Dyche v Kompany

[DanH90]

I know we are performing well currently and I truly am enjoying some of the football we are playing. However, if Sean were to come up against a Vincent team then I think Dyche’s army would spank them.

Dyche has more nous than Vinny and I believe Vincent’s tactical naivety would be exposed against a 1-0 Dyche masterclass.

Thoughts?

[RVclaret]

Kompany was a world class defender while Dyche was knocking around in the lower leagues.

5-0 VK.

[Shaggy]

I think you need to lay off the wine.

[Shaggy]

My comment was aimed at the OP btw

[dougcollins]

Not even Apples and Pears, more cannonballs and Kumquats.

[Bosscat]

Another thread to consign to the "Who gives s sh!t" box

[dougcollins]

Another thread to consign to the "Who gives s sh!t" box

Now now TC, be polite.

Sorry, I gave you your Sunday name.

[Milltown1882]

Is there any way to filter out any mentions of our late lord and saviour on here? Our fans have some crazy weird obsession about him.

[DanH90]

I think you are all underestimating the motivational skills of Sean. His gruff tones would make the players want to run through brick walls for him and they would be willing to give their ‘legs, hearts, minds’ for the cause…

Vincent I get the impression that some of the squad are playing under coercion, and don’t really believe in the cause….

[Shaggy]

I think you are all underestimating the motivational skills of Sean. His gruff tones would make the players want to run through brick walls for him and they would be willing to give their ‘legs, hearts, minds’ for the cause…

Vincent I get the impression that some of the squad are playing under coercion, and don’t really believe in the cause….

The bait is a bit too obvious.

[Leisure]

Dan H90 - You said - It’s great to watch.
Of course there is work to do defensively at times, but we need to remember this team is so new, it’s scary how well it has gelled,

Give me this over the last 2 seasons of Dycheball any day of the week.
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Why not just leave it at this!

[TheFamilyCat]

Depends who Dyche is managing in this hypothetical situation doesn't it.

[Spiral]

I don't think Kompany is tactically naïve, nor do I think Dyche ever showed tactical masterclass. It's not revisionism to say about Dyche that we basically had one way of playing and we did it really well for the most part and it brought us a lot success relatively speaking. That one way of playing was basic $hithouse footy. The fact it took us to about our three-thousandth PL game to finally come from behind to win a game suggests that there was not a lot going on tactically, that we either turned up on the day and got a result or we went out there without a hope in hell's chance of changing tack during a match when we realise the plan wasn't working. I'll stress again, this is not revisionism of the Dyche era, we were still in it literally this year and I can remember everything about it.

[Spiral]

The bait is a bit too obvious.

It's obvious fishing but it's still worth the chat.

[Milltown1882]

I don't think Kompany is tactically naïve, nor do I think Dyche ever showed tactical masterclass. It's not revisionism to say about Dyche that we basically had one way of playing and we did it really well for the most part and it brought us a lot success relatively speaking. That one way of playing was basic $hithouse footy. The fact it took us to about our three-thousandth PL game to finally come from behind to win a game suggests that there was not a lot going on tactically, that we either turned up on the day and got a result or we went out there without a hope in hell's chance of changing tack during a match when we realise the plan wasn't working. I'll stress again, this is not revisionism of the Dyche era, we were still in it literally this year and I can remember everything about it.

We had some great rides along the way, but you’re not wrong.

[Lowbankclaret]

Hypothetically,
The last few seasons SD premier side beats this side 9 times out of ten.

Still prefer watching this side though.

[Spiral]

We had some great rides along the way, but you’re not wrong.

Some of the best days I've ever had watching Burnley. That Steven Defour/early Chris Wood/peak Ashley Barnes period of a few years was glorious.

[depechedingle]

Vincent hates gravel,
Vincent hates shall,
It goes right through him, like fingernails down a blackboard or a fork scratched on a plate

[Spiral]

Reading the first two lines, thought that was going to be a chant, not gonna lie.

[depechedingle]

Reading the first two lines, thought that was going to be a chant, not gonna lie.

The first two and half lines are from a song by Half Man Half Biscuit to be honest, chronicling the turbulent demise of Climie Fisher.

[boatshed bill]

while we're playing top trumps let's try this one:
Loughlan vs Stone

[Stayingup]

There really are some boring bustards and .....

[claret2018]

I know we are performing well currently and I truly am enjoying some of the football we are playing. However, if Sean were to come up against a Vincent team then I think Dyche’s army would spank them.

Dyche has more nous than Vinny and I believe Vincent’s tactical naivety would be exposed against a 1-0 Dyche masterclass.

Thoughts?

Nice try Sean

[TheFamilyCat]

Hypothetically,
The last few seasons SD premier side beats this side 9 times out of ten.

Still prefer watching this side though.

With Pope, Mee, Tarkowski, McNeil and Wood who are all still playing in the Premier League. Pointless comparison.

[GavlarClaret]

Impossible question to answer... we were terrific for parts of Dyche's reign and dire in others. As pointed out, tactically its very subjective too - there's just too many variables

An easier question to put up would be which XI would win, the XI that beat Boro or the XI that played the last game of Dyche's 15-16 championship winning season VS Charlton

Which for reference was
Heaton
Lowton Mee Keane Ward
Arfield Marney Barton Boyd
Gray Vokes

Notably Barnes, Tarks, Dyer, Duff, Taylor were on the bench - I would say over 90 mins our lot today would beat them you know!!

[bobinho]

With Pope, Mee, Tarkowski, McNeil and Wood who are all still playing in the Premier League. Pointless comparison.

You were doing really well there for a time - REALLY well. Started to lose it at McNeil, but then it all went wonky very quickly.

SD's championship winning team would (in my opinion) beat the current team. Unless the current team went 2-0 up. In that case, only a VK Blackpool-esque substitution period could save them.

SD's european qualifying team would also beat the current team. Unless the current team went 2-0 up.

SD's team of the last couple of years would be turned over quite comfortably, and would be lucky to keep the score to us only being 2-0 up.

As for SD having more `nous`... I could count on the fingers of one finger how many times he'd turned the tide of a game due to a tactical change or a substitution.

[Carwin261]

Best Dyche would get against the present squad would be a park the bus 0-0,Tarks,& Mee would have no one to mark.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If we are being realistic Dyche would beat us quite comfortably however, it’s difficult to judge until Kompany manages in the prem

[TheFamilyCat]

You were doing really well there for a time - REALLY well. Started to lose it at McNeil, but then it all went wonky very quickly.

Why's that?

[Cooclaret]

I know we are performing well currently and I truly am enjoying some of the football we are playing. However, if Sean were to come up against a Vincent team then I think Dyche’s army would spank them.

Dyche has more nous than Vinny and I believe Vincent’s tactical naivety would be exposed against a 1-0 Dyche masterclass.

Thoughts?

My thoughts: You shouldn’t drink Stella.

[Cooclaret]

Kompany was a world class defender while Dyche was knocking around in the lower leagues.

5-0 VK.

Don’t think that equates to managerial nous. Using the same argument, VK has 0% experience of the championship as a player.

[bobinho]

Well, we have McNeil who let’s be honest had some very good moments for us - they were just that though weren’t they? He occasionally plays for a team on the edge of relegation. He’s inconsistent, and he’s affected by outside influences too much. Everton the wrong club for someone as delicate as him.

And Wood? Yeah he did well for us for a time, hell I even liked him for a time, but he’s a PL striker? He plays in the PL when he gets a few mins. Too old, too immobile, too one dimensional, too ineffective. Everything about his game is limited, and he wouldn’t know what was going on in our current side.

I suppose my point is there are plenty of players playing in the PL, who aren’t quite PL quality.

Just my opinion of course.

[Bosscat]

Don’t think that equates to managerial nous. Using the same argument, VK has 0% experience of the championship as a player.

VK not making a bad fist of it as a Championship manager though

[Swizzlestick]

Chris Wood who started, and scored, for a team second in the PL today.

[boatshed bill]

Chris Wood who started, and scored, for a team second in the PL today.

penalty.

[Swizzlestick]

I forgot they don’t count as scoring.

[boatshed bill]

I forgot they don’t count as scoring.

It counts, but says nothing about his performances as a PL striker.

[bobinho]

Chris Wood who started, and scored, for a team second in the PL today.

Bloody hell!!!

He scored a penalty, not from open play! Even Harry Ka..... oh, hang on...

I'm sure you believe your argument has legs, but deep down you must KNOW it doesn't. It's weak mate, really it is. And he didnt start for a team in second today. Second now, but not when he started.

What about the rest of the season? How's he done? What about last season? How many PL goals last season? See? I'm sure you do....

[Swizzlestick]

It counts, but says nothing about his performances as a PL striker.

Well he was part of a team that won 3 zip away from home which suggests he’s doing alright.

[Swizzlestick]

Bloody hell!!!

He scored a penalty, not from open play! Even Harry Ka..... oh, hang on...

I'm sure you believe your argument has legs, but deep down you must KNOW it doesn't. It's weak mate, really it is. And he didnt start for a team in second today. Second now, but not when he started.

What about the rest of the season? How's he done? What about last season? How many PL goals last season? See? I'm sure you do....

No idea why you’ve responded in such a bizarre manner to what, to me, is a pretty factual and to the point post.

Is he a starter? No. Did he start today and score? Yes. He must be contributing in other areas (you know, like he did for us) in order for his team to win to nil or it really was a hell of a performance by the Magpies to be carrying such an ineffective player. Howe certainly trusts him to step up in the PL and looks to me like he has done.

And sorry yes, they were languishing in third before today’s game.

[bobinho]

Forgot the laughing emojis after my `bloody hell` exclamation! No offence intended...

Where was Wilson today? Out injured/sick, and if he hadn't been then CW would've spent the day doing what he normally does. And he does that for a very good reason.

[Swizzlestick]

And fwiw, Wood was poor in the last season with us and we did well to get the fee we did, but I don’t really understand the hilarity towards a player who was very good for us on the whole.

[TheFamilyCat]

Chris Wood and Dwight McNeil are both playing for Premier League clubs. That is all I stated.

And my response was to a post about Dyche's PL team v Kompany's Championship side (SD'd side over the last few seasons btw, not just last season's **** show). I was arguing that it was a pointless comparison because to the players (those mentioned) would be more of an influential factor than the manager.

[boatshed bill]

i don't get the obsession with our ex-players.
Can you explain it, Swizzlestick?

[Swizzlestick]

Forgot the laughing emojis after my `bloody hell` exclamation! No offence intended...

Where was Wilson today? Out injured/sick, and if he hadn't been then CW would've spent the day doing what he normally does. And he does that for a very good reason.

Ha, it’s reyt, no worries. Dunno tbh, possibly had yet another knock. Not sure about Isak either. Wood probably wouldn’t work in our system but he’s an honest player who contributed a lot for us.

[Swizzlestick]

i don't get the obsession with our ex-players.
Can you explain it, Swizzlestick?

I don’t think there’s an obsession? More a natural interest in how players who used to play for us are getting on and it’s interesting to compare the two pretty radically different styles of play between Dyche and VK and who would fit where. This sea change in style in such a short period of time doesn’t happen often. Ditto with Dyche himself - I get folk getting bored of the mentions of him, but it’s entirely unnatural not to discuss his legacy here and where he might end up next.

[No Ney Never]

After 23 games, VK's Championship squad is doing better than either of SD's.

Championship 22/23
P23 GD22 PTS 47 1st

Championship 15/16
P23 GD 7 PTS 38. 5th

Championship 13/14
P23 GD17 PTS 44 3rd

[BurnleyFC]

This season’s team beats last season’s team, in my opinion.

[Lowbankclaret]

With Pope, Mee, Tarkowski, McNeil and Wood who are all still playing in the Premier League. Pointless comparison.

The OP asked.

Trying to look at this team managed by both managers is even more pointless as SD would not have bought 90% of them.

[Colburn_Claret]

Some people are barmy if they think that VK is naive.
He knows we are a work in process, and is happy to take any blows that we might get, as long as the team is learning.
It's a risk process alien to everything SD stood for, and that's not meant as a criticism, just a fact.
Comparing VK and SD is pointless, 2 different jobs, at 2 different times. VK is a breath of fresh air, but the club will always be grateful to SD and the miracles he performed.