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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 7:50 pm

aggi wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 7:35 pm
Not bad for a one-footed, championship level footballer who doesn't put the effort in
If you think the effort he put in tonight matches the effort he put in for us you are mistaken

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Re: Dwight

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 08, 2023 7:55 pm

Oh goody, more s**t takes from people who won't admit they are wrong

McNeil is, was and will be a seriously good premier league player

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Re: Dwight

Post by Paul Waine » Mon May 08, 2023 7:56 pm

Foshiznik wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 7:41 pm
What a performance from him this evening. 2 goals and an assist and unlucky not to get more.
Why do the stats not give credit for "in off" the goalkeeper? Two goals, one assist and one "forced error" resulting in an own goal?

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Re: Dwight

Post by aggi » Mon May 08, 2023 7:56 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 7:50 pm
If you think the effort he put in tonight matches the effort he put in for us you are mistaken
To repeat my previous comment

I think a lot of people underestimate just how much McNeil did for us defensively.

Last season he was second in pressures and pretty high up in blocks, tackles and interceptions for us. For someone who was viewed as a creative player he got through a lot of defensive work.
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Re: Dwight

Post by KRBFC » Mon May 08, 2023 7:56 pm

I liked McNeil, always thought we were over reliant on him but this nonsense bumping a topic after 1 good game is cringe, shows how stupid and fickle football fans are, one great game and you’re an amazing player, one shocker and he’s crap.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon May 08, 2023 8:01 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 7:56 pm
I liked McNeil, always thought we were over reliant on him but this nonsense bumping a topic after 1 good game is cringe, shows how stupid and fickle football fans are, one great game and you’re an amazing player, one shocker and he’s crap.
He’s got 13 goal contributions in 33 games this season.

He also there top goal scorer.

Not exactly just one good game. He’s there player of the season and the reason they are going to stay up.
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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 8:04 pm

aggi wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 7:56 pm
To repeat my previous comment

I think a lot of people underestimate just how much McNeil did for us defensively.

Last season he was second in pressures and pretty high up in blocks, tackles and interceptions for us. For someone who was viewed as a creative player he got through a lot of defensive work.
He ambled around half the time so you can quote whatever stats you want , they mean nothing. No way was his performance tonight comparable with his performances last season for us

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Re: Dwight

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon May 08, 2023 8:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 7:56 pm
I liked McNeil, always thought we were over reliant on him but this nonsense bumping a topic after 1 good game is cringe, shows how stupid and fickle football fans are, one great game and you’re an amazing player, one shocker and he’s crap.
I will be made up if our wingers get 6 goals and 6 assists each next season.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Pickles » Mon May 08, 2023 8:11 pm

I said he was crap last season, because he was. Properly bad. This season, especially since Dyche went there, he's been excellent. Looks quicker and stronger.

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Re: Dwight

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 08, 2023 8:20 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 7:50 pm
If you think the effort he put in tonight matches the effort he put in for us you are mistaken
You'd be the mistaken one to claim he didn't put in similar efforts here.

His stats showed how hard he worked defensively, interceptions, tracking back etc whilst also being one of our main outlets.

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Re: Dwight

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Re: Dwight

Post by willsclarets » Mon May 08, 2023 8:23 pm

I never saw a lack of effort from dwight, just a young man with shot confidence and a lot of weight on his shoulders
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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 8:33 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:20 pm
You'd be the mistaken one to claim he didn't put in similar efforts here.

His stats showed how hard he worked defensively, interceptions, tracking back etc whilst also being one of our main outlets.
Stats are for people with little else to do. Isaak for Newcastle beat half a dozen players on a mazy run that tore the opposition defence apart but was denied an assist on the stats because his final pass brushed a defender’s leg before his teammate put it in the net.
I’ll believe my eyes , others can believe the stats.
Personally for anyone who went on the Turf last season and saw the half hearted performances from O’Neil and still says his performance tonight wasn’t any different I’d suggest getting glasses

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Re: Dwight

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon May 08, 2023 8:39 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:33 pm
Stats are for people with little else to do. Isaak for Newcastle beat half a dozen players on a mazy run that tore the opposition defence apart but was denied an assist on the stats because his final pass brushed a defender’s leg before his teammate put it in the net.
I’ll believe my eyes , others can believe the stats.
Personally for anyone who went on the Turf last season and saw the half hearted performances from O’Neil and still says his performance tonight wasn’t any different I’d suggest getting glasses
Some people are absolutely brainwashed with stats which often don't tell the full story.

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Re: Dwight

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 08, 2023 8:43 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:33 pm
Stats are for people with little else to do. Isaak for Newcastle beat half a dozen players on a mazy run that tore the opposition defence apart but was denied an assist on the stats because his final pass brushed a defender’s leg before his teammate put it in the net.
I’ll believe my eyes , others can believe the stats.
Personally for anyone who went on the Turf last season and saw the half hearted performances from O’Neil and still says his performance tonight wasn’t any different I’d suggest getting glasses
Last season yes, he was a shadow of himself, but are you going to tell me that you'll ignore his previous seasons?

Not much else to discuss then if those are the parameters.

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Re: Dwight

Post by claretspice » Mon May 08, 2023 8:47 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:39 pm
Some people are absolutely brainwashed with stats which often don't tell the full story.
Or alternatively, People won't accept the objective evidence and prefer their own subjective perspective.
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Re: Dwight

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon May 08, 2023 8:49 pm

claretspice wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:47 pm
Or alternatively, People won't accept the objective evidence and prefer their own subjective perspective.
The eyes have been around since the beginning of time can the stats stand up to that same testament.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 8:51 pm

No I won’t GIAD ,I thought he had the energy and desire like tonight when he first came into the team. I don’t know what happened but he didn’t do himself or the team justice last season or part of the season before.
He was truly excellent tonight

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Re: Dwight

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 08, 2023 8:52 pm

I'd have thought it would be impossible to be as wrong about everything as some posters are

Its certainly a rare talent

Course, it does say rather lot about someone if they ignore stats (ie evidence)

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Re: Dwight

Post by Belgianclaret » Mon May 08, 2023 8:53 pm

Can’t understand the animosity against Dwight.
Great down to earth lad, never showed a lack of commitment for us and sold at a good price. What more do you some of you want? 🙄
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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 8:54 pm

claretspice wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:47 pm
Or alternatively, People won't accept the objective evidence and prefer their own subjective perspective.
It’s hardly objective or do you think it was right to remove Isaak’s assist from the stats.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Big Vinny K » Mon May 08, 2023 8:55 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:33 pm
Stats are for people with little else to do. Isaak for Newcastle beat half a dozen players on a mazy run that tore the opposition defence apart but was denied an assist on the stats because his final pass brushed a defender’s leg before his teammate put it in the net.
I’ll believe my eyes , others can believe the stats.
Personally for anyone who went on the Turf last season and saw the half hearted performances from O’Neil and still says his performance tonight wasn’t any different I’d suggest getting glasses
If your eyes are that good why can’t you even get his name correct ?
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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 8:55 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:52 pm
I'd have thought it would be impossible to be as wrong about everything as some posters are

Its certainly a rare talent

Course, it does say rather lot about someone if they ignore stats (ie evidence)
Surely that’s because you always think you are right

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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 8:57 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:55 pm
If your eyes are that good why can’t you even get his name correct ?
Who did you think I was talking about bigvinny?

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Re: Dwight

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon May 08, 2023 8:58 pm

Dig in Liz!

Don't let anyone bother you with this evidence malarky

You saw it

THAT IS ALL YOU NEED

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Re: Dwight

Post by claretspice » Mon May 08, 2023 8:59 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:54 pm
It’s hardly objective or do you think it was right to remove Isaak’s assist from the stats.
Some stats are more useful than others, agreed. The point about the fact that Assists can undervalue a player's contribution is certainly relevant to a discussion about McNeil's contribution to Burnley last season, and your example of Isak is a good one.

But dismissing evidence out of hand in favour of unsubstantiated opinion - that's a different ball game.

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Re: Dwight

Post by MrTopTier » Mon May 08, 2023 9:02 pm

Last season he was Bobbins.
Season before very good.
Started this season under Lampard was bobbins.
Since January and under Dyche excellent.

Stick with it Elizabeth. I got your back.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Dodobdobodobo » Mon May 08, 2023 9:05 pm

In Dwight’s last season or so why did Sean turn him into a secondary full back by nullifying his runs forward by having him concentrate on defending which totally crushed his confidence. This season though since Sean arrived as manager why as he had him doing what he does best again, carrying the ball forward and taking his man on which has lifted his game to the level we know he can play at.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 9:06 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:58 pm
Dig in Liz!

Don't let anyone bother you with this evidence malarky

You saw it

THAT IS ALL YOU NEED
You were once described as the most humourless poster on this board.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 9:09 pm

MrTopTier wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 9:02 pm
Last season he was Bobbins.
Season before very good.
Started this season under Lampard was bobbins.
Since January and under Dyche excellent.

Stick with it Elizabeth. I got your back.
It's ok TT, I've made my point about McNeil and personal insults reflect on those posters not me . Why they can't simply just disagree I don't know.
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Re: Dwight

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon May 08, 2023 9:12 pm

He’s very much a confidence player. Like Rashford at Man United, it was wrong to write him off when he was going through an unproductive spell.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Elizabeth » Mon May 08, 2023 9:12 pm

claretspice wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:59 pm
Some stats are more useful than others, agreed. The point about the fact that Assists can undervalue a player's contribution is certainly relevant to a discussion about McNeil's contribution to Burnley last season, and your example of Isak is a good one.

But dismissing evidence out of hand in favour of unsubstantiated opinion - that's a different ball game.
But that's the point Spice, if they can get it so wrong about something as important as an assist how can other less useful stats be taken seriously.
If you see a forward scoring and a player who should be marking him lagging behind him in the penalty box that surely should be enough to tell you that player is not doing enough. That was McNeil on more than one occasion last season

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Re: Dwight

Post by CoolClaret » Mon May 08, 2023 9:18 pm

Played really well today - still not a massive fan of his and I don't think he'd suit our current system

He's a traditional wide midfielder rather than a sort of out and out winger but on his day can be effective.

Needs to be a bit more consistent, bit of an ott response on ere asthough he's the second coming of Bale or something

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Re: Dwight

Post by Enola Gay » Mon May 08, 2023 9:19 pm

Last season's problem with McNeil had absolutely nothing to do with effort, and everything to do with him looking as poor as everyone else did in a season's worth of utterly dreadful team performances.

Unfortunately him having been good in the past made his decline stand out sharper against the general malaise that had been hanging over us for a season or so beforehand.

Anyone good enough to have stood out as genuinely good for us last season would have been too good to be playing for us. Hence they few who fit that category pretty much all stayed in the Premier League.
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Re: Dwight

Post by boatshed bill » Mon May 08, 2023 9:22 pm

Crikey>
McNeil wasn't brilliant in a poor Burnley team.
A fresh challenge and in one game he does very well.

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Re: Dwight

Post by jrgbfc » Mon May 08, 2023 9:32 pm

Enola Gay wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 9:19 pm
Last season's problem with McNeil had absolutely nothing to do with effort, and everything to do with him looking as poor as everyone else did in a season's worth of utterly dreadful team performances.

Unfortunately him having been good in the past made his decline stand out sharper against the general malaise that had been hanging over us for a season or so beforehand.

Anyone good enough to have stood out as genuinely good for us last season would have been too good to be playing for us. Hence they few who fit that category pretty much all stayed in the Premier League.
Also we'd become so over reliant on him creating something some of our fans expected him to win the game for us every week.
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Re: Dwight

Post by Cooclaret » Mon May 08, 2023 10:28 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 9:12 pm
He’s very much a confidence player. Like Rashford at Man United, it was wrong to write him off when he was going through an unproductive spell.
Dwight, works hard no matter what. Goals and assists are a bonus.

Rashford offers absolutely nothing to United and England if he’s not scoring goals. A left winger with his work rate is laughable.

I think Dwight is a bang average footballer with a solid left foot.

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Re: Dwight

Post by chekhov » Mon May 08, 2023 10:39 pm

I enjoyed watching his two excellent goals on the highlights.
Love the all too rare sight of a footballer celebrating a goal before he puts it in the net!
Really hoping Dyche manages to keep them up. The signs are promising after today.
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Re: Dwight

Post by COBBLE » Mon May 08, 2023 10:51 pm

Dwight and Tom were the catalyst that started our recovery with the West Ham game. I have always rated him but thought in recent times he had been found out and did his 'Dwight turns' running backwards, so predictable and comic. So was last season his fault or the fault of the system he was expected to perform in?. What does this second attempt under Sean tell us?

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Re: Dwight

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue May 09, 2023 12:02 am

What Dwight needed was failure, useful to all of us. He must have realised that working hard isn’t enough, he seems to have added 20% this season.

Super player, we got decent money so it is a win win. Very happy for him and for Dyche (not for Everton but one cannot have everything).

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Re: Dwight

Post by aggi » Tue May 09, 2023 12:04 am

chekhov wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 10:39 pm
I enjoyed watching his two excellent goals on the highlights.
Love the all too rare sight of a footballer celebrating a goal before he puts it in the net!
Really hoping Dyche manages to keep them up. The signs are promising after today.
Very disappointed he didn't hammer it in from one yard or get down on his knees and head it in.

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Re: Dwight

Post by aggi » Tue May 09, 2023 12:09 am

KRBFC wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 7:56 pm
I liked McNeil, always thought we were over reliant on him but this nonsense bumping a topic after 1 good game is cringe, shows how stupid and fickle football fans are, one great game and you’re an amazing player, one shocker and he’s crap.
It's not really been one good game. He's played well for most of the season (and was one of our better players for multiple seasons).

This thread is full of people writing him off on, I think, the basis that he didn't single-handedly keep us up. I assume they'd watched him for multiple seasons and still thought he was a one-footed, championship level footballer who doesn't put the effort in which is the weird part

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Re: Dwight

Post by Benson » Tue May 09, 2023 12:26 am

Great player Dwight
Massively underrated on here.

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Re: Dwight

Post by elwaclaret » Tue May 09, 2023 12:38 am

He was a player feeling the pressure last season. He had a rough start at Everton and was getting stick… a bit like he got here from fans only to keen to blast him. He’s come back strong; but unlike here where Dyche became an added weight, at Everton he has taken the pressure off. The system allows for Dwight to switch off out of possession a bit less obviously than it was here when teams were looking to exploit his lack of defensive awareness. He’s done brilliantly and may well be this seasons saviour for Everton.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Dano1bfc » Tue May 09, 2023 12:41 am

Deary me.

Today, the day we lift the trophy somebody decides to insult a former players effort. A former player who was pivotal to an exceptional period in the clubs history.

Disgrace, and an insult to the lad, why his character is in question is frankly ridiculous. I might also add, as is the rubbish spouted about Dyche’s tenure and style of football under very testing constraints.

WE QUALIFIED FOR EUROPE WITH THIS PERSONNEL.

Fickle fans at best.

Learn to enjoy the good times, we are on a high. Few and far between in this game.

That is all.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 09, 2023 3:12 am

Belgianclaret wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:53 pm
Can’t understand the animosity against Dwight.
Great down to earth lad, never showed a lack of commitment for us and sold at a good price. What more do you some of you want? 🙄
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Re: Dwight

Post by Quicknick » Tue May 09, 2023 3:40 am

Just seen the Everton highlights. Two brilliant goals for Dwight.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Clive 1960 » Tue May 09, 2023 6:39 am

Pity he couldn't pull is finger out for us because at times you could tell with is body language he wasn't giving a toss , yes he is a decent player but not world class.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue May 09, 2023 7:24 am

I'm just glad fans haven't gone after Zaroury like they did McNeil.
Another youngster who hasn't been at his best for over half a season.

It's almost like young ones can be inconsistent.

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Re: Dwight

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue May 09, 2023 7:29 am

Dano1bfc wrote:
Tue May 09, 2023 12:41 am
Deary me.

Today, the day we lift the trophy somebody decides to insult a former players effort. A former player who was pivotal to an exceptional period in the clubs history.

Disgrace, and an insult to the lad, why his character is in question is frankly ridiculous. I might also add, as is the rubbish spouted about Dyche’s tenure and style of football under very testing constraints.

WE QUALIFIED FOR EUROPE WITH THIS PERSONNEL.

Fickle fans at best.

Learn to enjoy the good times, we are on a high. Few and far between in this game.

That is all.

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