Boro: what a poor side

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:20 pm

Showed nothing today in my opinion. Only set up to negate our play and steal a lucky goal.

Miles below us

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:22 pm

Very disappointed in them. They offered absolutely nothing. Although in our credit, we pressed extremely well today and were very aggressive in our ball winning.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:23 pm

We’ve made most opponents look poor. The next game against a poorer side than us they can look world class.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:24 pm

Time wasting wankers

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:24 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:23 pm
We’ve made most opponents look poor.

This.

Billyblah · Post by **Billyblah** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:25 pm

Well they did make us have to think about how to break them down until the sixtieth minute.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:26 pm

They're supposed to be decent no? In form? Resurgent? Dire. I seem to say it every week but there's some real dross in this league. And we're a very good side. Another stroll for the Clarets.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:27 pm

Us and Sheffield United still look levels above in this league. Is it only Norwich we haven’t played at this stage?

Noblelight · Post by **Noblelight** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:27 pm

Half way through now and there are only 2 other teams I’ve been impressed with.
WBA and Sheffield United
Both were better than us on the day

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:29 pm

I have seen worse. They looked fairly well organised but apart from the poor pass from Benson didn't really look like threatening us. But our closing down does make it difficult for teams.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:30 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:27 pm
Us and Sheffield United still look levels above in this league. Is it only Norwich we haven’t played at this stage?

We beat Norwich

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:34 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:30 pm
We beat Norwich

Oh Christ we did didn’t we, it’s been a long season so far

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:34 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:27 pm
Us and Sheffield United still look levels above in this league. Is it only Norwich we haven’t played at this stage?

Played everyone now

1882Clarets1882 · Post by **1882Clarets1882** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:34 pm

Boros 3 previous away results -

Hull 1 Boro 3

Blackpool 0 Boro 3

Norwich 1 Boro 2

Puts today's result into perspective. Along with us they're (were) the form team in the league. Perhaps we should be saying, Burnley : what a good side !

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:36 pm

The standard of the division is summed up by Blackburn and QPR currently being in the Play Off positions

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:51 pm

Agree-they were poor despite their recent form since Carrick took over. On a positive they will take points from sides looking to challenge us ie Watford, Sheff Utd, Norwich etc

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:00 pm

They were bloody awful, one of the worst we’ve played.

The cloggers in their defence and that horrendous goalkeeper pretending they could play out from the back like us was comical.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:01 pm

Expected more from them

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:20 pm

They were well organised but didn’t even come to nick a goal, we just totally gifted them one. Even at 3-1 down they didn’t have any ambition to leave their half, until again we practically egged them on to score. I’d be very disappointed as a travelling Boro fan today as we weren’t at the races in the first half and a more positive side could have taken advantage.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:31 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:00 pm
They were bloody awful, one of the worst we’ve played.

The cloggers in their defence and that horrendous goalkeeper pretending they could play out from the back like us was comical.

Tedious and funny watching sides ponce about with it at the back when they plain obviously don't have the players for it. The league's littered with teams trying to run before they can walk. Swansea tried it, Boro tried it, Rovers tried it. All rubbish and all easily and deservedly beaten.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:34 pm

Burnley have made most visiting teams look poor at Turf Moor, but it was surprising how easily Boro folded after our equaliser.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:55 pm

I've never seen a team at the turf look so unaware that it was 3-1 down

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:01 pm

Was out doing an Xmas social so couldn't watch the game and therefor can't speak to the quality of Boro.

But I showed a friend the scoreline at 0-1 down and said to them, "We'll win this".

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:04 pm

Came for a nil- nil.

Could not believe their luck going 1 up.

Showed no ambition before the goal and when they went 3-1 down, seemed content for it not to get worse.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:11 pm

Their keeper was worth it for the comedy value.

And when it came to actual goalkeeping, he was inept.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:15 pm

They were never going to score without our help.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:16 pm

The quality across the division is shocking. Watched the highlights of the Swansea game against Coventry today and they quality was shocking.

Barely any teams in this league can string a pass together

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:18 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:16 pm
The quality across the division is shocking. Watched the highlights of the Swansea game against Coventry today and they quality was shocking.

Barely any teams in this league can string a pass together

And you had us down to finish mid table because of our shocking midfield who can’t pass

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:26 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:18 pm
And you had us down to finish mid table because of our shocking midfield who can’t pass

Tbf that was before I saw how bad this league is. The gap between the prem and championship is monumental now.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:29 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:26 pm
Tbf that was before I saw how bad this league is. The gap between the prem and championship is monumental now.

Thought you’d watched it last season? It hasn’t changed too much?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:26 pm
Tbf that was before I saw how bad this league is. The gap between the prem and championship is monumental now.

League has always been similar to this. We are just very good at making many teams look poor. Many people said the first half today was dull, yet I thought our pressing was absolutely outstanding, didn’t let them settle for a minute.

Its interesting you pointed out the Coventry game as an example, as they’ve got several players of real quality who could step up to the PL (Gyokeres, Hamer, O’Hare).

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:36 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:34 pm
League has always been similar to this.

Its interesting you pointed out the Coventry game as an example, as they’ve got several players of real quality who could step up to the PL (Gyokeres, Hamer, O’Hare).

Not sure they could to be honest.

I think the striker looks decent but not sure he’s the same quality as wood or Weghorst for example.

The gap between the prem and champ has never ever been this wide. I can’t believe how bad the quality is this year.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:37 pm

we weren't even in first gear in the first half and we controlled it with them creating next to nothing. They scored then we probably went up to second gear and that was all it took

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:37 pm

I agree with both RV and NC93. It's a really poor standard but we're very good.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:43 pm

They were indeed very moderate ,like most of the division .
Oddly I thought WBA looked decent and of course sheff Utd bullied us off the pitch . Coventry looked okIsh , but as mentioned since the players gelled we’ve been incredibly good, quick , skilful , incisive and very motivated .

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:43 pm

Another 'tbf' is that if you looked at the fans' message boards of Premier League clubs over the last few seasons (including this one) many of the charges that we're now levelling at the other Championship teams are much the same as was being said about us. Our sit back/soak-up the pressure/tackle hard/hope to snatch an odd goal tactics were defended and seen as being a reasonable approach, the best/all that we could be expected to do against much stronger opposition and the supporters of those fancy-dan clubs ought just suck it up and stop whinging.
This season, the boot is most definitely on the other foot and it's now the turn of our supporters to stop whinging and suck it up. To my mind being top and hating everyone, is a lort better than being at the bottom with everyone hating us.

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NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:45 pm

Thought they’d be our biggest test. Very poor. If that’s the in form team, we are well placed. Made them look very ordinary.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:55 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:43 pm
Another 'tbf' is that if you looked at the fans' message boards of Premier League clubs over the last few seasons (including this one) many of the charges that we're now levelling at the other Championship teams are much the same as was being said about us. Our sit back/soak-up the pressure/tackle hard/hope to snatch an odd goal tactics were defended and seen as being a reasonable approach, the best/all that we could be expected to do against much stronger opposition and the supporters of those fancy-dan clubs ought just suck it up and stop whinging. This season, the boot is most definitely on the other foot and our and it's now the turn of our supporters to stop whinging and suck it up.

But that isn't what's happening.

We're not watching in your words sides sit back, soak up the pressure and tackle hard. We're watching opposition after opposition getting their tactics completely wrong against us - trying to pass us off the pitch when we're the best at doing it in the league. Rovers and Swansea are two recent examples which spring to mind. I couldn't believe my eyes. Cocky, complacent, lacklustre performances by teams who just don't identify our weaknesses.

Every Burnley fan can tell you we're vulnerable to high balls and crosses. We're at times over run in midfield if the tackling is hard and the rhythm is broken up. And we still struggle, though less than before, at breaking down well organised lines of defence.

And now that sort of opposition is beginning to sound familiar. Burnley under Dyche anyone?

How often have we seen teams play like that against us? Not often.

We're an excellent side but week after week I'm seeing sides play straight into our hands. Not that I'm complaining.

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:09 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:24 pm
Time wasting wankers

Is that an Ashley Barnes quote?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:13 pm

Mala591 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:09 pm
Is that an Ashley Barnes quote?

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:21 pm

We are really very good at swarming to win the ball back and it is noticable how high we pin teams. We generally have safe possession well over a third up the pitch and can knock it around at will. Our opponents just don't have that luxury as they are forced to play on the edge of their box. They don't seem to have the necessary fitness levels to press us higher for sustained periods. Like Pickles, I'm not complaining though.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:24 pm

I got a text from my Stepson in Guisboro at half time
Basically saying ...

Boro are sh!t ...

Then at fulltime saying

He could see why Burnley are top of the league.

He said he didn't think it was handball ...

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:28 pm

Thought Boro looked competent enough - well organised defensively so we didn't create too many clear chances for all our possession, and they carried a threat on the counter - particularly once Watmore came on. They were certainly the equals of Blackburn.

Think the threat to us and Sheffield United comes from Watford. They've clicked into gear recently and they've got match winners going forwards. Suspect the three of us are a notch above the rest and the difference is our quality rather than everyone else's shortcomings.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:31 pm

As unambitious as it was, I thought Boro played quite a clever game until they scored.

They played a mid block & high line, which made it really congested in the middle third and we didn’t have the pace to get in behind them.

They came unstuck when the dropped deeper after they scored. Not sure if that was by design or a psychological reaction to going in front.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:32 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:31 pm
As unambitious as it was, I thought Boro played quite a clever game until they scored.

They played a mid block & high line, which made it really congested in the middle third and we didn’t have the pace to get in behind them.

They came unstuck when the dropped deeper after they scored. Not sure if that was by design or a psychological reaction to going in front.

Yep

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:40 pm

Boro scoring was just what we needed...it seemed to kick us on.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:49 pm

They were poor.

I thought we were off it today, missing Tella, but still a lot better than them.

The only time they looked dangerous was from us playing stupid passes.

They should have had a pen when 1 up, so will probably feel hard done by, but we were clearly the better team.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:50 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:49 pm
They were poor.

I thought we were off it today, missing Tella, but still a lot better than them.

The only time they looked dangerous was from us playing stupid passes.

They should have had a pen when 1 up, so will probably feel hard done by, but we were clearly the better team.

Was outside the box

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:56 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:50 pm
Was outside the box

Need to see it again, but all those around me agreed it was a penalty.

Mixedkompany · Post by **Mixedkompany** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:10 pm

Boro didn’t offer more than most sides we’ve played recently.
Blackpool and Luton certainly offered more attacking threat early in the season. However, we hadn’t clicked by then and now we have, with players getting used to the system and with each other. I think Watford are the best of the rest and will be in the top 3 come May.