who can play football is more important than one who keeps the ball out of the goal? To simplify things, in Burnley’s current system in the Championship we are so superior to most teams that I would say it’s 70/30 in favour of a keeper who can play with his feet the way Muric does. In the Premier League I think that weighting flips on its head. And our performance at Sheffield United demonstrates what we will be coming up against at the very least next season.

[IanMcL]

We may as well play a rush goalie who is an even better footballer than Muric!

[RVclaret]

Apologies for wading in on another Muric debate. But I think most people, maybe not all, can see what he brings to this side. Equally I think most can see his weaknesses. But I completely disagree with your claim that the goalkeeper’s ability to play football ranks as highly as having the ability of a traditional keeper. This is maybe so at the very elite clubs, but even they have keepers who would rank higher than the rest in other categories. Even with England it is clear that Southgate is happy to trade off a marginally slightly better shot stopper for someone who is significantly better with their feet.

The problem is, next season, do people really think that a keeper who can play football is more important than one who keeps the ball out of the goal? To simplify things, in Burnley’s current system in the Championship we are so superior to most teams that I would say it’s 70/30 in favour of a keeper who can play with his feet the way Muric does. In the Premier League I think that weighting flips on its head. And our performance at Sheffield United demonstrates what we will be coming up against at the very least next season.

We’re not at next season yet. Pointless discussion. Currently talking about January transfer window and our keeper being replaced, which is just daft considering he’s been a key cog in Kompany’s system.

I also disagree that most understand what he brings to the team. As an example, one poster suggested Kev Long could have been in the nets vs Boro and been fine. Complete lack of football knowledge.

[Rileybobs]

We’re not at next season yet. Pointless discussion. Currently talking about January transfer window and our keeper being replaced, which is just daft considering he’s been a key cog in Kompany’s system.

I also disagree that most understand what he brings to the team. As an example, one poster suggested Kev Long could have been in the nets vs Boro and been fine. Complete lack of football knowledge.

I think strengthening for next season is definitely a relevant discussion in a January transfer window thread, whether you agree with the points or not.

[boatshed bill]

Apologies for wading in on another Muric debate. But I think most people, maybe not all, can see what he brings to this side. Equally I think most can see his weaknesses. But I completely disagree with your claim that the goalkeeper’s ability to play football ranks as highly as having the ability of a traditional keeper. This is maybe so at the very elite clubs, but even they have keepers who would rank higher than the rest in other categories. Even with England it is clear that Southgate is happy to trade off a marginally slightly better shot stopper for someone who is significantly better with their feet.

The problem is, next season, do people really think that a keeper who can play football is more important than one who keeps the ball out of the goal? To simplify things, in Burnley’s current system in the Championship we are so superior to most teams that I would say it’s 70/30 in favour of a keeper who can play with his feet the way Muric does. In the Premier League I think that weighting flips on its head. And our performance at Sheffield United demonstrates what we will be coming up against at the very least next season.

Next season we may change our tactics, but first we need to get promoted. Half a season to go and some people are predicting our shortcomings in a league which we are not in.
We have half a season in which to further improve, and hopefully stay on track to go up.

[Rileybobs]

Next season we may change our tactics, but first we need to get promoted. Half a season to go and some people are predicting our shortcomings in a league which we are not in.
We have half a season in which to further improve, and hopefully stay on track to go up.

Correct. But our transfer strategy should be with the Premier League firmly in mind, should it not?

[boatshed bill]

Correct. But our transfer strategy should be with the Premier League firmly in mind, should it not?

Yes, next Summer.
Not in the January window.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yes, next Summer.
Not in the January window.

We should definitely be planning for premier league this window

[boatshed bill]

We should definitely be planning for premier league this window

Perhaps read the thread title.

[RVclaret]

We should definitely be planning for premier league this window

- January is an over inflated market, our owners want value.
- Our squad is already showing it’s more than good enough for this level, not sure which particular area needs improving?
- We can’t plan for something hypothetical, still half a season to go, I’m hoping our manager and players aren’t counting chickens like a few here are

IF we do any business then of course one eye has to be ‘could they be good enough for the PL’.

[tiger76]

We should definitely be planning for premier league this window

We should if available funds allow yes, however what we don't want to do is splash big money then miss out on promotion, as that would really damage the club long term.

And it's easy to say plan for the PL, but will players join us when there is still the chance of them playing Championship footy next season.

The present squad should on the evidence of our first 23 games be more than capable of securing promotion, then we can turn our attentions towards the PL and the challenges that will bring.

Also remember we can only name a 25 man squad, so unless we're willing to let a few fringe players leave this window we won't have much room to accommodate any in-comings anyway.

[Greenmile]

...The problem is, next season, do people really think that a keeper who can play football is more important than one who keeps the ball out of the goal? To simplify things, in Burnley’s current system in the Championship we are so superior to most teams that I would say it’s 70/30 in favour of a keeper who can play with his feet the way Muric does. In the Premier League I think that weighting flips on its head. And our performance at Sheffield United demonstrates what we will be coming up against at the very least next season.

Do you think there are more teams in the PL who play the style of football SU played against us (lump crosses and long throws into the box at every opportunity) than there are in the Championship, or fewer?

[Rileybobs]

Do you think there are more teams in the PL who play the style of football SU played against us (lump crosses and long throws into the box at every opportunity) than there are in the Championship, or fewer?

Not sure that’s a particularly fair question. For starters, Sheffield United are likely to be one of our biggest rivals next season. But the quality of set piece delivery is much better as things stand this would be a weakness of our game which would be targeted. Look at Leeds United and Leicester City as recent examples of teams being relentlessly punished for being poor at defending set pieces.

But I’m not talking necessarily about teams lumping crosses and long throws into the box. I’m talking about teams who are better at keeping the ball than us and teams who will put us under sustained periods of pressure, as Sheffield United did.

[IWOODLOVETT]

I cannot understand why folk who claim to be supporters always have to have a target player to abuse and criticise. It happens in most clubs I guess, but in this case it is regardless of the success of the team, the age of the player and the qualities that he otherwise displays.

Goalkeeping is very much a “confidence” position and any mistake inevitably ends in a calamity. We all know of instances when even the top, top keepers concede possession (Alisson) make rash decisions (Hennessey) or simply let the ball slip through their hands (De Gea). It doesn’t help therefore when a young player who is always closest to the crowd (because of his playing position) can consequently clearly hear his own “supporters” moan and groan at every touch that he makes.

Muric is very much a confidence player and we, as proper supporters, need to encourage and applaud him for his good work and leave it to our excellent trainers to iron out his shortcomings. The same is the case with our second choice keeper - confidence, confidence, confidence !!!

[boatshed bill]

We may as well play a rush goalie who is an even better footballer than Muric!

You are right, Ian.
And had we kept Pope we'd probably be 2 or 3 places further up the table

[Greenmile]

Not sure that’s a particularly fair question. For starters, Sheffield United are likely to be one of our biggest rivals next season. But the quality of set piece delivery is much better as things stand this would be a weakness of our game which would be targeted. Look at Leeds United and Leicester City as recent examples of teams being relentlessly punished for being poor at defending set pieces.

But I’m not talking necessarily about teams lumping crosses and long throws into the box. I’m talking about teams who are better at keeping the ball than us and teams who will put us under sustained periods of pressure, as Sheffield United did.

Fair point re the quality of set piece deliveries, and the likelihood we will have less possession next season.

SU are one of our biggest rivals this season though, and it’s pretty clear to me that we’ll be less likely to come up against teams playing what some might (unfairly imo, but that’s a different argument) call “Dyche-ball” next season.

This, along with the fact that Muric is still young and improving (and clearly has the required physical attributes), leads me to believe he’ll be fine in the PL next season.

Let’s see.

[Hapag Lloyd]

You are right, Ian.
And had we kept Pope we'd probably be 2 or 3 places further up the table

Maybe not places but almost certainly points.

[Cooclaret]

Muric has his own very long, and very tedious, thread. Can we keep him to that one to help keep this one clean.

[ecc]

Whilst it's paradoxical for a team that's scored twice per game after 23 matches I think our priority is another central striker.

[Dinks]

All we need is an extra striker and deffo a new keeper,dont really care who they are

[Andreshotboots]

Maybe not places but almost certainly points.

What about all the goals Muric has had an early part in us scoring and the points they've earned
us?

[RVclaret]

Maybe not places but almost certainly points.

Tell me which specific games and points he’s cost us

[boatshed bill]

Maybe not places but almost certainly points.

I posted that for Ian's benefit, and his love-in for Nick Pope

[IanMcL]

You are right, Ian.
And had we kept Pope we'd probably be 2 or 3 places further up the table

More points, for sure!

[IanMcL]

I posted that for Ian's benefit, and his love-in for Nick Pope

And all good goalkeepers.

[Firthy]

Wow sooo many rumours, I can't keep up with them all

[Taffy on the wing]

Is this the right room for an argument?

[JohnDearyMe]

I think tonight has been a helpful reminder of the need for another striker both on a short term and long term basis

[warksclaret]

I think tonight has been a helpful reminder of the need for another striker both on a short term and long term basis

Totally agree JD. We technically could have won that 3-2. Barnes will not get an easier pair of chances. He snatched at the first with just the keeper to beat and could have controlled and shot. The second one he did the hard work , got to the ball then missed something that was quite simple. The third chance was different as Churlinov made a great run to get to the exquisite JBG cross. In Rodriguez we have someone with a fitness problem-there is something wrong tonight-if VK did not want to risk him then why have him on the bench. JR if fit should have been on straight after the second goalor

[JohnDearyMe]

Totally agree JD. We technically could have won that 3-2. Barnes will not get an easier pair of chances. He snatched at the first with just the keeper to beat and could have controlled and shot. The second one he did the hard work , got to the ball then missed something that was quite simple. The third chance was different as Churlinov made a great run to get to the exquisite JBG cross. In Rodriguez we have someone with a fitness problem-there is something wrong tonight-if VK did not want to risk him then why have him on the bench. JR if fit should have been on straight after the second goalor

I'm really glad he's had his memorable contribution against Rovers this season but i hope we won't be too sentimental about moving him on in January

[boatshed bill]

Totally agree JD. We technically could have won that 3-2. Barnes will not get an easier pair of chances. He snatched at the first with just the keeper to beat and could have controlled and shot. The second one he did the hard work , got to the ball then missed something that was quite simple. The third chance was different as Churlinov made a great run to get to the exquisite JBG cross. In Rodriguez we have someone with a fitness problem-there is something wrong tonight-if VK did not want to risk him then why have him on the bench. JR if fit should have been on straight after the second goalor

I can see why JR went and didn't get on, we need him for Birmingham.
Given the injury, illness and World Cup absenteeism VK took just about everyone available (excluding Lowton, Long and Costelloe)

[Vegas Claret]

Correct. But our transfer strategy should be with the Premier League firmly in mind, should it not?

there's a reason half our team are on loan....