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Jack Cork

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:58 pm

Imagine he was pulled as on his tenth Yellow and wanted to avoid a sending off. Does he miss WBA and PNE or WBA and the tractor boys Ipswich in the cup.
My understanding is yellows are competition specific so he misses the two league games.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Bosscat » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:06 pm

WBA and Tractor Boys I think

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:10 pm

It was another very stupid tackle from our captain and tried a2 footer earlier(on the edge of our box) bout fortunately missed man and ball.
Too many unnecessary rash challenges recently (IMO)

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by fanzone » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:12 pm

Player of the season so far for me. Absolute machine in the middle of the park
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by DCWat » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:15 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:10 pm
It was another very stupid tackle from our captain and tried a2 footer earlier(on the edge of our box) bout fortunately missed man and ball.
Too many unnecessary rash challenges recently (IMO)
We were saying this before and after the game, today. He’s having a fine season, aside from too many unnecessary bookings. Tactical yellows I can understand, less so the silly ones. The one today was far from the silliest he’s had this season - more a pointless attempt at a challenge that it was obvious he couldn’t make.

Disappointing to lose him for the West Brom game - he’s been superb this season.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:19 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:15 pm
We were saying this before and after the game, today. He’s having a fine season, aside from too many unnecessary bookings. Tactical yellows I can understand, less so the silly ones. The one today was far from the silliest he’s had this season - more a pointless attempt at a challenge that it was obvious he couldn’t make.

Disappointing to lose him for the West Brom game - he’s been superb this season.
I think you’ve just got to accept due to his age he has lost his sharpness in those situations, personally I’d accept it as one of those things because he’s still the most intelligent footballer at the club in my opinion
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by DCWat » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:20 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:19 pm
I think you’ve just got to accept due to his age he has lost his sharpness in those situations, personally I’d accept it as one of those things because he’s still the most intelligent footballer at the club in my opinion
I don’t disagree - I’ve long seen Cork as our most intelligent footballer.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Stayingup » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:23 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:10 pm
It was another very stupid tackle from our captain and tried a2 footer earlier(on the edge of our box) bout fortunately missed man and ball.
Too many unnecessary rash challenges recently (IMO)
Too slow to make these now. Today was a shocker as he actually really missed the guy.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:47 pm

He missed WBA and Ipswich

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Carwin261 » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:49 pm

Think it’s worked out well as he only misses one championship game.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by claretburns » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm

We will suffer losing THB and Cork from the WBA game, their link up from defence to midfield and their passing range is crucial to how we play.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:58 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:47 pm
He missed WBA and Ipswich
did we win ? :D
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:00 pm

I do think he misses the next two EFL games not one FA Cup match and WBA

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by whiffa » Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:53 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:00 pm
I do think he misses the next two EFL games not one FA Cup match and WBA
Birdy on Clarets comms' definitely said the 2 game ban includes the Ipswich game - so only the one league game.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by martin_p » Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:56 pm

I suspect getting booked today wasn’t the worst thing given the cup match is one his misses.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:00 pm

Looks good against any team that defends deep
But a team that presses high shows him up for his lack of pace - hence his number of silly yellow cards
Same for Cullen
They will get found out next season in the Premier League

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by 4midable » Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:03 pm

I have 20 quid on him being carded every game

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by whiffa » Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:10 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:00 pm
Looks good against any team that defends deep
But a team that presses high shows him up for his lack of pace - hence his number of silly yellow cards
Same for Cullen
They will get found out next season in the Premier League
Nothing like optimism, that's the spirit!

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:10 pm

At least he will get a couple of weeks rest.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:07 pm

We looked miles better second half without him and whilst him Cullen and Brownhill are my starting three there's a real case for sacrificing Cork to be a bit more attacking.

Longer term I can see where maybe Twine comes in and Cullen and Brownhill form the base of our midfield.

If Cork plays that second half today IMO we dont win
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by claretandy » Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:53 am

He could end up getting to 15 booking and a 3 game ban, I can't remember us ever doing this.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:03 am

Silly yellow but I wouldn't want to change the way JC plays. IMO far and away our best player this season and he will be sadly missed for the WBA game especially. I'd be inclined to move Brownhill into that role in his absence and play the influential JBG wide left or right.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:22 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:07 pm
We looked miles better second half without him and whilst him Cullen and Brownhill are my starting three there's a real case for sacrificing Cork to be a bit more attacking.

Longer term I can see where maybe Twine comes in and Cullen and Brownhill form the base of our midfield.

If Cork plays that second half today IMO we dont win
Brownhill is much better playing in the deeper role. I don't think he's technically good enough to play the "number 10" position.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:46 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:07 pm
We looked miles better second half without him and whilst him Cullen and Brownhill are my starting three there's a real case for sacrificing Cork to be a bit more attacking.

Longer term I can see where maybe Twine comes in and Cullen and Brownhill form the base of our midfield.

If Cork plays that second half today IMO we dont win
We also looked very good at Bournemouth with the Cullen/Brownhill pivot. Good options to have.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by taio » Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:49 am

We looked miles better second half for different reasons than Cork not playing. The idea that we wouldn't have won the game with him is laughable.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:56 am

The reasons behind looking better without Cork are most probably all based around having a teller card after 10 minutes, restricting a lot of his natural grittiness in a first half that required a lot of that kind of work against an opponent who had some decent players . Good move to take him off , but he’s been excellent this season, can’t say otherwise .

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:58 am

He’s arguably been our best player this season.
JBG played really well when he came on but he could have replaced Cullen or Brownhill and had the same impact.

Our second half performances show that most opposition teams are out on their feet the last 25 minutes. Jack Cork is usually on the pitch at this point and there is nothing to suggest yesterday would have been any different.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by alwaysaclaret » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:07 am

claretandy wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:53 am
He could end up getting to 15 booking and a 3 game ban, I can't remember us ever doing this.
Main reason being that we don't have a like for like change for him, in arguably the most high intensity area of the pitch where telling tackles go in, we need to find one so that we can give him a game off now and then and let his replacement take a booking or 2. Think bastien was brought in for this, but not quite at the level Cork is at, but who knows given game time.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:30 am

Jack's yellows are just part of VKs game plan. City are always giving away cheap free kicks in order to stifle any counters. Jack is just getting punished a lot harsher than City players do, for the same gamesmanship.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:39 am

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:07 am
Main reason being that we don't have a like for like change for him, in arguably the most high intensity area of the pitch where telling tackles go in, we need to find one so that we can give him a game off now and then and let his replacement take a booking or 2. Think bastien was brought in for this, but not quite at the level Cork is at, but who knows given game time.
Fernandinho got booked nearly every game he played.
It’s part of the strategy.
If you press so hard and so high and you are pushing your full backs so far forward and one of your centre backs may have also come past the half way line with the ball if this breaks down like it often will then the strategy is to bring down their player before they break / out number you.
Every player is under instruction to do this but for whatever reason it tended to be Fernandinho more than the other City players it seems like it’s Jack Cork for us.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by mdd2 » Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:22 pm

However, the changes this season will see yellow cards only counting in the competition they are received.

May be wrong but this came in in 19-20 season so I still think Jack misses WBA and Norwich games

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Foshiznik » Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:28 pm

So many argued that he shouldn’t be re-signed in the summer. I’m so glad VK is in charge and not those guys.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by D8BFC » Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:42 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:53 am
He could end up getting to 15 booking and a 3 game ban, I can't remember us ever doing this.
It’s right… he’ll just have to time it so that he misses the FA Cup semis 8-)

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by xxmunkyennuixx » Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:21 pm

We were roughed up a few times earlier this season. I think Cork recently has been more aggressive and combative than ever before. Some of the challenges have been properly old school. He's giving us a bit of fire and showing we won't be pushed around. I'm quite enjoying seeing him do it.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by mdd2 » Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:55 pm

martin_p wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:56 pm
I suspect getting booked today wasn’t the worst thing given the cup match is one his misses.
Still think he misses WBA and Norwich as yellow cards are competition specific or they were from 2019-20 season and think that change still stands

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by agreenwood » Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:34 am

Missed West Brom & Norwich according to club.

That’s a blow.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RVclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:37 am

At least the club know more than the club commentator.

It is a blow but gives a chance for someone else.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:40 am

Surprised at that, thought they included league and cup games

Oh well, gives someone else a chance

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jedi_master » Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:43 am

It’s a blow for sure, but Saturday and Bournemouth showed us we can drop Brownhill in there with Cullen and use the likes of JBG (or maybe even Twine?) very effectively as a ten.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by NewClaret » Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:44 am

agreenwood wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:34 am
Missed West Brom & Norwich according to club.

That’s a blow.
I thought suspensions carried over in to cup. Odd timing then. I’d have asked him to pick up his tenth a few games ago if that’s the case.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Carwin261 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:08 pm

So does that mean if he gets sent off against Ipswich,and we lose ,he won’t get a ban until the 3rd round next year?

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by agreenwood » Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:09 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:44 am
I thought suspensions carried over in to cup. Odd timing then. I’d have asked him to pick up his tenth a few games ago if that’s the case.
Me too, but that’s what the official Twitter account have tweeted.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Commy » Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:16 pm

Carwin261 wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:08 pm
So does that mean if he gets sent off against Ipswich,and we lose ,he won’t get a ban until the 3rd round next year?
Reds count in all competitions. At least he can stay match fit by playing against Ipswich :) .

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:32 pm

Jack was bound to be suspended sooner or later, not ideal timing given we face West Brom and Norwich in our next couple of league games, however VK does have options available, judging by how the 2nd half played out against Coventry we can cope without Cork for 2 games surely.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by tiger76 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:07 am

Jack made his 250th Burnley appearance last night when he came on for Zaroury.

One of our real stalwarts and an invaluable member of the squad not least as skipper.
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